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Post by KellyLennon on 28.10.13 21:27

@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
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Post by Saturdaygirl on 28.10.13 21:37

@Praiaaa wrote:Saturdaygirl, I am also on that mumsnet thread, and have also been banned without notice or reason a few years ago for simply posting on a McCann thread that ' I hope the perpetrators will be brought to justice'. No mention of who they might be, but apparently the use of the plural was in itself deemed to be libellous...????('someone' had complained and reported my post...) Had to promise not to post on any more McC threads to be let back onto mumset!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - unprecedented as I have been a regular poster on hundreds of other unrelated threads over the years before and since without trouble.. What I have noticed is that the threads are typically derailed when posters come on blaming the McCs for neglecting their children, have often wondered if these are agents provocateurs to get the threads deleted...
Hi, you rebel!tongue 

My sudden banning a few years ago was annoying because I had actually been pming someone and it was very interesting when "whoosh" banned just like that, thought it was very odd as I had obviously speculated (but lets face it so had lots of people!) and had never accused the McCanns or harming Madeleine or covering anything up! I simply re-registered with another email address and it worked but it still annoyed me, I posted on the thread a few weeks ago and got a post deleted so quickly name changed, just in case! But yes it makes you wonder doesnt it!!

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Post by Okeydokey on 28.10.13 21:55

@KellyLennon wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
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Do you remember Kate was going through all the PJ files looking for clues...so we were told.  Sounds like she would have been eligible for payment if she was doing it on behalf of the Fund.

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Post by dragonfly on 28.10.13 22:02

@Saturdaygirl wrote:
@Praiaaa wrote:Saturdaygirl, I am also on that mumsnet thread, and have also been banned without notice or reason a few years ago for simply posting on a McCann thread that ' I hope the perpetrators will be brought to justice'. No mention of who they might be, but apparently the use of the plural was in itself deemed to be libellous...????('someone' had complained and reported my post...) Had to promise not to post on any more McC threads to be let back onto mumset!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - unprecedented as I have been a regular poster on hundreds of other unrelated threads over the years before and since without trouble.. What I have noticed is that the threads are typically derailed when posters come on blaming the McCs for neglecting their children, have often wondered if these are agents provocateurs to get the threads deleted...
Hi, you rebel!tongue 

My sudden banning a few years ago was annoying because I had actually been pming someone and it was very interesting when "whoosh" banned just like that, thought it was very odd as I had obviously speculated (but lets face it so had lots of people!) and had never accused the McCanns or harming Madeleine or covering anything up! I simply re-registered with another email address and it worked but it still annoyed me, I posted on the thread a few weeks ago and got a post deleted so quickly name changed, just in case! But yes it makes you wonder doesnt it!!
It was reported that kate had said 'they have taken her' use of plural

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Post by petunia on 28.10.13 22:06

@Okeydokey wrote:
@KellyLennon wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
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Do you remember Kate was going through all the PJ files looking for clues...so we were told.  Sounds like she would have been eligible for payment if she was doing it on behalf of the Fund.
wonder how much she paid herself per hour..poor poor maddie..poor poor twins

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Post by KellyLennon on 28.10.13 22:07

@Okeydokey wrote:
@KellyLennon wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
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Do you remember Kate was going through all the PJ files looking for clues...so we were told.  Sounds like she would have been eligible for payment if she was doing it on behalf of the Fund.
Kate and Gerry McCann have used the £1million Find Madeleine fund to pay their mortgage, it was revealed
Fund organisers refused to say how much had been spent but confirmed that money donated by the public was made available for the family's living expenses.

n the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance it paid for her parents' campaign trips to Madrid, Amsterdam, Berlin, Washington DC and the Moroccan capital, Rabat.

It was revealed last month that about £300,000 had been spent, and a further £80,000 was paid out this month for a new publicity campaign in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.



more on your mortgage than your missing child...really???

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Re: WOW A MUST READ -Madeleine clues hidden for five years - Sunday Times Full article now on Page 1

Post by chillyheat on 28.10.13 22:13

@KellyLennon wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:
@KellyLennon wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
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Do you remember Kate was going through all the PJ files looking for clues...so we were told.  Sounds like she would have been eligible for payment if she was doing it on behalf of the Fund.
Kate and Gerry McCann have used the £1million Find Madeleine fund to pay their mortgage, it was revealed
Fund organisers refused to say how much had been spent but confirmed that money donated by the public was made available for the family's living expenses.

n the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance it paid for her parents' campaign trips to Madrid, Amsterdam, Berlin, Washington DC and the Moroccan capital, Rabat.

