CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 2 DISCUSSION**** including CRIMEWATCH UPDATE (for what it was worth)
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Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
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Oh Gawd, I'm losing it, sorry, and sorry SY,@ShuBob wrote:Next month? The tweet says later in the month i.e. later THIS month (October).candyfloss wrote:Doh I'm getting cynical again, next month!!!! No rush then.
Doesn't the libel trial resume next month, and ends next month. It's now 17th October.......next month to find this man???



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Interesting. Here's another report that backs up your theory. It comes just a week after the DM article you mention above.@MoonGoddess wrote:had real problems with that last post??
@ intrigued89
the above give a couple of examples of cracks in the "pact"... I think the first link might give you a good idea... I personally think that maybe 1 or 2 know the truth, the others are just caught up in the whole mess... I think JT deliberately lied about 'bundleman', I now think she did see SC leave the tapas with his child in his arms and turned him into bundleman in order to promote the 'abduction'... in a nutshell, I think a couple got roped in early on [but not knowing what they were getting roped into.... if that makes sense?]
I believe they would definitely have cracked if they had been made official suspects.
Madeleine: Changes in evidence from Tapas Nine could 'dramatically change investigation'
Last updated at 10:04 09 November 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492193/Madeleine-Changes-evidence-Tapas-Nine-dramatically-change-investigation.html
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You're doing grand Candycandyfloss wrote:Oh Gawd, I'm losing it, sorry, and sorry SY,@ShuBob wrote:Next month? The tweet says later in the month i.e. later THIS month (October).candyfloss wrote:Doh I'm getting cynical again, next month!!!! No rush then.
Doesn't the libel trial resume next month, and ends next month. It's now 17th October.......next month to find this man???I apologise, but I am reading sooo many posts, my eyes aren't working
Thanks for pointing it out ShuBob
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Will you stop re-quoting my cock-up ShuBob
That's what speed reading does for you, I think I need to go to specsavers.

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***candyfloss wrote:Will you stop re-quoting my cock-up ShuBobThat's what speed reading does for you, I think I need to go to specsavers.
It's not your spectacles, Candyfloss. It's the amount of "information" and new posters coming left, right and center ...
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yes another interesting one Daisy.... one thing's for sure, I bet they regret ever booking that holiday!!@Daisy wrote:Interesting. Here's another report that backs up your theory. It comes just a week after the DM article you mention above.@MoonGoddess wrote:had real problems with that last post??
@ intrigued89
the above give a couple of examples of cracks in the "pact"... I think the first link might give you a good idea... I personally think that maybe 1 or 2 know the truth, the others are just caught up in the whole mess... I think JT deliberately lied about 'bundleman', I now think she did see SC leave the tapas with his child in his arms and turned him into bundleman in order to promote the 'abduction'... in a nutshell, I think a couple got roped in early on [but not knowing what they were getting roped into.... if that makes sense?]
I believe they would definitely have cracked if they had been made official suspects.
Madeleine: Changes in evidence from Tapas Nine could 'dramatically change investigation'
Last updated at 10:04 09 November 2007
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492193/Madeleine-Changes-evidence-Tapas-Nine-dramatically-change-investigation.html
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Yes if other members of the group were doing it they may have been sympathetic to their plight - justifying by saying 'We've all done it - why should they suffer any more'? - but at the same time worried about their own position.@mouse wrote:Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
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Maybe one or two of the tapas 7 know but not all of them.
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just thought I'd throw in at this point, for those that don't know, KM trained as a anaesthetist #justsaying@tasprin wrote:Yes if other members of the group were doing it they may have been sympathetic to their plight - justifying by saying 'We've all done it - why should they suffer any more'? - but at the same time worried about their own position.@mouse wrote:Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
@Mouse ...You read it in the Gaspar statements....
We planned holidays for the first week of September 2005 in Majorca, Spain, together with three other couples including Kate and Gerry. We did not know the other two couples, they were friends of Kate and Gerry’s, we had never met them before.
one of the other couples being David and Fiona Payne
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic50.html
ETA perhaps it wasn't this you were referring to as you mentioned the holiday didn't include the Mc'C's
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And if it wasn't the Mccans Idea to sedate/leave, and if they weren't the supplier of the sedative/had the idea to leave.....Guilt all round from the others, and more significant guilt from particular members of the party.@tasprin wrote:Yes if other members of the group were doing it they may have been sympathetic to their plight - justifying by saying 'We've all done it - why should they suffer any more'? - but at the same time worried about their own position.@mouse wrote:Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
Moongoddess - it might have been that article I can't remember...
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IMO they've ALL lied one way or another- either deliberately or by omission!@Pennypennypenny wrote:Maybe one or two of the tapas 7 know but not all of them.
