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Post by PeterMac on 24.11.13 10:22

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/23/scotland-catholics-sex-abuse-allegations-bishops
A confidential file of letters from Scottish bishops detailing more than 20 secret abuse cases has been handed to police by a former safeguarding adviser to the Catholic church.
The intervention by Alan Draper, a former adviser to the Motherwell diocese, comes as the church attempts to draw a line under unfolding sex-abuse scandals by announcing a series of measures to be read at all masses this weekend on behalf of the Scottish bishops. However, describing the initiatives as a "charade", Draper says it is time for criminal investigations and an independent Scottish government inquiry into sexual abuse in the church.
The letters, dating back to 1995, include every Scottish diocese. One bishop, who describes abuse against "two severely mentally-handicapped young female adults", asks Draper to destroy his letter after reading it. Another refers to an abused child as a "young female parishioner". while a 15-year-old boy is described as "sexually mature".
A Catholic media spokesman, Peter Kearney, said the church would co-operate fully with the police, but added: "If someone has been in possession of material which they felt showed criminal behaviour, they would be expected to explain why they had taken 18 years to hand it to the authorities."
"The letters were given to me in confidence, and for a long time I respected that," explains Draper. "But the church has failed to reach out to victims and I have felt increasingly frustrated with their inability to manage the situation. It's a matter of public interest that the file be revealed."

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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by Mirage on 24.11.13 10:43

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/23/scotland-catholics-sex-abuse-allegations-bishops
A confidential file of letters from Scottish bishops detailing more than 20 secret abuse cases has been handed to police by a former safeguarding adviser to the Catholic church.
The intervention by Alan Draper, a former adviser to the Motherwell diocese, comes as the church attempts to draw a line under unfolding sex-abuse scandals by announcing a series of measures to be read at all masses this weekend on behalf of the Scottish bishops. However, describing the initiatives as a "charade", Draper says it is time for criminal investigations and an independent Scottish government inquiry into sexual abuse in the church.
The letters, dating back to 1995, include every Scottish diocese. One bishop, who describes abuse against "two severely mentally-handicapped young female adults", asks Draper to destroy his letter after reading it. Another refers to an abused child as a "young female parishioner". while a 15-year-old boy is described as "sexually mature".
A Catholic media spokesman, Peter Kearney, said the church would co-operate fully with the police, but added: "If someone has been in possession of material which they felt showed criminal behaviour, they would be expected to explain why they had taken 18 years to hand it to the authorities."
"The letters were given to me in confidence, and for a long time I respected that," explains Draper. "But the church has failed to reach out to victims and I have felt increasingly frustrated with their inability to manage the situation. It's a matter of public interest that the file be revealed."
Sadly, I don't think it is just the RC church that has betrayed the trust of millions. These perverts have installed themselves in every institution you can think of.

I've always likened the spread of child abuse to Japanese knotweed. The only consolation is that this weed is ultimately capable of toppling huge edifices. DV.

 Perhaps Draper is standing clear of falling masonry and icons.

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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by Rufus T on 24.11.13 21:28

Rather interesting article about the gentleman conducting the external part of the review.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/prison-chief-kirk-can-help-sex-offenders-back-to-society-1.911076
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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by aquila on 24.11.13 21:39

@Rufus T wrote:Rather interesting article about the gentleman conducting the external part of the review.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/prison-chief-kirk-can-help-sex-offenders-back-to-society-1.911076
A lovely little island as close to the frozen north of the planet as possible would be a good place to send paedophiles. No electricity, a couple of shovels, a bag of seeds, a survival kit and a Bible. Keep 'em busy with survival, keep 'em busy with contemplative thought, keep 'em busy - just don't keep 'em anywhere near kids.

The Kirk has lots of money - they could buy a little island and minister to these 'poor, misunderstood creatures' there....just check who gets on and off the ferry when the ministers travel and check their bags too.
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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by PeterMac on 24.11.13 22:54

@aquila wrote:A lovely little island as close to the frozen north of the planet as possible would be a good place to send paedophiles. No electricity, a couple of shovels, a bag of seeds, a survival kit and a Bible. Keep 'em busy with survival, keep 'em busy with contemplative thought, keep 'em busy - just don't keep 'em anywhere near kids.

The Kirk has lots of money - they could buy a little island and minister to these 'poor, misunderstood creatures' there....just check who gets on and off the ferry when the ministers travel and check their bags too.
Gruinard Island comes to mind. It was infected with Anthrax as a military experiment in the 1940s

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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by aquila on 24.11.13 23:09

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:A lovely little island as close to the frozen north of the planet as possible would be a good place to send paedophiles. No electricity, a couple of shovels, a bag of seeds, a survival kit and a Bible. Keep 'em busy with survival, keep 'em busy with contemplative thought, keep 'em busy - just don't keep 'em anywhere near kids.

