CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 2 DISCUSSION**** including CRIMEWATCH UPDATE (for what it was worth)

Châtelaine wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote: [...] The review / investigation was launched on the back of a particular newspaper campaign and not because there was a commitment from the Home Secretary to start one.
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I am copying this from page 7 of the thread “Operation Grange Remit”:

Châtelaine wrote:
I've just seen a FOI doc on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
which clearly demonstrates to on the very day that the Sun published McCs bombshell-letter to Cameron, May 12, 2011, Theresa May wrote a letter to Sir Paul Stephenson requesting the Met to take up the offer of the PJ to co-operate wit them on their review [started March 2011] on the McCann case ...

She mentions that
- the HO had continued to liaise with the Portuguese authorities
- the offer of of co-operation resulted from discussion between the UK ambassador and the PJ
- the request is supported  by  PM Cameron and
- the full costs will be covered by a Special Grant [HO]

and Portia’s comment:
If the Review was a 'done deal' before the pleading letter appeared on the front page of the Sun, then it suggests it was a PR exercise and a quick 'it was our idea anyway' gesture.

ultimaThule wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote: [...] The review / investigation was launched on the back of a particular newspaper campaign and not because there was a commitment from the Home Secretary to start one.
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I am copying this from page 7 of the thread “Operation Grange Remit”:

Châtelaine wrote:
I've just seen a FOI doc on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
which clearly demonstrates to on the very day that the Sun published McCs bombshell-letter to Cameron, May 12, 2011, Theresa May wrote a letter to Sir Paul Stephenson requesting the Met to take up the offer of the PJ to co-operate wit them on their review [started March 2011] on the McCann case ...

She mentions that
- the HO had continued to liaise with the Portuguese authorities
- the offer of of co-operation resulted from discussion between the UK ambassador and the PJ
- the request is supported  by  PM Cameron and
- the full costs will be covered by a Special Grant [HO]

and Portia’s comment:
If the Review was a 'done deal' before the pleading letter appeared on the front page of the Sun, then it suggests it was a PR exercise and a quick 'it was our idea anyway' gesture.

I see this letter as proof, if proof is needed, of the probability that the McCanns have been played like fish and are now caught in a net which will shortly land them in a place where they should have appeared some years ago.

ultimaThule wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote: [...] The review / investigation was launched on the back of a particular newspaper campaign and not because there was a commitment from the Home Secretary to start one.
[...]

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I am copying this from page 7 of the thread “Operation Grange Remit”:

Châtelaine wrote:
I've just seen a FOI doc on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
which clearly demonstrates to on the very day that the Sun published McCs bombshell-letter to Cameron, May 12, 2011, Theresa May wrote a letter to Sir Paul Stephenson requesting the Met to take up the offer of the PJ to co-operate wit them on their review [started March 2011] on the McCann case ...

She mentions that
- the HO had continued to liaise with the Portuguese authorities
- the offer of of co-operation resulted from discussion between the UK ambassador and the PJ
- the request is supported  by  PM Cameron and
- the full costs will be covered by a Special Grant [HO]

and Portia’s comment:
If the Review was a 'done deal' before the pleading letter appeared on the front page of the Sun, then it suggests it was a PR exercise and a quick 'it was our idea anyway' gesture.

I see this letter as proof, if proof is needed, of the probability that the McCanns have been played like fish and are now caught in a net which will shortly land them in a place where they should have appeared some years ago.

Okeydokey wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:

Châtelaine wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote: [...] The review / investigation was launched on the back of a particular newspaper campaign and not because there was a commitment from the Home Secretary to start one.
[...]

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I am copying this from page 7 of the thread “Operation Grange Remit”:

Châtelaine wrote:
I've just seen a FOI doc on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
which clearly demonstrates to on the very day that the Sun published McCs bombshell-letter to Cameron, May 12, 2011, Theresa May wrote a letter to Sir Paul Stephenson requesting the Met to take up the offer of the PJ to co-operate wit them on their review [started March 2011] on the McCann case ...

She mentions that
- the HO had continued to liaise with the Portuguese authorities
- the offer of of co-operation resulted from discussion between the UK ambassador and the PJ
- the request is supported  by  PM Cameron and
- the full costs will be covered by a Special Grant [HO]

and Portia’s comment:
If the Review was a 'done deal' before the pleading letter appeared on the front page of the Sun, then it suggests it was a PR exercise and a quick 'it was our idea anyway' gesture.

I see this letter as proof, if proof is needed, of the probability that the McCanns have been played like fish and are now caught in a net which will shortly land them in a place where they should have appeared some years ago.

Yes - now it begins to make sense.  That seems a very reasonable explanation of why the McCanns wanted a UK-based investigation.

ultimaThule wrote:"why is it taking them so long to line all the ducks up?

Because no agency wants to run the risk of an acquital when the perpetrators of heinous crimes are brought to account.

