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Post by Tony Bennett 09.11.13 23:24

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I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.

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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:32

Mirage wrote:I thought things couldn't get worse. How wrong was I. I am chilled to the bone reading all of this.
I hope to God someone is checking out all minors connected with these people. The police must know what we know, and more. Let us all hope and pray that they will do their duty by the public.
I could not countenance going near any of the sites mentioned as I would hate such images to be seared on my memory. I can only imagine how shocking they are.
Please do not go anywhere near the sites.  They are not for "normal human' consumption.
The police, both in Scotland and the Met - Grange - were made aware of this whole ghastly morass and cess-pit some time ago.
The PJ and GA now also know, so that they are aware of the full background details of the people they are dealing with.
The truth, the whole truth,and nothing but the truth, as it were.
Leaving no Stone Unturned, as it were.

What then happened is that the Scotsman article was published - about which I think no one on this forum had any idea, - and it was revealed that it was the SAME SCHOOL.
The senior school in a village of 1,300 people.  

Philomena, Madeleine's aunt, went on the school holiday with her husband Tony Rickwood - Madeleine's Uncle, and the other sister Trish Cameron, Madeleine's aunt to Turkey in 2007.

I cannot imagine that in the present climate, with the General Teaching Council of Scotland just about to strike the teacher concerned off the register,
that this latest revelation will not be of some passing interest to them.

As Oscar Wilde might have said
"To have one person connected with Ullapool High School taking indecent photgraphs may be regarded as a misfortune;
to have two . . . .
looks like carelessness."
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Post by Mirage 09.11.13 23:39

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.
Quite Tony. And call the concept old-fashioned but I challenge any decent person to come up with a better description, viz: we are engaged in a battle against real and operating forces of evil.

Anyone who sneers or knowingly turns from the truth of this situation and does nothing, must bear the guilt of the persecution and death of many more children. There will come a time when there will be no one of our generation around with this knowledge and this bloody-mindedness. So I suggest anyone casually looking in here, takes the time to digest what is being said by palpably well-informed and well-intentioned people and prepare themselves to take the baton from us and fight for the future safety of their own little ones.
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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:44

Put scopertonosol - The Honourable Tony Rickwood's pen name, into the anagram-finder and

Da Daah ! ! ! !

Coolest Pornos.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 23:45

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Smokeandmirrors wrote:Thanks Mirage.

It's not just this case is it? Everyday we have tales of the utmost depravity hitting the new stands. There have always been the occasional disappeared/found dead cases, and whilst utterly abhorrent, has probably happened for all recorded time. Now, however, the nature and frequency of all manner of hideous abhorrant cases seems to have escalated exponentially, from Victoria Climbie, Jamie Bulgar, Holly and Jessica, April, Tia, Baby P and all the little lost souls through to institutional mass rape and torture of innocents by the Catholic Church and the BBC, Elm House, Haute de la Gerraine  - it feels like this country is sinking in the mire of depravity.

And what do we get from the judiciary?

Child killers out after a few short years, cover ups and the perpetuation of child porn available on the web.

Our leaders support child porn unequivocally because the technology DOES exist to wipe it off the face of the web. Their inaction tells us two things.

a) They do NOT give a $h1t about our children's right to live a safe secure life
b) Only those with pedophile tastes or sympathies would allow it to continue.
Hi Smoke and Mirrors. You're welcome. Great post.

I feel stunned at the moment. We, as a society, are up against it.  I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback.

AFAIC there was a huge red flag in the 1970's with PIE when Harriet Harman was the solicitor at The National Council for Civil Liberties (later re-named Liberty). She, and others were vocal in support of PIE. For those unaware, PIE was Paedophile Information Exchange. I think you will find Patricia Hewett's name comes up in connection with this. Jack Dromey's also. He is Harriet Harman's husband, and was at the Council too. Jack Dromey is now a Labour MP. Patricia Hewett was Secretary of State for Health under the Blair administration.

Amongst other things, Harman was known to state that sometimes the investigation of incest cases could be more traumatic for the victim than the offence itself. You can easily access the history of this vile set up via Google. It was affiliated to the NCCL but I don't know for how long. There was another similar outfit named PAL, but I think that was subsumed by PIE.

The only mainstream article I ever read was last year sometime, when Melanie Philips wrote a Mail article about it. It beggars belief that the Harman woman is never challenged about her support of this vile set-up.

I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago. I believe there are recognised links between administrative areas of our society where this information exchange goes on as originally proposed. I think they floated the idea in plain sight and established the fundamentals back then. All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again. But it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again.

We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Agree 100% - the Harman / Hewett thing has been one of the things that has repulsed me more than most. To think these evil harridans got into a position of any authority is truly repugnant.

