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Post by PeterMac on 08.11.13 16:46

@aquila wrote:The one on the far right has an earring.
YES. That was the clue they missed. Ear-ring man

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Post by unchained melody on 08.11.13 17:26

@ultimaThule wrote:MW guests who wished to eat at the Tapas in the evening were required to book each day because, unlike the Millenium, it was a small establishment with a limited number of covers.   

The fact the McCanns and their pals were able to insist on overriding this rule and make a block booking for the entire week gives some indication of the entitlement the group as a whole exhibited, having no thought whatsoever for the other families with young children who were also accomodated close to this bar/restaurant.

I seem to recall reading something to the effect that this selfishness had been noted by some of those who weren't able to get a booking due to the group having, effectively, commandeered the Tapas restaurant night after night - if I'd been one of those deprived guests I'd have kicked off big-time. 

It's my belief that after the group's first night they had no intention of having any more evening meals at the Millenium but that, earlier in the week, they had planned to spend Thursday night sans their offspring dining in one of the town's restaurants and this plan had go by the board in order to act out the pantomime which took place at the Tapas on the night of 3 May 2007.

Fwiw, even if buggies were available to rent in the resort and had been pre-booked to be available on arrival, what parent would contemplate juggling 3 small children plus cases/hand luggage and hanging around an airport for a couple of hours with no guarantee the flight would leave on time without these essential items? 

Not to mention the small question of their having given the route they wheeled their carriages to the beach which is noted in one of the documents available at mccannfiles.com

There are lies, more lies, and damned lies; the McCanns have proved themselves to have a propensity for telling every kind of lie in their attempt to hide the truth.
Great post ultimaThule.

Were they all at the Tapas every night (excluding the first night)? I doubt that as on Tues & Wed there were big Champions League semi-finals with both games involving English teams. They kicked off at 8.00 pm. Surely the (sporty) gang would have been spread out over these two nights with those who wanted to watch the football at a local bar and those who didn't at the Tapas bar.

ETA Sorry, found a football thread and sorry for posting off topic

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Post by aquila on 08.11.13 17:27

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:The one on the far right has an earring.
YES. That was the clue they missed. Ear-ring man
If you don't occasionally smile at all of this you'll go bonkers.

As a UK Police Superintendent (albeit retired but matters not) I can understand how angry you must feel at this pantomime.

I want to thank you for all the hard work you've put in over these last few years and for your unceasing effort to never let go in finding justice for Madeleine McCann.

(not sure if it's ok to send flowers to a bloke but I'll do it anyway :roses:because you deserve it for your commitment)
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Post by PeterMac on 08.11.13 17:35

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:The one on the far right has an earring.
YES. That was the clue they missed. Ear-ring man
If you don't occasionally smile at all of this you'll go bonkers
As a UK Police Superintendent (albeit retired but matters not) I can understand how angry you must feel at this pantomime.
I want to thank you for all the hard work you've put in over these last few years and for your unceasing effort to never let go in finding justice for Madeleine McCann.
(not sure if it's ok to send flowers to a bloke but I'll do it anyway roses because you deserve it for your commitment)
Men like flowers too, they even grow them.
Hope you are OK, someone said you were a bit off colour.
Yes I am frustrated by the length of time it is all taking.  
But there are more things in the pipeline, reported to Grange and the PJ recently, which may bear fruit if they deal with it properly.
If they don't we can always complain.

Did you see they have recovered some bones from the sea in the South of France.  30 years old, and they have got DNA from them.
Forensic science gets better all the time.

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Post by Guest on 08.11.13 17:35

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:The one on the far right has an earring.
YES. That was the clue they missed. Ear-ring man
If you don't occasionally smile at all of this you'll go bonkers.

As a UK Police Superintendent (albeit retired but matters not) I can understand how angry you must feel at this pantomime.

I want to thank you for all the hard work you've put in over these last few years and for your unceasing effort to never let go in finding justice for Madeleine McCann.

