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Post by bristow on 28.10.13 16:53

Whether I have been living under a rock for the last few years I don't know but I have just seen this article from McCann archives for the first time.

I knew about GMcs cat files and the stolen wallet but had never read of the downloads, what do we know about this? Is there any truth in these credit card downloads?

I daren't write on the forum what he was allegedly downloading (although pretty obvious)

Here's the link

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/httpwww_27.html

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Post by tiny on 28.10.13 17:59

@bristow wrote:Whether I have been living under a rock for the last few years I don't know but I have just seen this article from McCann archives for the first time.

I knew about GMcs cat files and the stolen wallet but had never read of the downloads, what do we know about this? Is there any truth in these credit card downloads?

I daren't write on the forum what he was allegedly downloading (although pretty obvious)

Here's the link

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/httpwww_27.html
thanks Bristow,hadnt seen that about the downloading before:shock:  , IF true then it make you wonder, what with gambles involvement and the gaspars statement plus the cats file
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Post by chillyheat on 28.10.13 18:19

@tiny wrote:
@bristow wrote:Whether I have been living under a rock for the last few years I don't know but I have just seen this article from McCann archives for the first time.

I knew about GMcs cat files and the stolen wallet but had never read of the downloads, what do we know about this? Is there any truth in these credit card downloads?

I daren't write on the forum what he was allegedly downloading (although pretty obvious)

Here's the link

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/httpwww_27.html
thanks Bristow,hadnt seen that about the downloading before:shock:  , IF true then it make you wonder, what with gambles involvement and the gaspers statement plus the cats file
Add to that, A good reason for a cover up....

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Post by Guest on 28.10.13 20:54

It is my opinion that there are a lot of people with certain interests looking out for each other.
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Post by Searcher on 28.10.13 21:56

Following steelmagnolia links, I also found this about alleged paedophile links to No. 10, one year ago.  David Cameron promised, at PMQs at the time it was raised, that he would look into it "very carefully":

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t21893-paedo-ring-linked-to-number-10

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Lost wallet/cards

Post by AB1 on 28.10.13 23:27

Only joined yesterday, and came to the site seeking info re cards/wallet so glad to find this thread today. Forgive me if this is elsewhere as haen't had time to digest all the material on here (you're all amazing!).

Always struck me as strange that the PJ were informed the MCs had no credit or debit cards... NHS/Local authorities only pay salaries via bank accounts. Even homeless people have post office accounts.

MCs had worked overseas - Amsterdam and New Zealand I think - so could they have been registered with non-UK banks?

Or did they have accounts in different names?

Or debts?
 Remember GMs strange response when asked how it felt to find Madeline missing? It was something like finding out you're overdrawn on your student loan (sorry for paraphrasing - will try to find exact question/answer).

I'm assuming (yes, ass u me) that
1) checks were made for all car rentals within a 60mile radius on 3rd May
2) even if cash payment driving licences have to be produced in Portugal, and searches were made for possible rentals by all T9 Just thinking about the grey car seen by a witness outside the rear of the apartment approx 22:00hrs.
Is this in the PJ files?

The lost wallet made GM late for meetings with FCO etc. The card companies can be phoned 24/7 and he had a mobile (as we know from deleted calls). Not sure I would have had the nerve to keep such important people waiting. Would have been phoning the loss lines from the tube/bus/taxi or hotel later on...

Did the PJ ever ask GM how he lost non-existent cards?

Perhaps the UK force's response was erroneous and the wallet loss a cruel coincidence, but it's a strange detail which bugs me.

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Post by Woofer on 28.10.13 23:47

@tiny wrote:
@bristow wrote:Whether I have been living under a rock for the last few years I don't know but I have just seen this article from McCann archives for the first time.

I knew about GMcs cat files and the stolen wallet but had never read of the downloads, what do we know about this? Is there any truth in these credit card downloads?

I daren't write on the forum what he was allegedly downloading (although pretty obvious)

Here's the link

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/httpwww_27.html
thanks Bristow,hadnt seen that about the downloading before:shock:  , IF true then it make you wonder, what with gambles involvement and the gaspars statement plus the cats file
Yep - that`s always made me very suspicious too.
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Post by Searcher on 28.10.13 23:56

Have to say, Tiny, Bristow, AB1, that I followed the steelmagnolia link, which led to other material as happens on the net - but I was shocked to find what I did.  Even though I have  been reading and looking ever since 2007, and I don't easily buy into what I read; I have never found material quite as stark as what I found tonight.  Unfortunately, it all seems to make sense.  I wish it didn't.