Yet out of all this hideousness, there is also growing in this country green shoots of a higher consciousness. There ARE those waking up to this disgusting network of perverts that operate at the very highest levels. OK, so some are getting derided as conspiracy theorists, but at least the word is getting out and it's spreading and these vile creatures in the seats of power are starting to realise their "glory days" are numbered. People are getting riled, and they are sharing their disgust and their numbers are growing.

As long as we, as [parents, grandparent etc do our utmost to educate our young as to the TRUTH of the evil scum that operate at the highest levels of authority, globally, we and they, have a chance.

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Post by Nereid 09.11.13 23:45

Apart from the deviance Scopertonosol displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!

Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like Scopertonosol's.

That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
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Post by Daisy 09.11.13 23:49

Tony Bennett wrote:
Mirage wrote:
I really believe these deviants have embedded themselves in society and have organised things just the way they want it with no comeback...I believe this stuff went underground over thirty years ago...All that we are currently seeing is the bold rise of this movement above the surface again....it is my belief that it has spread like Japanese knotweed through all echelons of society and like-minds know where to link up. They are now too powerful and numerous to rein in. And there's the insidious and deliberate sexualisation of children through things like advertising/clothing. I also think people like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus are pressured into sexualising their young fans too. Notice how X Factor regularly gets complaints about these acts going out before the watershed. They apologise then do exactly the same again. We are a very sick society, make no mistake.
Fully agreed - and with 'smokeandmirror's comments as well.

One only has to mention two words:

'Jimmy'

and

'Savile'...

...And recall how many senior policeman and libel lawyers worked together for five decades to keep him from being charged with any offences.
I'm in total agreement.

The 'movers & shakers' so called philanthropists that have attached themselves to this case worry me. These are just a few names that spring to mind that are hugely connected to child/youth organisations/Charities:

Jeremy Wilkins
Ed Smethurst
Michael Linnett
Brian Kennedy (Both of them)

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Post by Smokeandmirrors 09.11.13 23:50

Good point.

How many more revolting pervs are connected to this family?

Even their paid Sockpuppets on Twitter are grossly perverted in their comments.

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Post by PeterMac 09.11.13 23:51

Nereid wrote:Apart from the deviance TONY RICKWOOD, - Madeleine's Uncle displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!
Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like TONY RICKWOOD's - Madeleine's uncle's.
That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
Edited to add the truth of the matter. Forgive me.
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Post by Mirage 10.11.13 0:00

Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
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Post by Nereid 10.11.13 0:02

PeterMac wrote:
Nereid wrote:Apart from the deviance TONY RICKWOOD, - Madeleine's Uncle displayed, let's not forget the 'models' he used. They may be copyright free pictures (doubtful) of girls he found on the internet somewhere, but I doubt they were consenting and are most likely not even aware of what their images were used for. I'm sure the 'models' he uses are totally oblivious to this and would be shocked!
Can you imagine, you innocently put a picture of yourself or a family member somewhere on the internet. Next thing you know those images have been used for manipulated deviant images like TONY RICKWOOD's - Madeleine's uncle's.
That is also a form of abuse in my opinion.
Edited to add the truth of the matter. Forgive me.
Forgiven yes 

But if those 'models' ever find out what they were (ab)used for, I hope they manage to find very good legal representation!
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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 0:16

Mirage wrote:Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
They are.
Many years ago we had a big case involving videos of these types of activities.
They were hidden within apparently normal films.
This was the age of video, no search, very little fast forward,  . .
I had to select an officer to perform the task of running through hundreds of hours of stuff.
We talked at length about the implications, and the likely or possible psychological effects on him.
He did the job and gave the evidence in court.
And then underwent a long process of psychiatric rehabilitation.
I have the horrible feeling that he never really recovered.

If people choose to turn over stones, as someone else has said, they must accept what they find.

Start turning over the  Martin Ingram / Ullapool High / Philomena McCann / Tony Rickwood - stone, and you may find things you did not want to know about.
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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 0:19

Nereid wrote:
But if those 'models' ever find out what they were (ab)used for, I hope they manage to find very good legal representation!
But Carter-Ruck won't act for them. They are firmly committed to the other camp ! ! !