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Ben's mum Kerry says they are `different cases' but `what's good enough for one family should be good enough for all' #McCann
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Bar Diane Webster - I think she was left out of the loop. Am I right in remembering she made a very interesting statement to the PJ@ShuBob wrote:IMO they've ALL lied one way or another- either deliberately or by omission!@Pennypennypenny wrote:Maybe one or two of the tapas 7 know but not all of them.
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On the grounds of what? That two complete wastes of money make sound economic sense at a time when public services are being cut and incompetent bankers need baling out?@ShuBob wrote:Admin please move to appropriate thread if necessary:Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Ben's mum Kerry says they are `different cases' but `what's good enough for one family should be good enough for all' #McCann
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Angela Smith MP welcomes new search for Madeleine #McCann but says Ben's family should receive same support so we have `level playing field'
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MP to ask Government to fund Madeleine #McCann style investigation into disappearance of Ben Needham from Kos in 1991
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No it's ok here ShuBob as it mentions Madeleine McCann case, but I will also copy it to Ben Needham forum@ShuBob wrote:Admin please move to appropriate thread if necessary:Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Ben's mum Kerry says they are `different cases' but `what's good enough for one family should be good enough for all' #McCann
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Angela Smith MP welcomes new search for Madeleine #McCann but says Ben's family should receive same support so we have `level playing field'
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
MP to ask Government to fund Madeleine #McCann style investigation into disappearance of Ben Needham from Kos in 1991

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It appears Angela Smith is playing shameful politics with this...A labour MP - didn't question this when Gordon Browne was taking calls from Gerry Mccan...But the Government have set presidence on this now - so it is only to be expected....And only a matter of time before another young child goes missing and a family rightfully asks - where's our spokesman, our government help and money.Popcorn wrote:On the grounds of what? That two complete wastes of money make sound economic sense at a time when public services are being cut and incompetent bankers need baling out?@ShuBob wrote:Admin please move to appropriate thread if necessary:Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Ben's mum Kerry says they are `different cases' but `what's good enough for one family should be good enough for all' #McCann
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Angela Smith MP welcomes new search for Madeleine #McCann but says Ben's family should receive same support so we have `level playing field'
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
MP to ask Government to fund Madeleine #McCann style investigation into disappearance of Ben Needham from Kos in 1991
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It may sound unsympathetic but I agree. Two wrongs unfortunately do not make a right. If it was wrong for the McCanns it's also wrong for the Needhams.Popcorn wrote:On the grounds of what? That two complete wastes of money make sound economic sense at a time when public services are being cut and incompetent bankers need baling out?@ShuBob wrote:Admin please move to appropriate thread if necessary:Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Ben's mum Kerry says they are `different cases' but `what's good enough for one family should be good enough for all' #McCann
Jerry Lawton @JerryLawton 1h
Angela Smith MP welcomes new search for Madeleine #McCann but says Ben's family should receive same support so we have `level playing field'
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MP to ask Government to fund Madeleine #McCann style investigation into disappearance of Ben Needham from Kos in 1991
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I cannot for the life of me understand why David Cameron authorised the SY investigation. What was the thinking behind it? Did he think it played well with the public?
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Don't forget their had been a 'scoping' exercise undertaken by the previous government by Alan Johnson. I think J Gamble had something to do with it, but I may be wrong.@Pennypennypenny wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why David Cameron authorised the SY investigation. What was the thinking behind it? Did he think it played well with the public?
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No. Including her IMO.@mouse wrote:Bar Diane Webster - I think she was left out of the loop. Am I right in remembering she made a very interesting statement to the PJ@ShuBob wrote:IMO they've ALL lied one way or another- either deliberately or by omission!@Pennypennypenny wrote:Maybe one or two of the tapas 7 know but not all of them.
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You are quite right.candyfloss wrote:Don't forget their had been a 'scoping' exercise undertaken by the previous government by Alan Johnson. I think J Gamble had something to do with it, but I may be wrong.@Pennypennypenny wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why David Cameron authorised the SY investigation. What was the thinking behind it? Did he think it played well with the public?
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Bu then J Gamble was gotten rid of by Theresa May - I don't think they hit if off too well - but then still went with this SY Review.....? Apologies - I should call it an investigation...?@ShuBob wrote:You are quite right.candyfloss wrote:Don't forget their had been a 'scoping' exercise undertaken by the previous government by Alan Johnson. I think J Gamble had something to do with it, but I may be wrong.@Pennypennypenny wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why David Cameron authorised the SY investigation. What was the thinking behind it? Did he think it played well with the public?
