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Post by PeterMac on 05.11.13 13:51

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Post by notlongnow on 05.11.13 13:59

Excellent,and sort of sums up the media.

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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 14:00

Good old Private Eye!
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Post by PeterMac on 05.11.13 14:10

Another nice one from the internet.

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Post by MRNOODLES on 05.11.13 14:12

You have to laugh.

One man's satirist is another man's troll eyebrows
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Post by Mirage on 05.11.13 14:15

@MRNOODLES wrote:You have to laugh.

One man's satirist is another man's troll eyebrows
Hah hah hah!

big grin big grin big grin big grin clapping

PS Don't start  me orf!!!

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 14:23

As long term readers can affirm, Private Eye have an impressive record of investigative journalism and no doubt they have more than one filing cabinet dedicated to the case of Madeleine McCann, the contents of which will be divulged as and when appropriate. 

In the meantime, tucked away at no.3 in a certain hack's recent tweets is an interesting little snippet pertinent to recent events:

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  1. Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 2h
    @MarkLewisLawyer agreed - comment was directed at lawyers' cynicism rather than their honesty - those I know can be as cynical as journos
     Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 3h
  2. @MarkLewisLawyer police inquiry is on-going - if family right it is going to be very hard to discover who had the 'suspect' mobile
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 3h
  3. @MarkLewisLawyer then no doubt Leveson will be satisfied we're covering all aspects of and twists in the story
     Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h
  4. Police now face trawl of murky drug underworld in bid to find who had phone night Madeleine #McCann vanished
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h
  5. Madeleine #McCann suspect's family say he regularly swapped/sold phones due to his drug habit - someone else may've had it day she vanished
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h
  6. Family of Madeleine #McCann suspect says mobile phone analysis placing him at scene can't be trusted
  7. Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton
    Family of Madeleine #McCann suspect say they know he's innocent and want police to prove it http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/349147/Our-boy-did-not-snatch-Madeleine-McCann-Family-of-junkie-suspect-speak-out …

It wouldn't do for any UK newspaper to be seen as being instrumental in influencing public opinion against the McCanns prior to the day when headlines such as 'Evil Duo Duped Pensioners/Schoolchildren/The World' roll off the presses.  winkwink
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Post by Mirage on 05.11.13 14:33

@ultimaThule wrote:As long term readers can affirm, Private Eye have an impressive record of investigative journalism and no doubt they have more than one filing cabinet dedicated to the case of Madeleine McCann, the contents of which will be divulged as and when appropriate. 

In the meantime, tucked away at no.3 in a certain hack's recent tweets is an interesting little snippet pertinent to recent events:

Tweets

  1. Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 2h
    @MarkLewisLawyer agreed - comment was directed at lawyers' cynicism rather than their honesty - those I know can be as cynical as journos
     Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 3h


  2. @MarkLewisLawyer police inquiry is on-going - if family right it is going to be very hard to discover who had the 'suspect' mobile
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 3h


  3. @MarkLewisLawyer then no doubt Leveson will be satisfied we're covering all aspects of and twists in the story
     Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h


  4. Police now face trawl of murky drug underworld in bid to find who had phone night Madeleine #McCann vanished
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h


  5. Madeleine #McCann suspect's family say he regularly swapped/sold phones due to his drug habit - someone else may've had it day she vanished
    Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 4h


  6. Family of Madeleine #McCann suspect says mobile phone analysis placing him at scene can't be trusted


  7. Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton
    Family of Madeleine #McCann suspect say they know he's innocent and want police to prove it http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/349147/Our-boy-did-not-snatch-Madeleine-McCann-Family-of-junkie-suspect-speak-out …



It wouldn't do for any UK newspaper to be seen as being instrumental in influencing public opinion against the McCanns prior to the day when headlines such as 'Evil Duo Duped Pensioners/Schoolchildren/The World' roll off the presses.  winkwink
That may well be so, but I'm wondering how that squares with traducing Monteiro's name in the press in an even worse way than Chris Jefferies' name was dragged through the mud. Surely this press behaviour was one of the biggest catalysts for Leveson alongside the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone?  Or doesn't Monteiro have the same rights as everyone else?