It was revealed last month that about £300,000 had been spent, and a further £80,000 was paid out this month for a new publicity campaign in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.



more on your mortgage than your missing child...really???
Tweet all this to Katie Hopkins....big grin

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Post by chillyheat on 28.10.13 22:14

@KellyLennon wrote:
@Okeydokey wrote:
@KellyLennon wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
@Searcgforthetruth wrote:The interesting follow up questions to your analysis are:

Why were Gerry and Kate McCann appointed directors in November 2008? Coincidence or did they need to pack the Board in their favour to suppress the PI report?

Of the Board members listed in November 2008 who has since resigned from the Board?
Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY 
.
Do you remember Kate was going through all the PJ files looking for clues...so we were told.  Sounds like she would have been eligible for payment if she was doing it on behalf of the Fund.
Kate and Gerry McCann have used the £1million Find Madeleine fund to pay their mortgage, it was revealed
Fund organisers refused to say how much had been spent but confirmed that money donated by the public was made available for the family's living expenses.

n the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance it paid for her parents' campaign trips to Madrid, Amsterdam, Berlin, Washington DC and the Moroccan capital, Rabat.

It was revealed last month that about £300,000 had been spent, and a further £80,000 was paid out this month for a new publicity campaign in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.



more on your mortgage than your missing child...really???
Excuse my language for once, they are a pair of evil f*****

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Post by Guest on 28.10.13 22:19

Kelly, can I ask when you post from articles you could include links please.
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Post by aquila on 28.10.13 22:21

I believe the McCanns paid a couple of mortgage payments with donated money. They did not pay off their mortgage as is possibly being suggested in the previous posts.

It's important stick to facts. There are threads on the Fund.

ETA: Sorry Candyfloss my post crossed with yours.
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Post by KellyLennon on 28.10.13 22:23

candyfloss wrote:Kelly, can I ask when you post from articles you could include links please.
of course,just new one here and wasnt sure if allowed to post links or not. heres link re last post ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-490415/Row-McCanns-use-1million-Madeleine-fund-pa
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Post by sofa on 28.10.13 22:29

Just went on Katie Hopkins twitter and she is saying she is reading the Truth of the lie, don't particularly like her but she cracked me on that one!

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Post by Searcher on 28.10.13 22:32


Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



If the "Fund" is a limited company it will not be subject to the same checks and balances as a registered charitable trust.  I don't know enough about constitution of the company - it may be a charitable company for instance - but if it's not a registered UK charity it won't have the same restrictions on how money is paid out, how money is used in terms of charitable aims and objectives.

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Post by chillyheat on 28.10.13 22:32

Mr 
@sofa wrote:Just went on Katie Hopkins twitter and she is saying she is reading the Truth of the lie, don't particularly like her but she cracked me on that one!

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Post by aquila on 28.10.13 22:35

@Searcher wrote:

Very good post KellyLennon

I was just thinking the same thing Searchforthetruth. A bit of a coincidence GM and KM joined the board on 12 Nov 2008.
maybe this has something to do with it ...




Are the directors paid?

The directors are not paid as directors of the company. However, they may, if family members, be beneficiaries of the Fund and they may, as is the case with some registered charities, be paid for providing services to the Fund. The Fund has established conflict of interest policies to deal with these situations.



If the "Fund" is a limited company it will not be subject to the same checks and balances as a registered charitable trust.  I don't know enough about constitution of the company - it may be a charitable company for instance - but if it's not a registered UK charity it won't have the same restrictions on how money is paid out, how money is used in terms of charitable aims and objectives.
Perhaps searching the Fund and Enid O'Dowd's analysis will make things clear. All this information is on the forum and mccanfiles.
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Post by Pyewacket on 28.10.13 22:45

I know this is a few pages back now, and that these threads move quickly and also can jump about a bit.