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Thank you for accepting me :) Another long time lurker. I might have made a previous account here but not too sure, I'm lousy at keeping track of things. Was posting on UK Justice Forum but it's impossible to have a decent conversation there without someone jumping on it!@mouse wrote:And if it wasn't the Mccans Idea to sedate/leave, and if they weren't the supplier of the sedative/had the idea to leave.....Guilt all round from the others, and more significant guilt from particular members of the party.@tasprin wrote:Yes if other members of the group were doing it they may have been sympathetic to their plight - justifying by saying 'We've all done it - why should they suffer any more'? - but at the same time worried about their own position.@mouse wrote:Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
Moongoddess - it might have been that article I can't remember...
Sorry, back to the topic...I could be reading this wrong but something Fiona said in her statement made me wonder if the McCann's might be sedating their children on (all) holidays but not when at home (because of Madeleine's sleeping chart on the fridge). Fiona says that on the Majorca holiday when Madeleine was only two years old and the twins six months old they slept right through the night:
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'We had a hideous time with our eldest that holiday, because she didn't sleep a wink for about two weeks, every night, so we were generally pacing around, erm, on the outside of the villa'.
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Yeah'.
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'At silly hours of the morning'.
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'And was their children'.
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'Very good'.
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'To sleep on time''
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'Absolutely, they were like model children'.
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'Sleeping through''
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'Sleeping through, much to our distaste, because ours weren't. But, yeah, I mean, they, they'd always had a really good routine and Sean and Amelie at that point were incredibly, erm, you know, I think they were sleeping through actually and I think even were sleeping past when everyone else's kids were getting up, they were sort of model babies'.
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@Jaci wrote:Thank you for accepting me :) Another long time lurker. I might have made a previous account here but not too sure, I'm lousy at keeping track of things. Was posting on UK Justice Forum but it's impossible to have a decent conversation there without someone jumping on it!@mouse wrote:And if it wasn't the Mccans Idea to sedate/leave, and if they weren't the supplier of the sedative/had the idea to leave.....Guilt all round from the others, and more significant guilt from particular members of the party.@tasprin wrote:Yes if other members of the group were doing it they may have been sympathetic to their plight - justifying by saying 'We've all done it - why should they suffer any more'? - but at the same time worried about their own position.@mouse wrote:Way, way back - don't I remember something about them saying that some of this group (not the Mccanns) had been away on holiday together before. Perhaps they had sedated/left their kids on this prev. holiday with no incidents and thought that this was the way to go on this holiday with the Mccanns - however this time it went wrong....for what ever reason...Maddie woke sedated, felt dizzy and tripped (as you can do when you awake after taking a sleeping pill or sedation) or she had a reaction to it, or neither of these but just woke up and something else happenend...but because they'd all sedated their kiddie....Perhaps they felt a cover-up was necessary as they wouldn't want the other kids tested for medication - being Doctors....Just thinking aloud.@tiny wrote:I agree to the doctors do cover up for each other,but we are talking about a 3yr old little girl, what sort of people are these tapas 7 to do a thing like that unless all the children were sedated and if they were then i can see why a cover up occurred,yep Gerry and kate have got them over a barrel if this is the case.@tasprin wrote:What ever time the abduction happened - 9.15 or 10.00 - there is still the question of sedation. Even the McCanns say the children were sedated but how did an abductor sedate three children without waking them? Oral or intravenous sedation would have woken them and chloroform would have left an unmistakable smell.
Sedation could very well be the reason for collusion. Fear of the consequences could have deterred them from bringing the little girl to a hospital. If she suffered a fatal injury whilst under the influence of sedatives one or more of them may have attempted to resuscitate her. It is not unknown for doctors to cover up for each other.
Moongoddess - it might have been that article I can't remember...
Sorry, back to the topic...I could be reading this wrong but something Fiona said in her statement made me wonder if the McCann's might be sedating their children on (all) holidays but not when at home (because of Madeleine's sleeping chart on the fridge). Fiona says that on the Majorca holiday when Madeleine was only two years old and the twins six months old they slept right through the night:
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'We had a hideous time with our eldest that holiday, because she didn't sleep a wink for about two weeks, every night, so we were generally pacing around, erm, on the outside of the villa'.
1485
Yeah'.
Reply
'At silly hours of the morning'.
1485
'And was their children'.
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'Very good'.
1485
'To sleep on time''
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'Absolutely, they were like model children'.
1485
'Sleeping through''
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'Sleeping through, much to our distaste, because ours weren't. But, yeah, I mean, they, they'd always had a really good routine and Sean and Amelie at that point were incredibly, erm, you know, I think they were sleeping through actually and I think even were sleeping past when everyone else's kids were getting up, they were sort of model babies'.

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