I think the least GM could do would be to make an official  press complaint about the treatment of this man, in his capacity as a Hacked Off member.

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Post by comperedna on 05.11.13 15:03

One can sympathize with 'Private Eye' for sitting on their hands till now over the McCanns. They are a small outfit and their funds have never been limitless. They have been Carter Rucked by many others till there is very little money left in their coffers. I am sure they have a wealth of information in their files that they feel they cannot use a ce moment. I wrote to them once in frustration that there was nothing in their pages... Their record for exposing scams and political nonsense is exemplary, however, they have to be even more prudentl than the tabloids and the broadsheets in this case.

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Post by PeterMac on 05.11.13 16:55

comperedna5 wrote:One can sympathize with 'Private Eye' for sitting on their hands till now over the McCanns. They are a small outfit and their funds have never been limitless. They have been Carter Rucked by many others till there is very little money left in their coffers. I am sure they have a wealth of information in their files that they feel they cannot use at this moment.. . .
And the judges, Eady and I believe Tugendhat, have theatened Ian Hislop with immediate imprisonment if he is ever found guilty of libel again.
But they have a lot of information, just waiting for the exact moment.

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 17:03

@Mirage wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:- snip -
It wouldn't do for any UK newspaper to be seen as being instrumental in influencing public opinion against the McCanns prior to the day when headlines such as 'Evil Duo Duped Pensioners/Schoolchildren/The World' roll off the presses.  winkwink
That may well be so, but I'm wondering how that squares with traducing Monteiro's name in the press in an even worse way than Chris Jefferies' name was dragged through the mud. Surely this press behaviour was one of the biggest catalysts for Leveson alongside the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone?  Or doesn't Monteiro have the same rights as everyone else?

I think the least GM could do would be to make an official  press complaint about the treatment of this man, in his capacity as a Hacked Off member.
This latest press coverage which traduces the name of a dead man is as disgraceful as it is unwarranted. 

Why certain publications have seen fit to publish the late Mr Monterio's name is beyond me and this act begs the question of whether they have been specifically instructed to do so by a party, or parties, unknown.

In any event, I expect to read fulsome apologies to the late Mr Monteiro and his family in the not too distant future and I trust these sentiments will be accompanied by equally fulsome cheques.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.11.13 17:07

@PeterMac wrote:Another nice one from the internet.
This one completely and utterly sums it up - excellent.

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Post by Okeydokey on 05.11.13 19:56

Private Eye has NEVER been critical of the McCanns. Hislop has only abuse for disbelievers. His ire is turned on the papers, not on Team McCann, despite the mountains of misleading statements. Where is the Private Eye satirical take on Clarence and his claim that a group of Brits when to dinner without mobiles and watches? Nowhere. Where is the outrage about the use of libel laws to silence free speech? Nowhere.

Hislop is a disgrace.

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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 20:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO1mKGaa890

Recent comments from Ian Hislop on press freedom.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.11.13 20:07

@Okeydokey wrote:Private Eye has NEVER been critical of the McCanns.

That's undoubtedly correct.

Hislop has only abuse for disbelievers.

I believe that is also true.

His ire is turned on the papers, not on Team McCann,

Again that's true.

Where is the Private Eye satirical take on Clarence and his claim that a group of Brits when to dinner without mobiles and watches? Nowhere.

THht's right as well.

Where is the outrage about the use of libel laws to silence free speech? Nowhere.

Private Eye has made no adverse reference to the McCanns' repeated recourse to libel lawyers.