My point is that CW however pisspoor to the expectations of some, has actually done a good job in bringing this sad tale back under the spotlight. For many in the UK, Maddie's fate is yesterday's news, we've had loads of young girls meeting an untimely end at the hands of evil perpetrators since 2007. I now know that there are people on here who have been working on this night and day for years, with the other side no doubt doing the same. But as for the Great British public, they don't see this as a current story anymore. Just: "Oh well, are they still banging on about that" So sad for the patents, but so what ? Another kid got nicked !! ? Suddenly, after CW, there is an interest again, because they are being told that there are real developments, and new evidence etc it's suddenly all back under the spotlight. Just look at the number of new members on here (including me). The papers are falling over themselves to get a headline on the front page, and I bet the staff on the ST insight team were doing high fives, knowing that they'd trumped dirty desmond's mob to the scoop of the week.
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Post by irishdub on 28.10.13 22:54

Not one British newspaper is leading with this story tomorrow. Both BBC's News channel and website have not carried this story. Both Sky News's channel and website have also still not carried this story. The police have said today that this new development is not an issue. As I said earlier, it looks like this new development is losing traction fast in the media.

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Post by Woburn_exile on 28.10.13 22:58

@sallypelt wrote:
@Pennypennypenny wrote:Why did they employ PI's in the first place. What were they hoping to achieve?
Pennypenny, I will copy and paste the information here, so anyone who has never seen it, can read it themselves. They will see Clarence Mitchell's feable excuse as to why Kennedy employed PIs initially.

Start:

The following text is an unredacted version retrieved from Google cache, with redacted text in red identifying a former undercover police officer who worked with MI5. See other hosts of this via Google on "Henri Exton."

September 25, 2009

Mark Hollingsworth Investigates The McCann Files  

Disillusioned with the Portuguese police, Gerry and Kate McCann turned to private detectives to find their missing daughter. Instead the efforts of the private eyes served only to scare off witnesses, waste funds and raise false hopes. Mark Hollingsworth investigates the investigators.

by Mark Hollingsworth

It was billed as a ‘significant development’ in the exhaustive search for Madeleine McCann. At a recent dramatic press conference in London, the lead private investigator David Edgar, a retired Cheshire detective inspector, brandished an E-FIT image of an Australian woman, described her as ‘a bit of a Victoria Beckham lookalike’, and appealed for help in tracing her. The woman was seen ‘looking agitated’ outside a restaurant in Barcelona three days after Madeleine’s disappearance. ‘It is a strong lead’, said Edgar, wearing a pin-stripe suit in front of a bank of cameras and microphones. ‘Madeleine could have been in Barcelona by that point. The fact the conversation took place near the marina could be significant.’

But within days reporters discovered that the private detectives had failed to make the most basic enquiries before announcing their potential breakthrough. Members of Edgar’s team who visited Barcelona had failed to speak to anyone working at the restaurant near where the agitated woman was seen that night, neglected to ask if the mystery woman had been filmed on CCTV cameras and knew nothing about the arrival of an Australian luxury yacht just after Madeleine vanished.

The apparent flaws in this latest development were another salutary lesson for Kate and Gerry McCann, who have relied on private investigators after the Portuguese police spent more time falsely suspecting the parents than searching for their daughter. For their relations with private detectives have been frustrating, unhappy and controversial ever since their daughter’s disappearance in May 2007.

The search has been overseen by the millionaire business Brian Kennedy, 49, who set up Madeleine’s Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned, which aimed ‘to procure that Madeleine’s abduction is thoroughly investigated’. A straight-talking, tough, burly self-made entrepreneur and rugby fanatic, he grew up in a council flat near Tynecastle in Scotland and was brought up as a Jehovah’s Witness. He started his working life as a window cleaner and by 2007 had acquired a £350 million fortune from double-glazing and home-improvement ventures. Kennedy was outraged by the police insinuations against the McCanns and, though a stranger, worked tirelessly on their behalf. ‘His motivation was sincere,’ said someone who worked closely with him. ‘He was appalled by the Portuguese police, but he also had visions of flying in by helicopter to rescue Madeleine.’

Kennedy commissioned private detectives to conduct an investigation parallel to the one run by the Portuguese police. But his choice showed how dangerous it is when powerful and wealthy businessmen try to play detective. In September 2007, he hired Metodo 3, an agency based in Barcelona, on a six-month contract and paid it an estimated £50,000 a month. Metodo 3 was hired because of Spain’s ‘language and cultural connection’ with Portugal. ‘If we’d had big-booted Brits or, heaven forbid, Americans, we would have had doors slammed in our faces’ said Clarence Mitchell, spokesperson for the McCann’s at the time. ‘And it’s quite likely that we could have been charged with hindering the investigation as technically it’s illegal in Portugal to undertake a secondary investigation.