Aren't they Kevin ! !  Testing ,Testing.  1, 2 3
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Aren't they Kevin ! !  Testing ,Testing.  1, 2 3
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You're doing that the universal way: "testing, 1, 2, 3,"
The French, of course, have their own way: "un, un, un". For those, who don't speak French: this sounds like a sheep or maybe rather a donkey ... big grin 
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Post by Mirage 10.11.13 0:38

PeterMac wrote:
Mirage wrote:Thank you Peter for your very important warnings about looking at these sites. I firmly believe they are mind poison.
They are.
Many years ago we had a big case involving videos of these types of activities.
They were hidden within apparently normal films.
This was the age of video, no search, very little fast forward,  . .
I had to select an officer to perform the task of running through hundreds of hours of stuff.
We talked at length about the implications, and the likely or possible psychological effects on him.
He did the job and gave the evidence in court.
And then underwent a long process of psychiatric rehabilitation.
I have the horrible feeling that he never really recovered.

If people choose to turn over stones, as someone else has said, they must accept what they find.

Start turning over the  Martin Ingram / Ullapool High / Philomena McCann / Tony Rickwood - stone, and you may find things you did not want to know about.
I could not agree more, Peter.

I believe law enforcement agents tasked with trawling though downloads on seized computers should not be exposed to this work day in day out for the reasons you describe. There should be some rota system involved because the mind can quickly be de-sensitised by exposure to pernicious images. Perhaps, in the future, some computer software will be able to identify and grade these materials so as to prevent corruption or psychiatric illness ensuing.

Insofar as this case is concerned, I already feel burdened enough. It feels like a weight I drag around every day. I certainly don't want my mind encumbered any more than it already is.
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Post by selkie 10.11.13 2:09

Deviantart.com site is a popular free portfolio site for artists , crafts people and art photographers etc -it is not a porn site or a site that only has questionable imagery. The vast majority of portfolios on the site are normal artwork . I think all the artists , craftspeople and photographers i know have or had portfolios on deviantart, because its another free portfolio site and a place to show off artwork [ and people can buy prints, do comissions etc]

Nudity or adult themes have to be tagged as such.

You can read more about it here - including about the name [which i always thought was a stupid one]

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I was aware that there were some fetish images on the site- though i haven't looked for them, and no one i know does that sort of work so I haven't come across them that way.
I haven't looked at the quicksand 'art' or quicksand sites , so i don't know how he has done his manipulations
but in the comment below he use the word ''fakes'' to describe his pictures.
Why would he need to specify fakes, if he only posts photo manipulations....



Despite being very busy at work, I'm still managing to put a few new fakes out. I would like to thank everyone who supports my efforts and all feedback is much welcomed.


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Post by Hongkong Phooey 10.11.13 10:00

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MrsC wrote:I'm shocked. What on earth kind of people exist in this world?
Or another question could be 'What on earth kind of people existed in Maddie McCann's world?'

We have the Gaspars suggesting that Dr David Payne and Maddie's dad, Dr Gerry McCann, were having a paedophile conversation about her.

We have allegations that the McCanns are swingers.

We have Amaral suggesting that Dr David Payne bathed the McCann children.

We have a Fund director, Edward Smethurst, who is friends with 'Greg the Groomer' on Facebook.

We have a former arquido, Robert Murat, who had child porn on his computer and allegations that he tried to have sex with animals.

We have Gerry McCann with a file on a CATS system (child protection database) with a registration number 19309.

We have three year old Maddie McCann photographed in make up and various questionable poses.

Maddie who is missing, presumed dead, according the British sniffer dogs, Eddie and Keela.

And a massive cover up full of lies and fabrication of what really happened to this child.

And people wonder why we're still here? Really?

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Whilst I 100% agree with most if not all the posts on this thread we have went off a bit of a tangent and are considering the whole society we live in. There have been numerous examples over the years of politicians, judges, lawyers DOCTORS etc. (you name it there doesn't seem to be many boundaries) celebrities are now on the radar. If we now consider that a reasonably close relative has been 'outed' then added to admins excellent post there is some real pointers to why there is a pact of silence and all the help etc. the McCanns received. Al in my opinion of course.
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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 10:04

selkie wrote:Deviantart.com  site is a popular free portfolio site for artists , crafts people and art photographers etc -it is not a porn site or a site  that only has questionable imagery.  The vast majority of portfolios on the site are normal  artwork . I think all the artists , craftspeople and photographers i know have or had portfolios on deviantart, because its another free portfolio site and  a place to show off artwork [ and people can buy prints, do comissions   etc]
You may well be right.
My attention was drawn specifically to Rickwood's page and I am certainly not going to start turning over any other stones, for fear of finding what might be lurking there.
Luckily I believe you have to sign up for the other sites mentioned, so there is at least one level of protection.
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Post by ProfessorPPlum 10.11.13 10:31

This one is particularly disgusting - titled "Helpless woman drowning in politicians". Stomach-churning, shouldn't be allowed etc

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED 10.11.13 10:36

Outstanding find team. Another piece of the jigsaw fitting into place.

