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"Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

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Is this the most cynical misuse of Madeleine's name so far, just to sell more newspapers?

Yes - I can't think of a worse one
 
No - There have been dozens more just as bad or worse
 
 
 
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by Joss on 23.10.13 13:45

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@Joss wrote:tagged: DNa, Greece, illegal adoptions, Interpol, Ireland, Maria, tests

Maria from Roma camp not on Interpol list of missing children
Posted by keeptalkinggreece in Very Mix
The young girl found living with a couple who are not her biological parents in a Roma camp in central Greece last week is not on Interpol’s list of missing children, the Greek Police told Skai on Tuesday.
The child, who is aged between 5 and 6 and has come to be known as “Maria,” is not on the international agency’s list of 610 missing children, DNA findings have confirmed.
The finding has led local authorities to believe that the most likely scenario is that Maria ended up at the Roma camp in Farsala, central Greece, following a crackdown on illegal adoptions in neighboring Bulgaria in the 2008-2010 period.
Now Greek police concentrates in locating a Bulgarian man who had allegedly gave new born Maria to the Roma couple, as the man and woman in custody claimed from the beginning.
- See more at: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2013/10/22/maria-from-roma-camp-not-on-interpol-list-of-missing-children/#sthash.CRm70oZi.dpuf
Yes I just read that myself.

Its going to be egg on someones face IMHO.

So if they child is not officially missing how can you charge them with ABDUCTION?

Yes, exactly.
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by ChippyM on 23.10.13 14:06

The second child taken from parents in Ireland has been returned after DNA tests prove he was their child.
  This is unbelievable, a child taken away from parents just because it has a different hair and eye colour. What law enables them to do this? People are so ignorant and this seems to have fed on the hatred people have of 'travellers'.
  The first girl taken in Ireland has her face pixellated but her hair is a kind of sunbleached brown, maybe she will turn out not to have been stolen by gypsies either.

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by columbostogeys on 23.10.13 15:05

@ChippyM wrote:The second child taken from parents in Ireland has been returned after DNA tests prove he was their child.
  This is unbelievable, a child taken away from parents just because it has a different hair and eye colour. What law enables them to do this? People are so ignorant and this seems to have fed on the hatred people have of 'travellers'.
  The first girl taken in Ireland has her face pixellated but her hair is a kind of sunbleached brown, maybe she will turn out not to have been stolen by gypsies either.
Cant even find it now on Sky....
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by lj on 23.10.13 15:52

I really think we should start mass producing the "I am certified not Maddie" buttons.

Egg on faces?? I hope these parents sue everyone involved, and personally I would include the McCanns in that. "Facilitating child endangerment" or so. They'll understand, they are good in making up accusations.

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by Guest on 23.10.13 16:01

@lj wrote:I really think we should start mass producing the "I am certified not Maddie" buttons.
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Look at JD's avatar. S/he's a member here. It's a badge with "I am not Maddie". Don't stare at me, you'll frighten me" ...
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by PeterMac on 23.10.13 17:01

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by stillsloppingout on 23.10.13 17:58

@columbostogeys wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:The second child taken from parents in Ireland has been returned after DNA tests prove he was their child.
  This is unbelievable, a child taken away from parents just because it has a different hair and eye colour. What law enables them to do this? People are so ignorant and this seems to have fed on the hatred people have of 'travellers'.
  The first girl taken in Ireland has her face pixellated but her hair is a kind of sunbleached brown, maybe she will turn out not to have been stolen by gypsies either.
Cant even find it now on Sky....
They are all false claim's. The Greek girl will turn out to have been given to the family by a poor person who couldn't afford to bring her up. I posted to the Mail .
" who leaked / reported these cases to the media ? ."
 The answer is ,who were the people who immediately benefitted linking there plight to the story?
 A The McCann's.
It perfectly fits there agenda, even when the claims are ALL proved false , the concept is now ingrained in people s minds . 
This first story was given to the Media IMO via Scotland yard ,( ireland's cases are just people making false judgement s )
to fit in with there agenda of finding a way of exonerateing them and creatinga believable scenario to boot. Nice work ...
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by petunia on 23.10.13 21:07