The agency had 35 investigators working on the case in Britain, France, Spain, Portugal and Morocco. A hotline was set up for the public to report sightings and suspicions, and the search focussed on Morocco. But the investigation was dogged by over-confidence and braggadocio. ‘We know who took Madeleine and hope she will be home by Christmas,’ boasted Metodo 3’s flamboyant boss Francisco Marco. But no Madeleine materialised and their contract was not renewed.

Until now, few details have emerged about the private investigation during those crucial early months, but an investigation by ES shows that key mistakes were made, which in turn made later enquiries far more challenging.

ES has spoken to several sources close to the private investigations that took place in the first year and discovered that:

* The involvement of Brian Kennedy and his son Patrick in the operation was counter-productive, notably when they were questioned by the local police for acting suspiciously while attempting a 24-hour ‘stake out’.

* The relationship between Metodo 3 and the Portuguese police had completely broken down.

* Key witnesses were questioned far too aggressively, so much so that some of them later refused to talk to the police.

* Many of the investigators had little experience of the required painstaking forensic detective work.

By April 2008, nearing the first anniversary of the disappearance, Kennedy and the McCanns were desperate. And so when Henri Exton, a former undercover police officer who worked on MI5 operations, and Kevin Halligen, a smooth-talking Irishman who claimed to have worked for covert British government intelligence agency GCHQ, walked through the door, their timing was perfect. Their sales pitch was classic James Bond spook-talk: everything had to be ‘top secret’ and ‘on a need to know basis’. The operation would involve 24-hour alert systems, undercover units, satellite imagery and round-the-clock surveillance teams that would fly in at short notice. This sounded very exciting but, as one source close to the investigation told ES, it was also very expensive and ultimately unsuccessful. ‘The real job at hand was old-fashioned, tedious, forensic police work rather than these boy’s own, glory boy antic,’ he said.

But Kennedy was impressed by the license-to-spy presentation and Exton and Halligen were hire for a fee of £100,000 per month plus expenses. Ostensibly, the contract was with Halligen’s UK security company, Red Defence International Ltd, and an office was set up in Jermyn Street, in St James’s. Only a tiny group of employees did the painstaking investigative work of dealing with thousands of emails and phone calls. Instead, resources were channelled into undercover operations in paedophile rings and among gypsies throughout Europe, encouraged by Kennedy. A five-man surveillance team was dispatched in Portugal, overseen by the experienced Exton, for six weeks.

Born in Belgium in 1951, Exton had been a highly effective undercover officer for the Manchester police. A maverick and dynamic figure, he successfully infiltrated gangs of football hooligans in the 1980’s. While not popular among his colleagues, in 1991 he was seconded to work on MI5 undercover operations against drug dealers, gangsters and terrorists, and was later awarded the Queen’s Police Medal for ‘outstanding bravery’. By all accounts, the charismatic Exton was a dedicated officer. But in November 2002, the stress appeared to have overcome his judgement when he was arrested for shoplifting.

While working on an MI5 surveillance, Exton was caught leaving a tax-free shopping area at Manchester airport with a bottle of perfume he had not paid for. The police were called and he was given the option of the offence being dealt with under caution or to face prosecution. He chose a police caution and so in effect admitted his guilt. Exton was sacked, but was furious about the way he had been treated and threatened to sue MI5. He later set up his own consulting company and moved to Bury in Lancashire.

While Exton, however flawed, was the genuine article as an investigator, Halligen was a very different character. Born in Dublin in 1961, he has been described as a ‘Walter Mitty figure’. He used false names to collect prospective clients at airports in order to preserve secrecy, and he called himself ‘Kevin’ or ‘Richard’ or ‘Patrick’ at different times to describe himself to business contacts. There appears to be no reason for all this subterfuge except that he thought this was what agents did. A conspiracy theorist and lover of the secret world, he is obsessed by surveillance gadgets and even installed a covert camera to spy on his own employees. He claimed to have worked for GCHQ, but in fact he was employed by the Atomic Energy Authority (AEA) as head of defence systems in the rather less glamorous field of new information technology, researching the use of ‘special batteries’. He told former colleagues and potential girlfriends that he used to work for MI5, MI6 and the CIA. He also claimed that he was nearly kidnapped by the IRA, was involved in the first Gulf War and had been a freefall parachutist.