(not sure if it's ok to send flowers to a bloke but I'll do it anyway :roses:because you deserve it for your commitment)
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Hear, hear!
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Post by russiandoll on 08.11.13 17:41

Am trying to find something I read yesterday in a Portuguese magazine, stating that the Monteiro lead was going down a blind alley. Will keep trying and post when I find it.

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Post by Tangledweb on 08.11.13 19:26

I try to imagine myself in their shoes: so after forgetting all my parenting skills, my common sense and leaving my brain cells at the airport, I see myself on holiday, with three very small children, with like-minded, educated friends with their small/er children.

I imagine leaving those kids, even though I am a reasonably well off doctor - rather than putting those kids in a creche or paying a few euros for a babysitter.  I then imagine a situation where we don't, any of us, in a child-friendly country, take our children out to an earlier dinner. Or, we don't all pile into one apartment, and eat a dinner together.  Or, we don't sort out a baby sitting rota between us so that we take it in turns to sit each other kids.  Or, we don't all have dinner in our apartments, and put the kids to bed and one from each apartment has drinks with others - then we alternate this arrangement the next night.

Then, with a huge leap of imagination,  I move on to leaving these small children, night after night; and nightmare scenario, one of them goes missing.  The one who had problems sleeping - the one who had admonished me the night before.    I imagine being that mother - I imagine knowing that I left the door unlocked.

I then imagine the nightmare, sheer panic, fear and shock coarsing through my veins.  I imagine screaming, searching frantically and calling the police and anyone who will listen to help me.  A policemen, after days of searching, tells me that my initial fear, that my child has woken up, looked for us and wandered off is unlikely.  He tells me that every mother's nightmare is on the cards:  my child may have been abducted.

I know, with no imagine, that I would rail and fight against this scenario with every fibre of my being.

It's every parent's nightmare.

Which is why it will never, for me, add up:  no parent would naturally  leap to this conclusion, without exhausting all the other possibilities.  EVER.

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Re: WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

Post by J4MM on 08.11.13 19:47

Spot on Tangledweb. 

I would have hammered on doors throughout the town asking people to search their gardens and outbuildings, screaming her name at the top of my voice.  That's what most 'normal' people would have done.

In fact, I think that was one of the major flaws in the jackanory; they didn't stop to think how 'normal' people would react.

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Post by Issy on 08.11.13 22:53

First thought for anyone who'd left a door unlocked and then discovered their child gone would be 'woke and wandered'. Next thing would be a full scale search for her, roping in every person you could find, calling her name, calling the police. Unless, of course, your unlocked door made you fear more for your own reputation and what people, including the authorities, might see as child neglect, in which case you might decide to keep quiet about the door while pointing to an open window and shutters. Not our fault, anyone, that's why she's missing, someone took her, we're not to blame, she definitely wasn't outside. Hmm ...

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Post by Okeydokey on 09.11.13 0:27

@J4MM wrote:Spot on Tangledweb. 

I would have hammered on doors throughout the town asking people to search their gardens and outbuildings, screaming her name at the top of my voice.  That's what most 'normal' people would have done.

In fact, I think that was one of the major flaws in the jackanory; they didn't stop to think how 'normal' people would react.
Not just that - but when Jane Tanner had revealed to most of Tapas 9 the direction in which the "abductor" was travelling surely they would all have been heading off along that way, banging on vans, looking in abandoned vehicles, calling out her name...

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Post by Mirage on 09.11.13 0:37

What amuses me is they kept all their valuables and passports in the safe according to Phil. Come on everyone. Give them a break. They weren't totally irresponsible.

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Post by PeterMac on 09.11.13 8:43

@Mirage wrote:What amuses me is they kept all their valuables and passports in the safe according to Phil. Come on everyone. Give them a break. They weren't totally  irresponsible.
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Post by SchrodingersBody on 09.11.13 8:50

Cue loony conspiracy theory accusations, but there only appears to be 4 passports in that picture. or is th 5th, second from bottom and obscured ?