@stillsloppingout wrote:
@columbostogeys wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:The second child taken from parents in Ireland has been returned after DNA tests prove he was their child.
  This is unbelievable, a child taken away from parents just because it has a different hair and eye colour. What law enables them to do this? People are so ignorant and this seems to have fed on the hatred people have of 'travellers'.
  The first girl taken in Ireland has her face pixellated but her hair is a kind of sunbleached brown, maybe she will turn out not to have been stolen by gypsies either.
Cant even find it now on Sky....
They are all false claim's. The Greek girl will turn out to have been given to the family by a poor person who couldn't afford to bring her up. I posted to the Mail .
" who leaked / reported these cases to the media ? ."
 The answer is ,who were the people who immediately benefitted linking there plight to the story?
 A The McCann's.
It perfectly fits there agenda, even when the claims are ALL proved false , the concept is now ingrained in people s minds . 
This first story was given to the Media IMO via Scotland yard ,( ireland's cases are just people making false judgement s )
to fit in with there agenda of finding a way of exonerateing them and creatinga believable scenario to boot. Nice work ...
Slopping out I agree with the first part of your post,but in imo TM jumped on this story as soon has it became breaking new.

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by tiredofthebs on 23.10.13 23:28

@ChippyM wrote:The second child taken from parents in Ireland has been returned after DNA tests prove he was their child.
  This is unbelievable, a child taken away from parents just because it has a different hair and eye colour. What law enables them to do this? People are so ignorant and this seems to have fed on the hatred people have of 'travellers'.
  The first girl taken in Ireland has her face pixellated but her hair is a kind of sunbleached brown, maybe she will turn out not to have been stolen by gypsies either.
I can't understand this either. There is no law that I know of that will sanction this. The police do not even have the right to ask for ID unless they have reasonable cause to suspect a crime is being committed.

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by plebgate on 24.10.13 0:15

I heard a news report on tv said the parents are very angry.   No doubt solicitors will be brought in now about this.

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by lj on 24.10.13 1:53

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Thanks PeterM and Châtelaine, I knew I had seen something like that!

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by Seek truth on 24.10.13 21:01

In Portugal on the news just now;

Maria has a brother looks just like her, a woman is claiming she gave her to them, but not for money, she's actually shouting, they're all shouting. There's a young baby with red hair, too.

Why wasn't we shown that news here!

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Has anybody seen this?

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Post by Daisy on 24.10.13 21:58


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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by Olympicana_Reloaded on 25.10.13 15:23

Maria: Bulgarian Couple Are Roma Girl's Parents

DNA tests have confirmed that a Bulgarian couple are the biological parents of Maria, the girl found in a Greek Roma camp.

"DNA samples showed that Sasha Ruseva is the biological mother and Atanas Rusev is the biological father of the child called Maria," Bulgaria's interior ministry chief of staff Svetlozar Lazarov told reporters.

Ms Ruseva has said she gave birth to a baby girl four years ago in Greece while working as an olive picker.

She said she gave the child away because she was too poor to care for her. Ms Ruseva insisted she did not get paid for giving up the girl.

However, she had reportedly told one of her neighbours that she had sold the child for the equivalent of around £213,.

She had recognised Maria, when her discovery made headlines around the world.

According to reports Mrs Ruseva, who is married and lives in the central Bulgarian town of Nikolaevo, has between eight and 10 children.

Five of those children are blonde, and even closely resemble the girl found in central Greece last week.

Maria's case came to light when Greek police noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde girl and the adults she was staying with in Athens.

Today's DNA confirmation comes after police arrested a childless couple in Greece on suspicion of buying a baby Roma girl and trying to register her as their own.

The couple were arrested in Athens after they allegedly paid a Roma woman 4,000 euros (£3,400) for the baby, a Greek police statement said.

