NEW E-Fits?- Express Maddy: Pictures of new suspect

Mina76 wrote:...earlier this year, I was around them for a number of days. I won't say where because I do respect people's privacy, whoever or whatever they may be.
Being a follower but not an avid follower of the case, it did not click who they were at first, until I saw them together (that annoying thing where you are familiar with the faces, but couldn't immediately place them). The first thing I said to my OH was how cold and penetrating GM's eyes were and how unfortunate it was that he always looked like he had a rather smug smirk. The instant I saw these e-fits I said that they are two different views of GM. He has a wide square jaw from straight on that can make his face seem 'fat' or wide, but actually if he lowers or turns, he has quite a pointy chin. It's the hairline, the eyes and the mouth.  

ConcernedCitizen wrote:

Mina76 wrote:...earlier this year, I was around them for a number of days. I won't say where because I do respect people's privacy, whoever or whatever they may be.
Being a follower but not an avid follower of the case, it did not click who they were at first, until I saw them together (that annoying thing where you are familiar with the faces, but couldn't immediately place them). The first thing I said to my OH was how cold and penetrating GM's eyes were and how unfortunate it was that he always looked like he had a rather smug smirk. The instant I saw these e-fits I said that they are two different views of GM. He has a wide square jaw from straight on that can make his face seem 'fat' or wide, but actually if he lowers or turns, he has quite a pointy chin. It's the hairline, the eyes and the mouth.  

Yes exactly, that was my initial thought too.  As the 2 e-fits are of the same man you need to look at them together.  (If you view them as separate entities, then it's easy to conclude a resemblance to other people).  I'm surprised the police who issued these e-fits did not provide a composite image.  

Prof. Peter Hancock of the University of Stirling has just provided animations of the e-fits, including a composite version.  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]  The composite does show a strong likeness to GM, although the ears are not right, but then that seems to be the last thing people tend to notice.  Since the BBC airing of the Crimewatch Appeal, several people have called in to give the same name for the e-fit man ... let's see what comes of this.

PeterMac wrote:And now we learn that the e-fits have been in the hands of the McCanns for the last 5 YEARS.
Who has been hindering the search now ?

russiandoll wrote:Re the e fits, I posted a link yesterday evening to a  C4 news item with Jon Snow. I stated that if it were true it was very significant and I believe that it is. Although the CW programme did not state where they were discovered, Redwood made a comment about these 2 e fits of the Smith sighting being around for a long time, only now was their significance clear or words to that effect.

 Snow, if he made an error, did not afaik correct it and so far there has been no statement from SY refuting this claim, in the way they have denied certain things in the media recently.

I put it on this thread, it was moved to keep similar posts in one place, I will direct you to it asap.

 It was good to hear this from Snow, ITV are saying today that PJ dismissed it and are to blame for the 6 year delay.

  IT IS ON P 2 OF THE THREAD FOR NEW MEMBERS WITH INFO ABOUT THE SMITH SIGHTING.

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russiandoll wrote:Re the e fits, I posted a link yesterday evening to a  C4 news item with Jon Snow. I stated that if it were true it was very significant and I believe that it is. Although the CW programme did not state where they were discovered, Redwood made a comment about these 2 e fits of the Smith sighting being around for a long time, only now was their significance clear or words to that effect.

 Snow, if he made an error, did not afaik correct it and so far there has been no statement from SY refuting this claim, in the way they have denied certain things in the media recently.

I put it on this thread, it was moved to keep similar posts in one place, I will direct you to it asap.

 It was good to hear this from Snow, ITV are saying today that PJ dismissed it and are to blame for the 6 year delay.

  IT IS ON P 2 OF THE THREAD FOR NEW MEMBERS WITH INFO ABOUT THE SMITH SIGHTING.

Here it is RD...

quote="russiandoll"]CHANNEL 4 NEWS ITEM RE E FITS SITTING AROUND FOR 5 YEARS AND NOT HANDED TO PORTUGUESE INVESTIGATORS


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russiandoll wrote:Re the e fits, I posted a link yesterday evening to a  C4 news item with Jon Snow. I stated that if it were true it was very significant and I believe that it is. Although the CW programme did not state where they were discovered, Redwood made a comment about these 2 e fits of the Smith sighting being around for a long time, only now was their significance clear or words to that effect.

 Snow, if he made an error, did not afaik correct it and so far there has been no statement from SY refuting this claim, in the way they have denied certain things in the media recently.

I put it on this thread, it was moved to keep similar posts in one place, I will direct you to it asap.

 It was good to hear this from Snow, ITV are saying today that PJ dismissed it and are to blame for the 6 year delay.

  IT IS ON P 2 OF THE THREAD FOR NEW MEMBERS WITH INFO ABOUT THE SMITH SIGHTING.

jozi wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And now we learn that the e-fits have been in the hands of the McCanns for the last 5 YEARS.
Who has been hindering the search now ?

Really, where did you hear that ?

Woofer wrote:

jozi wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And now we learn that the e-fits have been in the hands of the McCanns for the last 5 YEARS.
Who has been hindering the search now ?

Really, where did you hear that ?

Jon Snow said it on Ch4 news last night - its still available to watch.

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At 22.36.  I think its only available for 24 hours.

ShuBob wrote:

Woofer wrote:

jozi wrote:

PeterMac wrote:And now we learn that the e-fits have been in the hands of the McCanns for the last 5 YEARS.
Who has been hindering the search now ?

Really, where did you hear that ?

Jon Snow said it on Ch4 news last night - its still available to watch.

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At 22.36.  I think its only available for 24 hours.

Thanks for the link.

Will the PIs now face charges of perverting the course of justice for sitting on the information? Will the McCanns explain why they did nothing with the information?