Well done.
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Post by tigger 10.11.13 10:41

Not entirely on topic but:

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It's just that i've associated thename with the nightingale because many poets used to call the nightingale Philiomena.  Not relevant although not a well chosen name imo.

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Shock horror auntie phils hubby has holiday home tarragona and is very interested in swamps and sinking sand


This is a very interesting bit of information 
," my wife and I have been restoring a nice spot close to Flix in Tarragona"


Just how far is tarragona from PDL ? 


Was there not a lot of miles on the hire car?
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Post by Guest 10.11.13 10:54

Trainer wrote: [...]

Just how far is tarragona from PDL ? 

Was there not a lot of miles on the hire car?
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ProfessorPPlum wrote:This one is particularly disgusting - titled "Helpless woman drowning in politicians". Stomach-churning, shouldn't be allowed etc

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Post by Lance De Boils 10.11.13 11:03

PeterMac wrote:I wonder if he was on the annual school trip to Turkey ?
In June 2007 Philomena had to leave PdL to return home, so that she could then go on holiday - which turned out to be a School trip.
It is likely that Rickwood went with them - why one does not ask - and it is certain that the other sister, Trish Cameron was there too - again one does not know why.
Cameras, photographers, photo-shoppers, adolescents, beaches, swimming, sunbathing, bikinis, discos, dancing,
Not for nothing are checks supposed to be done.
I wonder if they were ?
In the interests of accuracy:

I have not come across anything which suggests that the Turkey holiday was a school trip. If anyone else has, please could you let me know where that info comes from, as I've missed it.

Phil McCann did indeed go on a school trip in 2007, but that was to somewhere like the European Parliament.

The Turkey trip was a different one.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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Post by Rufus T 10.11.13 11:29

Just bringing this up - did we ever manage to confirm if the Turkey trip went ahead.

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Post by Nereid 10.11.13 11:35

Lance De Boils wrote:
In the interests of accuracy:

I have not come across anything which suggests that the Turkey holiday was a school trip. If anyone else has, please could you let me know where that info comes from, as I've missed it.

Phil McCann did indeed go on a school trip in 2007, but that was to somewhere like the European Parliament.

The Turkey trip was a different one.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

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There was a school trip to Turkey. On my way out now, but shall dig it out. PeterMac should have the info as well.
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Post by Lance De Boils 10.11.13 11:49

Nereid wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:
In the interests of accuracy:

I have not come across anything which suggests that the Turkey holiday was a school trip. If anyone else has, please could you let me know where that info comes from, as I've missed it.

Phil McCann did indeed go on a school trip in 2007, but that was to somewhere like the European Parliament.

The Turkey trip was a different one.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

smilie
There was a school trip to Turkey. On my way out now, but shall dig it out. PeterMac should have the info as well.
Just found this:
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SCHOOL TRIPS
School trips associated with the curriculum are available during the year, especially in the upper school, such as field trips, Young Enterprise visits, Duke of Edinburgh Award events and a careers convention. Longer excursions include an S2 Activities Week, a whole school activity week at the end of June and visits abroad. In recent years an Activities Week has been held at the end of the summer term for all year groups and in 2006 there was an S3 excursion to Paris and senior school trips to Turkey as part of this week in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.
So maybe it was a school trip.
With Mr. Rickwood going along too.

Which then begs the question: why were the Camerons going?

AND - a 5* all-inclusive resort for a school trip? Blimey. Our school trips were always 2* at best!
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Post by Daisy 10.11.13 11:51

Nereid wrote:
Lance De Boils wrote:
In the interests of accuracy:

I have not come across anything which suggests that the Turkey holiday was a school trip. If anyone else has, please could you let me know where that info comes from, as I've missed it.

Phil McCann did indeed go on a school trip in 2007, but that was to somewhere like the European Parliament.

The Turkey trip was a different one.

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

smilie
There was a school trip to Turkey. On my way out now, but shall dig it out. PeterMac should have the info as well.
Ullapool High School Prospectus 2013/14

SCHOOL TRIPs
School trips associated with the curriculum are available during the year, especially in the upper school, such as field trips, Young Enterprise visits, Duke of Edinburgh Award events and visit to universities . Longer excursions include an S2 Activities Week, a whole school activity week at the end of June and visits abroad. In recent years an Activities Week has been held at the end of the summer term for all year groups .Recent excursions have taken place to Turkey, Egypt, France, Spain and Holland

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Post by PeterMac 10.11.13 11:52

Also have a look in the earlier School Prospectus
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page 20, including a photo.  
The more recent version doesn't include the years of the visits.
( quote:  “senior school trips to Turkey as part of this week in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009”.)
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