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Post by Mirage on 05.11.13 20:34

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Mirage wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:- snip -
It wouldn't do for any UK newspaper to be seen as being instrumental in influencing public opinion against the McCanns prior to the day when headlines such as 'Evil Duo Duped Pensioners/Schoolchildren/The World' roll off the presses.  winkwink
That may well be so, but I'm wondering how that squares with traducing Monteiro's name in the press in an even worse way than Chris Jefferies' name was dragged through the mud. Surely this press behaviour was one of the biggest catalysts for Leveson alongside the hacking of Milly Dowler's phone?  Or doesn't Monteiro have the same rights as everyone else?

I think the least GM could do would be to make an official  press complaint about the treatment of this man, in his capacity as a Hacked Off member.
This latest press coverage which traduces the name of a dead man is as disgraceful as it is unwarranted. 

Why certain publications have seen fit to publish the late Mr Monterio's name is beyond me and this act begs the question of whether they have been specifically instructed to do so by a party, or parties, unknown.

In any event, I expect to read fulsome apologies to the late Mr Monteiro and his family in the not too distant future and I trust these sentiments will be accompanied by equally fulsome cheques.
Thanks for your reply UT. I'm not sure how any party or parties can "instruct" any newspaper to print scurrilous articles defaming any person, alive or dead in the post-Leveson era. This would surely be an incitement to break the precepts of the Royal Charter. It is true that newspapers have not yet signed up to the RC, nonetheless, this re-enactment of a Chris Jefferies situation is beyond what anyone could imagine after the huge pressure on newspapers to clean up their act. Considering that editors would presumably be wanting to showcase exemplary standards in this febrile atmosphere, it is totally out of kilter IMO to be publishing such stories.
Forgive me - because I am thinking out loud and trying to make sense of this. If any party or parties have the power to "instruct" newspapers to defame persons alive or dead, they cannot be without draconian societal influence. I am sure that in the denouement injured parties will be paid huge amounts of compensation but that is hardly the point at issue.
In the end, there are, demonstrably, powers behind the scenes - puppeteers if you like - who can transcend judicial recommendations. This, I'm afraid, is moving more and more into Machiavellian territory. In essence, you cannot destroy a family in Portugal in order to hide or reveal the truth, whichever the case proves to be.  Therefore, Jerry Lawton's tweet fills me more with foreboding than it does optimism.

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Post by Okeydokey on 06.11.13 0:43

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO1mKGaa890

Recent comments from Ian Hislop on press freedom.
Yep, not a word about the McCanns. He is also claiming we have a "free press".  But we know that the press have been Carter-Rucked into silence and anyone who speaks out against the McCanns risks serious career consequences.   

But what did Private Eye have to say about Eddie and Keela?  Well of course, they dissed the dogs.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/have-i-got-news-for-you-ian-hislop.html

You can have a legitimate argument about the dogs' abilities, but you can't pose as a protector of the free press and let the McCanns capture the free media without a word of protest.

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Post by Who?What?Where? on 07.11.13 0:28

"Yep, not a word about the McCanns. He is also claiming we have a "free press".  But we know that the press have been Carter-Rucked into silence and anyone who speaks out against the McCanns risks serious career consequences."

That is the conclusion that I have currently come to. People being forced to remain silent about what they know, for fear of the personal consequence's, or not wanting to derail the gravy train, that they believe, that they are riding. John Lydon seem's to have been told to remain silent over savile, approx 35 years ago. Only now is it surfacing.

Are the bullies, who have constantly tried try to silence these people, really, searching for  "The Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth", about the matter?

It doesn't look like it to me. There focus, is only upon themselves and their self preservation. Low level thinking, IMHO.

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Post by Okeydokey on 07.11.13 1:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:Private Eye has NEVER been critical of the McCanns.

That's undoubtedly correct.

Hislop has only abuse for disbelievers.

I believe that is also true.

His ire is turned on the papers, not on Team McCann,

Again that's true.

Where is the Private Eye satirical take on Clarence and his claim that a group of Brits when to dinner without mobiles and watches? Nowhere.