Very little of this is true. What is true is that Halligen has a degree in electronics, worked on the fringes of the intelligence community while at AEA and does understand government communications. He could also be an astonishingly persuasive, engaging and charming individual. Strikingly self-confident and articulate, he could be generous and clubbable. ‘He was very good company but only when it suited him’ says one friend. He kept people in compartments.’

After leaving the AEA, Halligen set up Red Defence International Ltd as an international security and political risk company, advising clients on the risks involved in investing and doing business in unstable, war-torn and corrupt countries. He worked closely with political risk companies and was a persuasive advocate of IT security. In 2006, he struck gold when hired by Trafigura, the Dutch commodities trading company. Executives were imprisoned in the Ivory Coast after toxic waste was dumped in landfills near its biggest city Abidjan. Trafigura was blamed and hired Red Defence International at vast expense to help with the negotiations to release its executives. A Falcon business jet was rented for several months during the operation and it was Halligen’s first taste of the good life. The case only ended when Trafigura paid $197 million to the government of the Ivory Coast to secure the release of the prisoners.

Halligen made a fortune from Trafigura and was suddenly flying everywhere first-class, staying at the Lansborough and Stafford hotels in London and The Willard hotel in Washington DC for months at a time. In 2007 he set up Oakley International Group and registered at the offices of the prestigious law firm Patton Boggs, in Washington DC, as an international security company. He was now strutting the stage as a self-proclaimed international spy expert and joined the Special Forces Club in Knightsbridge, where he met Exton.

During the Madeleine investigation, Halligen spent vast amounts of time in the HeyJo bar in the basement of the Abracadabra Club near his Jermyn Street office. Armed with a clutch of unregistered mobile phones and a Blackberry, the bar was in effect his office. ‘He was there virtually the whole day,’ a former colleague told ES. ‘He had an amazing tolerance for alcohol and a prodigious memory and so occasionally he would have amazing bursts of intelligence, lucidity and insights. They were very rare but they did happen.’

When not imbibing in St James’s, Halligen was in the United States, trying to drum up investors for Oakley International. On 15 August 2008, at the height of the McCann investigation crisis, he persuaded Andre Hollis, a former US Drug enforcement agency official, to write out an $80,000 cheque to Oakley in return for a ten per cent share-holding. The money was then transferred into the private accounts of Halligen and his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis to finance a holiday in Italy, according to Hollis. In a $6 million lawsuit filed in Fairfax County, Virginia, Hollis alleges that Halligen ‘received monies for Oakley’s services rendered and deposited the same into his personal accounts’ and ‘repeatedly and systematically depleted funds from Oakley’s bank accounts for inappropriate personal expenses’.

Hollis was not the only victim. Mark Aspinall, a respected lawyer who worked closely with Halligen, invested £500,000 in Oakley and lost the lot. Earlier this year he filed a lawsuit in Washington DC against Halligen claiming $1.4 million in damages. The finances of Oakley International are in chaos and numerous employees, specialist consultants and contractors have not been paid. Some of them now face financial ruin.

Meanwhile, Exton was running the surveillance teams in Portugal and often paying his operatives upfront, so would occasionally be out-of-pocket because Halligen had not transferred funds. Exton genuinely believed that progress was being made and substantial and credible reports on child trafficking were submitted. But by mid-August 2008, Kennedy and Gerry McCann were increasingly concerned by an absence of details of how the money was being spent. At one meeting, Halligen was asked how many men constituted a surveillance team and he produced a piece of paper on which he wrote ‘between one and ten’. But he then refused to say how many were working and how much they were being paid.

While Kennedy and Gerry McCann accepted that the mission was extremely difficult and some secrecy was necessary, Halligen was charging very high rates and expenses. And eyebrows were raised when all the money was paid to Oakley International, solely owned and managed by Halligen. One invoice, seen by ES, shows that for ‘accrued expenses to May 5, 2008’ (just one month into the contract), Oakley charged $74,155. The ‘point of contact’ was Halligen who provided a UK mobile telephone number.

While Kennedy was ready to accept Halligen at face value, Gerry McCann ­ sharp, focused and intelligent ­ was more sceptical. The contract with Oakley International and Halligen was terminated by the end of September 2008, after £500,000-plus expenses had been spent.

For the McCanns it was a bitter experience, Exton has returned to Cheshire and, like so many people, is owed money by Halligen. As for Halligen, he has gone into hiding, leaving a trail of debt and numerous former business associates and creditors looking for him. He was last seen in January of this year in Rome, drinking and spending prodigiously at the Hilton Cavalieri and Excelsior hotels. He is now believed by private investigators, who have been searching for him to serve papers on behalf of creditors, to be in the UK and watching his back. Meanwhile, in the eye of the storm, the McCanns continue the search for their lost daughter.