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Post by Sietah on 29.10.13 0:21

@Searcher wrote:Have to say, Tiny, Bristow, AB1, that I followed the steelmagnolia link, which led to other material as happens on the net - but I was shocked to find what I did.  Even though I have  been reading and looking ever since 2007, and I don't easily buy into what I read; I have never found material quite as stark as what I found tonight.  Unfortunately, it all seems to make sense.  I wish it didn't.
Same here Searcher, I  (again) spent the whole evening reading and told myself stop reading it can't be real. As if turning a blind eye ( if you don't know it, it doesn't excist ) would make it go away. What kind of world do we live in.  And I feel so sad for all the other children that nobody seems to care for.
Please let there be a few good men that don't get scared off and go on untill justice is done...

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Post by Searcher on 29.10.13 0:31

@Sietah wrote:
@Searcher wrote:Have to say, Tiny, Bristow, AB1, that I followed the steelmagnolia link, which led to other material as happens on the net - but I was shocked to find what I did.  Even though I have  been reading and looking ever since 2007, and I don't easily buy into what I read; I have never found material quite as stark as what I found tonight.  Unfortunately, it all seems to make sense.  I wish it didn't.
Same here Searcher, I  (again) spent the whole evening reading and told myself stop reading it can't be real. As if turning a blind eye ( if you don't know it, it doesn't excist ) would make it go away. What kind of world do we live in.  And I feel so sad for all the other children that nobody seems to care for.
Please let there be a few good men that don't get scared off and go on untill justice is done...
Thankyou Sietah - perhaps this has to be considered and some of us be willing to read it and even accept it as possibly true; ghastly, but perhaps needed.  I have been really shocked and very sad tonight, but at the same time feel I have touched on something that has been sitting there for a very long time.  Maybe I chose before not to read it properly or accept it.  Whatever it is, something else registered - and in fact perhaps there is more now to find just on a google search.  Grateful that some of us are finding this, however hard it is.

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Post by AB1 on 29.10.13 1:00

@Searcher wrote:Have to say, Tiny, Bristow, AB1, that I followed the steelmagnolia link, which led to other material as happens on the net - but I was shocked to find what I did.  Even though I have  been reading and looking ever since 2007, and I don't easily buy into what I read; I have never found material quite as stark as what I found tonight.  Unfortunately, it all seems to make sense.  I wish it didn't.
Stark is THE spot-on word for so much about this case...

Re: police background checks:
There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individuals maintains an open account with the same bank or a credit card for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this type of research.
Absolute nonsense! liar  Why lie?

Intrigued (and appalled) by the reason steelmagnolia gives for an URGENT NEED to lose bank cards.
The common reason for people to 'lose' bank cards is to avoid impending payments - the bank returns demands made on a card reported lost... Happens a lot when payday loan companies lend to those robbing peter to pay paul.

The CATS numbers could be audit trails from enhanced CRB checks. Anyone working in a role which may give access to children or vulnerable adults must be checked against sexual and violent offender registers.
Or it could come from referrals they have been professionally involved with.
Just tryin to keep an evidence-based discussion...

Annd yet... Still come back to those GASPAR statements.  As a GP she would have realised the potential fall-out from approaching the police with such information (with its implicit allegation) so must have given it a lot of thought before making contact. Nice to know there's at least one doctor who put Madeline first...

As I said, the cards/wallet have always bothered me, but I hadn't linked them with possible online use.

If what's being suggested really is the elephant in the room, the ramifications are HUGE.

Cadavarine found in the apartment makes me very sad and very mad.
But this suggestion is the very worst. STARK.

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Post by Briohazard on 29.10.13 6:17

I'm a little confused. If he was on an offenders list wouldn't he have been sacked as a doctor? Is this the reason K doesn't practice medicine anymore?

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Post by Searcher on 29.10.13 8:30

Thankyou AB1:  What doesn't make sense to me though is that 'losing credit cards' would not wipe the record of spending on the accounts.  So that doesn't add up to me as a "reason" for losing them.  On the point by Briohazard - if the CATs file was empty and the records 'adjusted' perhaps whatever was recorded there was erased.  It would be useful to  know more.

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Post by Guest on 29.10.13 19:39

I would urge members to be very careful what you are posting re this subject.  Posts will be deleted if they overstep the rules of saying anything that may be libellous, or accusatory etc., we have to be very careful.
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Post by dragonfly on 29.10.13 21:07

I just do not get this, It is claimed that his cards were stolen on the London trip and then returned , only during that period would someone else be accounted for the spending 'if reported' , not previous to it? also what evidence about these cat system file is available  aside from kaossis  I have not see anything else ? 

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Post by ultimaThule on 30.10.13 1:29

@Briohazard wrote:I'm a little confused. If he was on an offenders list wouldn't he have been sacked as a doctor? Is this the reason K doesn't practice medicine anymore?
Doctors who are Category 1 sex offenders are not automatically deregistered by the GMC. 