Authorities are looking for the baby's birth parents.

The suspects, aged 53 and 48, were expected to be charged with child abduction. Under Greek law this includes cases where a minor is voluntarily given away by its parents outside the legal adoption process.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/1159714/maria-bulgarian-couple-are-roma-girls-parents

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by stillsloppingout on 25.10.13 15:43

So that's three families and NO abductions . as my post said on Wed that would be the case . 

   The McCann's  TEAM as usual were quick to associate themselves with the case [ s ]  , as per usual . ditto SY and various Police " experts " and all the other usual rabble , on TV and those who pollute letters pages .

  Now i suggest they ALL take a step back and think that as PROVEN by these revelations, stranger abduction / Kidnapping's are rare ,but when children disappear it is more often than not a family member or associate. 

  The world is a more stupid place this afternoon, realising that ALL the persons named above ,have been taken in yet again by unsubstantiated claims, just because they fit there agenda . 

But sadly as i mentioned people are stupid so the message is out there now people will think that kids are taken frequently by strangers . so i suppose job done .
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by columbostogeys on 25.10.13 15:47

@Olympicana_Reloaded wrote:Maria: Bulgarian Couple Are Roma Girl's Parents

DNA tests have confirmed that a Bulgarian couple are the biological parents of Maria, the girl found in a Greek Roma camp.

"DNA samples showed that Sasha Ruseva is the biological mother and Atanas Rusev is the biological father of the child called Maria," Bulgaria's interior ministry chief of staff Svetlozar Lazarov told reporters.

Ms Ruseva has said she gave birth to a baby girl four years ago in Greece while working as an olive picker.

She said she gave the child away because she was too poor to care for her. Ms Ruseva insisted she did not get paid for giving up the girl.

However, she had reportedly told one of her neighbours that she had sold the child for the equivalent of around £213,.

She had recognised Maria, when her discovery made headlines around the world.

According to reports Mrs Ruseva, who is married and lives in the central Bulgarian town of Nikolaevo, has between eight and 10 children.

Five of those children are blonde, and even closely resemble the girl found in central Greece last week.

Maria's case came to light when Greek police noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde girl and the adults she was staying with in Athens.

Today's DNA confirmation comes after police arrested a childless couple in Greece on suspicion of buying a baby Roma girl and trying to register her as their own.

The couple were arrested in Athens after they allegedly paid a Roma woman 4,000 euros (£3,400) for the baby, a Greek police statement said.

Authorities are looking for the baby's birth parents.

The suspects, aged 53 and 48, were expected to be charged with child abduction. Under Greek law this includes cases where a minor is voluntarily given away by its parents outside the legal adoption process.

More follows...

http://news.sky.com/story/1159714/maria-bulgarian-couple-are-roma-girls-parents
What a surprise NOT. So they were telling the truth all along. So where does that leave the couple now then?

Also when you look at the awful living conditions Marias siblings are living under she would be better staying with her Roma family. 

All that fuss and nonsene about child trafficking and snatching blonde children from their beds.
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by mouse on 25.10.13 20:02

Hello again columbostogeys - 

Just catching up with this story...Yeah, I think she should stay with the Roma family, after all that has been all she has known, since a little one. As long as the child is being cared for correctly. It would appear that the only high profile child abductors about at the moment are the authorities and this charity who still have little Maria, apparently

When will these thoughtless people, who should know better apologise?

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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by Tony Bennett on 25.10.13 20:33

The abuse of Maria

Maria will need a lot of help from here on.

Her real parents apparently abandoned her, yet have seven other siblings of hers in their care.

Maybe the parents were desperate, maybe they sold her. Perhaps we will never know the truth, since if she was sold, both parties will deny it.

Since then she has had some sort of stable life with the Roma family - though how good it has been, we can only guess.

Then she has been removed from the only home she knows by the police and into the hands of a charity.

She is with strangers.

She will be a lost and forlorn child right now, with total uncertainty about her futrue.