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Very well put Sally, it explains exactly the accountable skills and experiences of PIs in general and for all we know they could have been stacking shelves in Tescos before setting themselves up as "investigators". If the private security consultant industry or private bodyguards are anything to go by, in the 80s and 90s the number of them who had been part of the SAS raid on the Iranian embassy at Princes gate in 1980 stood in excess of 32,000.Mrs 
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Post by KellyLennon on 28.10.13 23:00

@irishdub wrote:Not one British newspaper is leading with this story tomorrow. Both BBC's News channel and website have not carried this story. Both Sky News's channel and website have also still not carried this story. The police have said today that this new development is not an issue. As I said earlier, it looks this development is losing traction fast in the media.
noticed this aswell, doesnt even seem to be on Dm Online anymore atall

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Post by Woburn_exile on 28.10.13 23:15

@Miraflores wrote:And now the 48 questions have appeared on Mumsnet! It's certainly waking people up. Mind you, I expect that post will get whooshed soon.
Really? I have another 3 that will bring out the truth. Kate McCann will crack just thinking of the answers then will have to tell the truth.

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Post by ProfMoriarty on 28.10.13 23:29

Point is, the whole thing has taken a direction neither the McCanns nor SY could have predicted or would have wanted when they began the CW carry-on. They may have thought the gag on the PIs would have kept the origin of the 'new evidence' out of the public eye. If they thought about it at all. The only purpose of the CW show was to generate a buzz around the idea of abduction while the libel case was ongoing in Portugal. From that point of view, job done. The historic British police handling of the matter couldn't afford Amaral's version of events not to be rendered out of order. He must be found guilty of libel. The quickest route to that is to point to live investigations muttering on about gypsies, robbers, paedos and Roma abductors. So great was the need to restore the abductor - and all that 'snatched' gibberish in the papers - that they tiptoed over to the riskiest piece of evidence of all - the piece that only came to light after the McCanns had fled Portugal as arguidos and G McCann was spotted walking across the airport tarmac. A sighting. The only credible one on the whole night. But the one which was so intimately connected to G McCann himself that he and his wife suppressed all reference to it where possible, downgraded its status, buried the efits created on the back of it.
And then ... along comes the ST Insight Team - who could have predicted that? - and the whole sorry mess is planted firmly back in the public press, root and branch. Inconsistent statements from the McCanns, from their Tapas mates, the sleep pattern issue, the theory of 'woke and wandered' ... and the dreadful idea that the child died on that night. 
Why isn't it in the other papers or media outlets? Because the McCanns sued everyone for far less than the ST printed on Sunday.
You'll find the whole thing vanishes like a stone down a well from the British media now. No more kidnapped Roma kids bringing bizarre 'new hope' to Rothley.
The real investigation - if you can even believe there is one - is the one in Portugal, not Britain. That's the one to watch and I hope we get bulletins on it on this splendid site.
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Post by notlongnow on 28.10.13 23:31

Clarance Mitchell was unavailable for comment.


Reckon we will see this sentance a lot over the coming weeks,months.

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Post by tasprin on 28.10.13 23:44

@KellyLennon wrote:
@irishdub wrote:Not one British newspaper is leading with this story tomorrow. Both BBC's News channel and website have not carried this story. Both Sky News's channel and website have also still not carried this story. The police have said today that this new development is not an issue. As I said earlier, it looks this development is losing traction fast in the media.
noticed this aswell, doesnt even seem to be on Dm Online anymore atall
IMO, the media can't overplay its hand when there's an on-going  investigation. Enough has been said to make everyone aware that the McCanns withheld the e-fits, and people who had no previous interest in this case are talking about it. The public are fairly well prepared for any eventuality now and there's probably so much more to that report.
Another curious thing is that Oakley showed no interest in the phone line they'd set up to receive information - nobody listened to any of the calls for an entire year  - including the private investigators who succeeded Oakley and the Findmadeleine fund. Maybe they all knew there was no point.

MAIL 29 AUGUST 2010
But The Mail on Sunday can reveal today that despite setting up a hotline for potential informants and witnesses, none of the hundreds of calls received by a call centre hired by Halligen, 48, was listened to by Oakley investigators...