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Post by Guest on 09.11.13 9:11

That has been mentioned before. There certainly do seem to be only four passports there but a copy of Madeleine's is in the police files.
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Post by ultimaThule on 09.11.13 10:11

@Mirage wrote:What amuses me is they kept all their valuables and passports in the safe according to Phil. Come on everyone. Give them a   break. They weren't  totally  irresponsible.

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Hiding things in plain sight seems to be a clan McCann trait.

Who can forget sister Phil's reasurring words to the world that nothing of value was taken from 5A on the night her niece disappeared, or the sight of brother John barely able to contain his excitement at the prospect of milking developing the limited company 'Fund'? 

I know what kind of break I'd give them, Mirage angry  but when are these creatures going to be rounded up and put where they belong?
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POLICE ANGRILY DENY THEY ARE RACIST

Post by PeterMac on 09.11.13 10:57

"Let us make this absolutely clear.  There is no hint of Racism in any investigation"  said a spokesman.

"We start with an e-fit, like this.
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Then we consider all the persons who might look similar, like these
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And then after extensive analysis decide that the best suspect is this one.
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It is well tried and tested procedure, and gets results.   Just look in your local prisons. It works.

Racism and xenophobia-ism-ness have nothing to do with it.

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Post by Mirage on 09.11.13 10:59

@PeterMac wrote:"Let us make this absolutely clear.  There is no hint of Racism in any investigation"  said a spokesman.

"We start with an e-fit, like this.
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Then we consider all the persons who might look similar, like these
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And then after extensive analysis decide that the best suspect is this one.
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It is well tried and tested procedure, and gets results.   Just look in your local prisons. It works.

Racism and xenophobia-ism-ness have nothing to do with it.
Put like this you can see they thought things through .......... in a scatter-gun kinda way.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 09.11.13 11:26

I think that when you're clutching at straws you don't stop to consider what colour they are sad

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Post by jeanmonroe on 09.11.13 11:31

said a spokesman.
"We start with an e-fit, like this.
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"We don't actually know how we started with an e-fit like this" added the spokesman, "because the witness's who collaborated with our professional artist, didn't actually see the person's, we are portraying today, with world wide publicity,and absolutely vital to the investigation by the 38 strong solely dedicated elite team of the best detectives at the Met, FACE."

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Post by Mirage on 09.11.13 13:47



Scotland Yard have unveiled their latest e-fit.
He is of Scandinavian appearance and may have been lurking nearby.
" Nearby to where we are not at liberty to say at this time," said a spokesperson close to the enquiry.
" We are keeping an open mind. So much so, that our brains have dropped out."

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Post by jeanmonroe on 09.11.13 14:01

@Mirage wrote:

Scotland Yard have unveiled their latest e-fit.
He is of Scandinavian appearance and may have been lurking nearby.
" Nearby to where we are not at liberty to say at this time," said a spokesperson close to the enquiry.
" We are keeping an open mind. So much so, that our brains have dropped out."

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Post by Guest on 09.11.13 14:07

@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

The one on the far right has an earring.
What also strikes me, time and again, is the kindness in his eyes
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Post by Mirage on 09.11.13 14:18

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@Mirage wrote:

Scotland Yard have unveiled their latest e-fit.
He is of Scandinavian appearance and may have been lurking nearby.
" Nearby to where we are not at liberty to say at this time," said a spokesperson close to the enquiry.
" We are keeping an open mind. So much so, that our brains have dropped out."

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It's TOYS-AND E-Fits 'R' Us.........Also leading specialists in fancy dress and jokes. Dry cleaning service available for accidental  spills on the big night

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.11.13 14:21

@Portia wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

The one on the far right has an earring.
What also strikes me, time and again, is the kindness in his eyes
I agree.  The late Mr Monteiro looks to have been a gentle soul and I'm sure he's resting in a peace the McCanns will never know.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 09.11.13 14:27

Certainly if one was to show the picture of Gerry compared to the one of Tractorman to someone who was wholly unaware of the case and had never heard of the McCanns, and asked them which face they thought more trustworthy, there would only be one answer. Purely of face value you understand.

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