Despite the fact that it was within the McCanns' power to request the PJ to re-open their investigation, until very recently KM was complaining that no police force was searching for Madeleine.  Now she's got 2 on the case, with NSY's investigation alone having cost £6million and rising, one of her 'friends' has made it known to the press that the PJ 'aren't pulling their weight'.   It occurs to me that some people always have to find fault with others in order to disguise their own failings.

IMO while her parents are alive KM will not 'crack' and by the time they've joined the choir invisible the cement on her revised position of  'wronged victim of miscarriage of justice', resplendent with same old pizza hat, will be too firmly set for her to take a sledgehammer to it - and more especially when doing so will cause any vestige of sympathy she may attract from those too blind to see the ruthlessness behind the mask to dissipate and the oxygen of publicity to evaporate.

Also IMO, if some haven't already shown their eagerness to avoid or reduce any potential loss, it's precisely those who have the most to lose who will prove to be the most co-operative but, personally, I wouldn't want to see any individual in this sorry saga who has colluded in hiding and distorting the truth to go unpunished.   As I suspect my opinion in this respect is shared by others, this may be a contributing factor in the length of time it is taking to get the ducks lined up in a place where they can't be shot out of the water.

It seems a wee laddie from a secondary school is on a steep learning curve which is intended to dissaude him from any notion that he is as clever as he believes himself to be and which will provide time for him to reflect on the fact that, in the eyes of those movers and shakers who have the power to shape society, he's never been anything other than expendable.

ultimaThule wrote:Why are you of the opinion that KM is the 'weakest link', Woburn?

As neither the McCanns or the chums showed themselves to be overly concerned with the physical welfare of their very young offpsring back in 2007, I see no reason to believe that they've become any more caring about the wellbeing of their growing children.

ultimaThule wrote:Why are you of the opinion that KM is the 'weakest link', Woburn?

As neither the McCanns or the chums showed themselves to be overly concerned with the physical welfare of their very young offpsring back in 2007, I see no reason to believe that they've become any more caring about the wellbeing of their growing children.

Woburn_exile wrote:

ultimaThule wrote:Why are you of the opinion that KM is the 'weakest link', Woburn?

As neither the McCanns or the chums showed themselves to be overly concerned with the physical welfare of their very young offpsring back in 2007, I see no reason to believe that they've become any more caring about the wellbeing of their growing children.

Because she panics when she is asked something out of the blue that she hasn't been coached on the official answer. Say for example GA wins out at the libel trial. The goes on some tv programme or other (you know the ones where women sit on sofas and cooch up to each other). Say for example she is being interviewed by Sonia Poulton:

SP Hello Kate, you look really lovely today by the way and I loved reading you book again. Kate the most harrowing moment was when you went back to the bedroom and suddenly found the curtains open. That must have been awful for you:empathy:   .

KM Yes  well erm you know suddenly whoosh door slam whoosh poor Madeleine whoosh missing whoosh shutters forced whoosh jemmied open erm whoosh  etcetc.  

SP well I've just read GAs book and his forensic team which have the same methods as in use by us and the PJ officially record that the window was opened from the inside probably by you? They can't all be wrong can't they? .

KM   Don't you think you should be asking the Pj  about this erm shutters opened afterward by abductor whoosh clunk madeleine taken .

SP Well now that you're here we just want a yes or no answer to these 3 Questions.
Kate:empathy:  when yo see madeleine in your minds eye today do you see:

A.

B.

C.

Which one is it Kate, only you have the answer.

Châtelaine wrote:

ultimaThule wrote: [...] "There's still gullible out there who will send them MONEY in envelopes" and there's also the less than gullible who have no doubt been making donations in a currency that cannot be used to buy goods, services, and pizza hats

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Going through some old stuff, I recently found two 50 francs banknotes. Is that an idea ... ?

russiandoll wrote:
I find it incredible that a father would not recall this part of the evening one week later.

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      Fr Hubbard bears a resemblance to one of the e fits.


       eta I don't think he is Smithman, just pointing out the likeness and that imo an o.k. looking but with no outstanding features  [ height-wise, hair-wise. glasses-wise],so unremarkable man, was used for the PdL walkabout.

 Then imo texted an all systems go for the raising of the alarm, once he knew that he had been seen carrying a child not too far from the scene of the crime.

Garrincha wrote:Just occurred to me, imo: the “Martin Brunt lookalike” E-Fit could be Russell O’Brien

russiandoll wrote:The face of a man on a mission as contrasted with the faces of 2 people scared sh**less imo.  Only one showing it though. Yes, Gerry, your suspicions are correct. That man IS a clever chap.

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bobbin wrote:

russiandoll wrote:The face of a man on a mission as contrasted with the faces of 2 people scared sh**less imo.  Only one showing it though. Yes, Gerry, your suspicions are correct. That man IS a clever chap.

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Don't they look daft too, grown people like that still holding hands, and in front of a senior policeman. Oh, the body language is eloquence itself.