The Kirk has lots of money - they could buy a little island and minister to these 'poor, misunderstood creatures' there....just check who gets on and off the ferry when the ministers travel and check their bags too.
Gruinard Island comes to mind.   It was infected with Anthrax as a military experiment in the 1940s
That'll do. Perhaps the Kirk can get their flock to build a cathedral there. Who knows a politician or two might even open it.
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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by tigger on 20.03.14 10:47

I just stumbled over this bit of information whilst looking for something else, don't know where to put it but seems this is the most recent connection of RC and paedophilia.

From rationalwiki:
Crimen sollicitationis was a 1962 decree issued by the Vatican that laid out the procedures for dealing with Roman Catholic priests who solicit sex from parish congregants during confession. It was also used as the instruction manual for investigating child sexual abuse by priests. This updated a similar decree issued in 1922.[1]
Written in Latin, the Crimen was sent to every diocese around the world, where it was locked away from all eyes except for those priests who were commissioned with investigating accusations of sexual abuse by priests. Instead of using the Crimen to punish and dismiss priests, diocese investigators used it to silence the accusers.[2] Section 11 of the Crimen required that all testimony given in such cases be sealed. Anyone caught discussing the testimony at these tribunals were to be excommunicated. This included the victims of the abuse and their parents, families and friends[citation needed].
Although the Vatican stopped enforcing the Crimen in 2001, many abuse victims are still afraid of being excommunicated if they discuss their cases. During the last 20 years that the Crimen was enforced, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger -- later Pope Benedict XVI -- was the edict's lead enforcer[citation needed].

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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by Tony Bennett on 20.03.14 19:15

@tigger wrote:I just stumbled over this bit of information whilst looking for something else, don't know where to put it but seems this is the most recent connection of RC and paedophilia.

From rationalwiki:
Crimen sollicitationis was a 1962 decree issued by the Vatican that laid out the procedures for dealing with Roman Catholic priests who solicit sex from parish congregants during confession. It was also used as the instruction manual for investigating child sexual abuse by priests. This updated a similar decree issued in 1922.[1]
Written in Latin, the Crimen was sent to every diocese around the world, where it was locked away from all eyes except for those priests who were commissioned with investigating accusations of sexual abuse by priests. Instead of using the Crimen to punish and dismiss priests, diocese investigators used it to silence the accusers.[2] Section 11 of the Crimen required that all testimony given in such cases be sealed. Anyone caught discussing the testimony at these tribunals were to be excommunicated. This included the victims of the abuse and their parents, families and friends[citation needed].
Although the Vatican stopped enforcing the Crimen in 2001, many abuse victims are still afraid of being excommunicated if they discuss their cases. During the last 20 years that the Crimen was enforced, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger -- later Pope Benedict XVI -- was the edict's lead enforcer[citation needed].
Some very great people have been excommunicated by the Popes.

Names of honour on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_excommunicated_by_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

...include:

Jan Hus (Czech Republic)
Martin Luther (Germany)
Queen Elizabeth I (England)
Archbishop Thomas Cranmer (England).

Jan Hus and Archbishop Cranmer were amongst those burnt at the stake for opposing the Pope and his evil doctrines.

Along with my ancestor on my mother's side, Joachim Andreas Schlick, who was beheaded in 1621 and his head stuck on a spike on the Charles Bridge, Prague, as a warning to others:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Andreas_von_Schlick [Google translation of German article into English]

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Re: And now the Church in Scotland

Post by Rufus T on 18.08.15 8:09

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33959446

The findings of a special commission set up to look into abuse within the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland are due to be published.
The church asked Dr Andrew McLellan to lead a review of how it handles allegations of abuse.
It took evidence from victims in a bid to improve support services and protect vulnerable children and adults.
Archbishop Philip Tartaglia will respond to the recommendations during a Mass in Glasgow.
Dr McLellan, a former moderator of the Church of Scotland, was tasked with coming up with proposals aimed at making the Catholic Church in Scotland "a safe place for all".
In March of last year, [size=16]he named 11 commissioners, including a senior police officer, a journalist and an MP, who would work alongside him.

Dr McLellan stressed the commission would not "investigate or adjudicate" on current or historical allegations.
Allegations of abuse have been made by former pupils at Fort Augustus Abbey
His review was announced following a series of scandals.
The Church faced allegations of abuse at the former Catholic boarding school at Fort Augustus Abbey in the Highlands.
The former leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, stepped down in February 2013 after admitting sexual misconduct.
Dr McLellan's review is part of a three-sectioned response by the church to allegations of sexual abuse.
The church said it would make public annual audits of all allegations received by the church and has, so far, published two.
It also said it would instigate a retrospective investigation of historic allegations, dating back to 1947 - with work continuing on that.
The church said any allegations uncovered as part of this, which had not been acted upon, would be passed to police for them to investigate.[/size]
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