The story just might have a happy ending.

But it will take a great deal of love and patience from someone to help her overcome these awful beginnings to her life.


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FRONT PAGE TOMORROWS DAILY STAR

Post by stillsloppingout on 25.10.13 21:50

FRONT PAGE OF TOMORROWS DAILY STAR 

  MADDIE IS ALIVE ,   REAL REASON WHY PORTUGAL RE OPENED THE ENQUIRY .... SAYS THE FAMILY LAWYER
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by tiny on 25.10.13 21:52

@stillsloppingout wrote:FRONT PAGE OF TOMORROWS DAILY STAR 

  MADDIE IS ALIVE ,   REAL REASON WHY PORTUGAL RE OPENED THE ENQUIRY .... SAYS THE FAMILY LAWYER
If this case wasn't so serious I would laugh,the daily star has always been a comic and always will
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Post by plebgate on 25.10.13 22:07

Well if they know Maddie is alive, they must surely know who has her.   Why don't the parents insist the police get her home and not bother with a reconstruction?

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Post by mouse on 25.10.13 22:58

And sadly it is not only the parents and the little girl Maria who will could/will be traumatized by these knee jerk actions by authorities who should know better - as is their supposed trained profession. Her siblings will be very confused as to why their sister was singled out and taken from them and their family. What questions will they have, and how will they feel with the media microscope turned on them. What kind of questions do think these children and the Roma family in Ireland will have now, and how secure will they feel - knowing that the authorities have already pounced wrongly once and snatch one of them away. I know what I was like as a kid - they always say it is not violence/death in films/TV progs that cause as much trauma to a young child as when a child witnesses a storyline where a child is separated from his mother/father. For example Bambi...etc. I was in floods...

But then the media doesn't really care about real people and their futures....

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Post by stillsloppingout on 25.10.13 23:35

@tiny wrote:
@stillsloppingout wrote:FRONT PAGE OF TOMORROWS DAILY STAR 

  MADDIE IS ALIVE ,   REAL REASON WHY PORTUGAL RE OPENED THE ENQUIRY .... SAYS THE FAMILY LAWYER
If this case wasn't so serious I would laugh,the daily star has always been a comic and always will
And the reason why i am phasing out my press work for papers and mags , and setting an events company up . I am tired of all the Bull**** . 
Hand on heart i'm not submitting another image to a red top [ which isn't often these days ] ,until there is a change in there reporting . I feel grubby having any dealings with them  .
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Re: "Maddie" Found in Greece - 'Star' headline 19 Oct 2013

Post by lj on 26.10.13 4:17

@stillsloppingout wrote:So that's three families and NO abductions . as my post said on Wed that would be the case . 

   The McCann's  TEAM as usual were quick to associate themselves with the case [ s ]  , as per usual . ditto SY and various Police " experts " and all the other usual rabble , on TV and those who pollute letters pages .

  Now i suggest they ALL take a step back and think that as PROVEN by these revelations, stranger abduction / Kidnapping's are rare ,but when children disappear it is more often than not a family member or associate. 

  The world is a more stupid place this afternoon, realising that ALL the persons named above ,have been taken in yet again by unsubstantiated claims, just because they fit there agenda . 

But sadly as i mentioned people are stupid so the message is out there now people will think that kids are taken frequently by strangers . so i suppose job done .
Oh yes, the damage is done. It's amazing the disservice this conning couple has caused to the missing children. And they want to make Kate ambassador for Missing Children?? For what? To teach people how to squeeze money out of a missing, likely dead toddler? Or how to confuse the world and get people to upset families for you?

The madness really does have no end.

We are over flooded now with people talking about compassion and being humane. Why don't you start and preach to these pathetic parents, and tell them to have compassion with all those people they have hurt and damaged so much. People, as it seems now, who took better care of their children than you, McCanns!

I have always said that , whatever happened to Madeleine, these pathetic people are at the core of it.

Time for penance, pay the piper, you disgust me.

All just my opinion.

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