Re: Where was Gerry 9,30 - 10.00pm?

by Vicky87 13.05.14 1:06

Only just found out about this football comment..and wow. How come a big deal hasn't been made of this? 5/10 minutes isnt long enough to be gone for Kate to be moaning about him watching footie?

by worriedmum 13.05.14 9:13

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I may be missing something (no surprise if I am) but I can't see any significance in the timing of 9.15 in the articles about the 1st anniversary. This is of course when Jane Tanner claimed she said the Egg Man. Matt Oldfield didn't notice Madeleine on his visit at 9.30 and then Kate made the discovery around 10.

Now of course we know after all this time that Jane saw someone who had nothing to do with the "abduction"......

When did Gerry have his 'proud father moment'?

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by whatliesbehindthesofa 13.05.14 9:38

worriedmum wrote:
When did Gerry have his 'proud father moment'?
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] 9.15 onwards

On a side note, I've mentioned before that I believe that within the line:

Gerry McCann looks at room. A ? Door open to bedroom.

'A' stands for 'Abductor'.

by joyce1938 13.05.14 10:45

We can infact look and read all they wrote down etc etc. and I fear you can not believe all that they are telling about that last night. so its lots of energy taken up by this ,yes its understandable .I just don't feel there is enou. It seems we have been over and over all this ,and still cant take what is said and timings to be valuable . joyce1938.

by Woofer 13.05.14 12:06

joyce1938 wrote:We can infact look and read all they wrote down etc etc. and I fear you can not believe all that they are telling about that last night. so its lots of energy taken up by this ,yes its understandable .I just don't feel there is enou. It seems we have been over and over all this ,and still cant take what is said and timings to be valuable . joyce1938.

I agree Joyce - the list was manufactured to fit something IMO - so it can`t be given any credence.

by suzyjohnson 15.05.14 16:48

tigger wrote:' and there is no doubt that not being here at that moment, increased the risk of it....'

Well Gerry, if you'd been there at that moment, it wouldn't have happened.
I hope he doesn't diagnose his patients using the same searing logic

Is the above quote exactly what Gerry said?

If there is any truth in the comment, (it doesn't seem to apply to an abduction) however what it does seem to tell us is that, the McCanns were not present at the moment that 'it' happened.

Then we have Kate's comment, 'I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children alone ....' [which actually an abduction would have been] '...... I know 'it' happened under other circumstances'

My guess is an accident whilst Gerry was at tennis and Kate was taking a shower at just after 6 pm on the 3rd.

by suzyjohnson 15.05.14 16:51

Vicky87 wrote:Only just found out about this football comment..and wow. How come a big deal hasn't been made of this? 5/10 minutes isnt long enough to be gone for Kate to be moaning about him watching footie?

There's so many comments like this Vicky87 that SY don't appear to be taking any notice of.

by suzyjohnson 15.05.14 16:59

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I may be missing something (no surprise if I am) but I can't see any significance in the timing of 9.15 in the articles about the 1st anniversary. This is of course when Jane Tanner claimed she said the Egg Man. Matt Oldfield didn't notice Madeleine on his visit at 9.30 and then Kate made the discovery around 10.

Now of course we know after all this time that Jane saw someone who had nothing to do with the "abduction"......

It does prove, as though we didn't know this already, that the McCanns really, really wanted to pin the abduction time down to 9.15 pm.

If the McCann's story were genuine you would assume that, even though 9.15 pm looked to them like a possible abduction time, that they would still want to keep the time frame open to include the possibility that the abduction occurred at any time between 9.10 pm until 10 pm. The same with Tannerman, why was he promoted and the Smithman efits withheld?

by suzyjohnson 15.05.14 17:22

Mirage said, 'Ages ago I'm sure I read that when the group were all flying about "searching" one of the women - possibly RM - had made to check the stairwell, whereupon she met, I think it was FP, descending the steps and saying there was no need for her to go up there, she'd already checked. I've looked through the statements several times since but could never find that ref again. But it really stuck in my mind that those steps/patio were a no-go area at that point. Does anyone else have a recollection of this? I'm sure I didn't dream it'

Not sure but I think it was Jane Tanner talking to Fiona Payne outside Jane's apartment just after 10 pm, this is from Jane's rogatory interview,

' ...... as you come into the flats there’s sort of a passageway and there’s flats above so there’s a roof and there’s a passageway, it’s really badly described, but they came running along there and they were shouting ‘Madeleine’ and they were like looking in the stairwell and what have you. And Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’ .......'

by Guest 15.05.14 17:24

What I don't understand is that JT beat her self up about seeing Tannerman and not doing anything at the time.
And then we have GM not beating himself up about also being there at the time and not looking up the road and seeing his daughter being "abducted".
He has said words to the effect that they were not there at the "moment". But according to OFM and the persistence of TM he was there. Apparently.

by Cristobell 15.05.14 19:22

dantezebu wrote:What I don't understand is that JT beat her self up about seeing Tannerman and not doing anything at the time.
And then we have GM not beating himself up about also being there at the time and not looking up the road and seeing his daughter being "abducted".
He has said words to the effect that they were not there at the "moment". But according to OFM and the persistence of TM he was there. Apparently.

I don't think they beat themselves up about any of their actions, and that was one of the things that always irked me. They should have used their 'mistake' to warn other parents, not bring back child listening services such as those used in 1950's Butlins, and all those who leapt to the parents' defence by saying we do it/we've done it, should hang their heads in shame. Leaving 3 toddlers under the age of 4 in a strange apartment is an accident waiting to happen. That is why no-one, absolutely no-one, (are you listening Lorraine?), should advocate that leaving tots alone and going down the pub is Ok, and that we all do it.

The danger is not abduction, in fact the chances of abduction are probably a billion to one. The chances of 3 walking talking toddlers having an accident in an apartment they are not familiar with furniture they are not familiar with, are off the scale, in racing terms, it would be a dead cert. Madeleine was known to get up and go to her parents bed, we can only imagine her fear when she woke up and no-one was there and no-one was answering her cries. Its hard to imagine how terrifying it must have been for a child of that age to wake up and wander around a strange apartment in the dark, perhaps climbing up to look out of the window to see if she could spot her parents. It infuriates me that the neglect issue is so casually brushed aside - on the Tuesday night, they did not check on the kids for over an hour and a quarter - a long, long time for a distressed child.

The lesson to be learned from this case was not that there are bogeymen lurking on every corner, but that leaving toddlers and babies on their own is child endangerment!

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