KM no longer works 1.5 days a week as a locum GP but remains on the GMC register of doctors licensed to practice medicine, as does her spouse.
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Post by Snifferdog on 30.10.13 7:26

Travelling so typing on my phone. Difficult! I can't help thinking about what Kate wrote in her book about seeing Madeleine's perfect genitals ripped apart - in the context of what has been written on this thread. The crying on Monday. Imo we can already see who has vested interest in keeping this 6 year charade alive. These people have made themselves obvious. We need only look at the insane things being published by the newspapers to see one of the big fish involved who is protecting a relative who was in PDL. M.H. Another relative. Also known for failing to investigate a case of serious child abuse in childrens homes. This horror goes up to the very top. These people are not about to throw in the towel but they are getting desperate. Not to mention the others "high up" who have a vested interest too. If the truth comes out there will be a stupendous fall of the high and mighty of great magnitude creating a chain reaction that will be hard to stop. All JMO of course.
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Post by ultimaThule on 30.10.13 11:03

@Snifferdog wrote:Travelling so typing on my phone. Difficult!  I can't help thinking about what Kate wrote in her book about seeing Madeleine's perfect genitals ripped apart - in the context of what has been written on this thread. The crying on Monday.
You and me both, Snifferdog.   Thinking of what fate may have befallen this poor child has taken me to some very dark places indeed.
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Post by secrets and lies on 30.10.13 11:23

If there is any truth in the downloading story (and I hope with every fiber of my being, that there isn't) it potentially puts GM's odd CW comment about his daughter being born "almost perfectly formed" in a new light.
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Post by Snifferdog on 30.10.13 11:31

Same UltimaThule. Swinging, considering what todays moral standards for some would not be enough reason to cover up a death imo. It had to have been something more. The make up and the other one in which some say it looks as though 'she is no longer with us' photo/s of M imo are reminders to others to keep doing their 'bit' or else.
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Post by bodiddly on 30.10.13 15:00

It is just too appalling for my mind to even consider. I really need it to be that MBM was loved and adored right up until the end.

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Post by ultimaThule on 31.10.13 1:55

@bodiddly wrote:It is just too appalling for my mind to even consider. I really need it to be that MBM was loved and adored right up until the end.
I really need it to be that every child is loved and adored, and cherished and nurtured, throughout their childhood and beyond, but I know this is not the case. 

The statistics inform us that the vast majority of sexual, physical, verbal and emotional abuse is perpetrated against children by their parents, relatives, carers, and other adults known to them or to their families. 

If we deny this fact, or seek refuge in wishful thinking because the alternative offends our delicate sensibilities, we are failing all abused children by making it easier for their abusers to go undetected.
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Post by Seek truth on 31.10.13 8:25

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Post by AB1 on 01.11.13 22:46

Went back to the PJ files released 2008 for exact copy of wording:
03 Cartas Rogatorias Vol III Page 26
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Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES

To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Criminal Unit

Date: 16th May 2008

Ref: Background Information– Kate McCann


Dear Sirs,

In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject.


Kate McCann was born on March 5, 1968 in Merseyside.
Her maiden name is Healy, which she still uses in her clinical practice.
She is the bearer of British passport number **************.

She lives with her husband and children at****************************** The house is subject to a mortgage for the amount of GBP 323.493 with the Northern Rock bank.

There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individual maintains an account open with the same bank or credit card accounts for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this kind of search.

She works for the local NHS as a GP in Latham House, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. She is currently on maternity leave.

Her phone number is ******* and she has a T mobile phone number ********.
There is no record of either of her surnames on the National Police Computer.

The search reference is NE84/0053/4.

A check of the location of the crime and information system is negative.

Inquiries made of local social services are negative.

Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.

An examination of all other police files using a search system does not reveal any information about her.

Makes it clear the CATS reference was CREATED for Op Task, as a control should any enquiries be necessary.
The inference is that no prior record existed.
 
One other thing to note -she was in receipt of a generous amount of maternity leave...

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Post by Sietah on 02.11.13 23:42

@Snifferdog wrote:I can't help thinking about what Kate wrote in her book about seeing Madeleine's perfect genitals ripped apart
I don't post much because I don't want to use wrong words by mistake (my bad English) but this makes me so sad and mad. And it is only my opion, but..  Why does she use the word perfect, sure kids genitals are perfect if there is not messed with. Does she want to tell us if the body is found and they are ripped apart, that happend after the abduction?  And more, me as a mother afraid my sweetheart could have been sexualy abused, i would cry for the emotional pain she went through.  But it looks like KM can really visualize the deed, how sick are you than? imo

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