THht's right as well.

Where is the outrage about the use of libel laws to silence free speech? Nowhere.

Private Eye has made no adverse reference to the McCanns' repeated recourse to libel lawyers.
Well we're agreed on that Tony! - and I am sure that people will value your words as someone who has been at the sharp end of the attack on our free speech society by Team McCann, their allies* and their paid lackeys.


*Purely tactical allies - people like Hacked Off, or various "charities" who see some money to be made - I believe the McCanns long ago lost the genuine support of the British public.

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Post by plebgate on 09.11.13 21:24

I will put this here as I think Ian Hislop on last night's HIGNFY was funny at 16.20 on the clip.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03hc6l3/Have_I_Got_News_for_You_Series_46_Episode_6/

The presenter cut it off kinda quickly as he had been at the party. lol. 

Connections, connections.

Freud forgot Cameron was at his latest party.    Yeah.

Tony Blair was also there.

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Post by Guest on 09.11.13 21:51

@plebgate wrote:I [...] Freud forgot Cameron was at his latest party.    Yeah.

Tony Blair was also there.
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Post by unchained melody on 09.11.13 22:37

@Okeydokey wrote:Private Eye has NEVER been critical of the McCanns. Hislop has only abuse for disbelievers. His ire is turned on the papers, not on Team McCann, despite the mountains of misleading statements. Where is the Private Eye satirical take on Clarence and his claim that a group of Brits when to dinner without mobiles and watches? Nowhere. Where is the outrage about the use of libel laws to silence free speech? Nowhere.

Hislop is a disgrace.
He is odd and not to be trusted, despite his wit

ETA - If I was in his position to privy information, I would rise as a freeman and speak openly without fear
of imprisonment or the loss of an insignificant publication.

That's the problem with this case - people who know the info that can bring justice to M and the world are
too scared to speak because they fear what will happen to themselves. Yes, they would be persecuted at first but in the end they would be lauded as a great human being.

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Post by Daisy on 09.11.13 22:51

@unchained melody wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:Private Eye has NEVER been critical of the McCanns. Hislop has only abuse for disbelievers. His ire is turned on the papers, not on Team McCann, despite the mountains of misleading statements. Where is the Private Eye satirical take on Clarence and his claim that a group of Brits when to dinner without mobiles and watches? Nowhere. Where is the outrage about the use of libel laws to silence free speech? Nowhere.

Hislop is a disgrace.
He is odd and not to be trusted, despite his wit
Yeah, just more controlled opposition.

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 10.11.13 1:20

I noted he joked about Dr Shipman being there with Jimmy Saville. Maybe Im reading too much into things thumbsup

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Post by Mirage on 10.11.13 10:43

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:I noted he joked about Dr Shipman being there with Jimmy Saville. Maybe Im reading too much into things thumbsup
Easy laughs IMO. The world and his wife can talk/joke about Savile and Shipman with impunity. In fact, it's all the rage. They're dead and won't sue. That's why dead paedophiles are so useful to people like Hislop. It gives them the veneer of being on the side of justice.

Hislop is rightly aware of libel and slander. You see that on Have I Got News For You where he sometimes appears agitated if something iffy is said. He jokes about an edit, or whether it will pass the programme lawyers and casts a baleful eye at the audience.

 No one could blame him for being circumspect. Unfortunately, what I increasingly perceive is a crafty man who has carved a comfortable niche in broadcasting and doesn't want his particular boat rocked thank you very much. Just like the Esther Rantzens et al before him.

I remember the glory days of David Frost and Emil Savundra. Real pioneering broadcasting by DF, with its focus firmly on social justice.

Hislop is not in the same league. He is not a noble man IMO. He does not do what it says on the tin as far as Private Eye goes - and it goes nowhere near far enough to justify its satirical epithet.  Like so much quasi-anti-establishment pulp, the veneer is wearing thin.

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