Johan Selle, the director of operations at iJet, the US firm that managed the Find Madeleine phone line, revealed that for a year nobody even asked his company if they could listen to any of the calls received.
Mr Selle said his operators, in Annapolis, Virginia, had answered 'hundreds of calls', but the information seemed wasted - possibly squandering valuable leads.
He said: 'We delivered Oakley a report with a summary of the calls and said if they wanted to come back they could listen to the recording, but nobody did.
'For someone with an understanding of the case it would be very easy for some to say that maybe 80 or 90 per cent of the calls were hogwash, but there may be a percentage where one would say maybe we should listen to this one or listen to that one. But our understanding is that this never took place.
'We are not sure whether Halligen provided our report to the family or to the trust or to those working with them or to the teams working after him, because no one came back to us.
'We sent the report to Oakley group and our assumption was that they were using it as a piece in the puzzle. But it appears that wasn't the case.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1231757/Madeleine-McCann-investigator-didnt-listen-ANY-tip-offs-given-hotline--squandered-500-000.html#ixzz2j3pmD2nl

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Post by Grande Finale on 28.10.13 23:58

TM have utilised a massive portion of their energy,fund money and resources pushing tanners bundleman across the whole of Europe and beyond. This has been in spite of the fact that the timeline was always impossible, why would they do that ?

You don't think it was to deliberately distract from this other highly credible sighting which we now find Photofits were produced for which many say looks like GM ??

I can remember a few years ago when the forums would go crazy with paid keyboard monkey posts, whenever the question was asked "where did this man go next ?"           "where did this man go next ?"

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Post by mouse on 29.10.13 0:21

@ProfMoriarty wrote:Point is, the whole thing has taken a direction neither the McCanns nor SY could have predicted or would have wanted when they began the CW carry-on. They may have thought the gag on the PIs would have kept the origin of the 'new evidence' out of the public eye. If they thought about it at all. The only purpose of the CW show was to generate a buzz around the idea of abduction while the libel case was ongoing in Portugal. From that point of view, job done. The historic British police handling of the matter couldn't afford Amaral's version of events not to be rendered out of order. He must be found guilty of libel. The quickest route to that is to point to live investigations muttering on about gypsies, robbers, paedos and Roma abductors. So great was the need to restore the abductor - and all that 'snatched' gibberish in the papers - that they tiptoed over to the riskiest piece of evidence of all - the piece that only came to light after the McCanns had fled Portugal as arguidos and G McCann was spotted walking across the airport tarmac. A sighting. The only credible one on the whole night. But the one which was so intimately connected to G McCann himself that he and his wife suppressed all reference to it where possible, downgraded its status, buried the efits created on the back of it.
And then ... along comes the ST Insight Team - who could have predicted that? - and the whole sorry mess is planted firmly back in the public press, root and branch. Inconsistent statements from the McCanns, from their Tapas mates, the sleep pattern issue, the theory of 'woke and wandered' ... and the dreadful idea that the child died on that night. 
Why isn't it in the other papers or media outlets? Because the McCanns sued everyone for far less than the ST printed on Sunday.
You'll find the whole thing vanishes like a stone down a well from the British media now. No more kidnapped Roma kids bringing bizarre 'new hope' to Rothley.
The real investigation - if you can even believe there is one - is the one in Portugal, not Britain. That's the one to watch and I hope we get bulletins on it on this splendid site.
Fab post - totally agree. Especially BIB

Just out of interest, quoted from another post by kellyLennon.

Kate and Gerry McCann have used the £1million Find Madeleine fund to pay their mortgage, it was revealed
Fund organisers refused to say how much had been spent but confirmed that money donated by the public was made available for the family's living expenses.

n the weeks after Madeleine's disappearance it paid for her parents' campaign trips to Madrid, Amsterdam, Berlin, Washington DC and the Moroccan capital, Rabat.

It was revealed last month that about £300,000 had been spent, and a further £80,000 was paid out this month for a new publicity campaign in Portugal, Spain and Morocco.




Going back to some posts about Esther McVey - do we know when the date of this article was. I remember quoting it on another forum at the time, and I'm sure it was when Esther actually launched this new part of the campaign -and I think it was with Metodor.  I remember from one of the old forums everyone throwing their arms up in frustration - as to why she was continuing this complete wild goose chase with a very dodge pot company....She didn't just jump ship out of innocence - she was there for some while and dealing with companies like this. If I was one of her constituents - I think I'd be asking a few questions.

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