Truthmustout wrote:Mccann has added the new E fit to their homepage, as a external front page, but they still havent removed the Jane Tanner sighting that is now dissmissed by the police. Thats misleading, and since they added the new pictures, no excuse for not removing the old one that is identified...

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PeterMac wrote:

Truthmustout wrote:Mccann has added the new E fit to their homepage, as a external front page, but they still havent removed the Jane Tanner sighting that is now dissmissed by the police. Thats misleading, and since they added the new pictures, no excuse for not removing the old one that is identified...

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But bundleman, spottyman, measleman,  cooperman, and all those who allegedly fitted that description, ( including dead paedos in Germany) and all the rest now MUST be removed, since they were all part of the same TANNER conspiracy, stupidity, mistake.
There is now only Smith-man.
SY say so, so it must be true.

The fact that he looks like Gerry is irrelevant.

Mina76 wrote:I think I'm suffering from information blindness having spent too much time reading through the forum! I read somewhere that the McCanns have sat on these descriptions/ e-fits.... why did the PJ not make them public? Apologies but not finding the answer....
edit.... was it the PJ who took the Smith statements or the PI?

ShuBob wrote:How does the evidence impeach the PIs?

Nereid wrote:

russiandoll wrote:Re the e fits, I posted a link yesterday evening to a  C4 news item with Jon Snow. I stated that if it were true it was very significant and I believe that it is. Although the CW programme did not state where they were discovered, Redwood made a comment about these 2 e fits of the Smith sighting being around for a long time, only now was their significance clear or words to that effect.

 Snow, if he made an error, did not afaik correct it and so far there has been no statement from SY refuting this claim, in the way they have denied certain things in the media recently.

I put it on this thread, it was moved to keep similar posts in one place, I will direct you to it asap.

 It was good to hear this from Snow, ITV are saying today that PJ dismissed it and are to blame for the 6 year delay.

  IT IS ON P 2 OF THE THREAD FOR NEW MEMBERS WITH INFO ABOUT THE SMITH SIGHTING.

I heard somewhere (I'll see if I can find it again) that the e-fits came from Private Investigators and were not handed over to the PJ.

From the Letter of Request:

VIII - Interview to NEIL BERRY, 42, MeXXXXXXXX ROXX, Surrey, SMX 7XX. He should be subject to a buccal swab and hair sample collection and asked the following questions :

* Do you confirm your previous statements to the British Police ?

* Could you provide a thorough description regarding everything you did on 3rd May, 2007, ? Indicate time and place.

* Where did you have your meals and with whom ?

*Where were you on this day between 8.30 p.m. and 10.00 p.m. ?

* At about 6.00 p.m., in particular, where were you ? Who were you with ?

* Considering the fact that you were seen by a witness, clarify what you were doing at that time next to the stairs leading to the upper floor , which are located next to the lift of Block 5 at the Ocean Club, i.e. not far from the apartment from where Madeleine McCann went missing ?

* On that occasion, did you actually pass by an Ocean Club employee that went there to pick up laundry ?

* If yes, what was the reaction like and why ?

* Do you know a man identified as RAJINDER BALU ? Who is he ? From where do you know him ? Did you travel together to Portugal ? Did RAJINDER BALU travel together with his family ?

* Explain clearly all your actions on that day between 6.00 p.m. and 11.00 p.m., namely with whom did you go to the TAPAS RESTAURANT to get food, and the kind of food you ordered, as well as the direction you took to go to the place where you ate.


* When exactly did you realise that a child was missing ? Where were you then and who were you with ?

* Any further questions deemed useful, necessary or pertinent in view of the previous replies.

* Is there any supplementary explanation that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth ?

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05-CARTAS ROGATORIAS UK Pages 30 to 32

Statement by: Neil Berry
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Date: 23rd April 2008
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I am the above mentioned person, resident at the address previously provided to the police. I have previously made two statements to the police with relation to my holidays in Portugal in April and in May (2007). I stayed at the Praia da Luz resort and was there at the time of Madeleine McCanns disappearance. I travelled to Portugal with my wife and our two children. We arrived on Saturday 28th April 2007.

Today I received a visit from two police officers from Leicestershire police with the purpose of clarifying some aspects and obtaining some information if possible. I was told that these questions came as a follow-up to a letter of request sent by the Portuguese authorities. I am conscious that my statement will be subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code as well as to English law.
I was asked whether I wanted to read my original statement in order to refresh my memory and I was granted this authorisation.

What follows are the positive replies to the questions that were put to me in the following order.

With relation to what I did on Thursday 3rd May 2007.
Given the time that had passed, my memory of this day is relatively vague. I did not leave the resort during my stay. I remember that my oldest daughter did not return to the Mark Warner Childrens Club after lunch and that we spent the afternoon together as a family.

At about 16.00 we were at the swimming pool bar within the complex. It was at this time that we had a few drinks with Raj Balu, Jayne Jensen and Anne Wiltshire, as I testified in my statement of 8th January 2008. My family returned to the apartment at about 17.000 and the four of us remained at the pool bar. I must have stayed there for another half an hour before joining my family in the apartment. When I left Jensen and Wiltshire remained at the bar. I do not remember whether Raj left with me or whether he stayed at the bar. From there I returned to my apartment and to my family.

With regard to where I took my meals and with whom:
I do not remember what we did at lunchtime on 3rd May. I only remember about the evening. I tried to reserve a table at the Tapas Bar for that night but it was fully booked. I spoke about this with Raj Balu and we decided to order a meal from the restaurant and we dined together in our apartment, as testified in my statement of 7th May 2007.

With regard to where I was at 18.00, whom I was with and the fact that I was seen by a witness at this time next to stairs and lift of block 5 of the Ocean Club:
I am not certain where I was at 18.00. It is possible that I was already in my apartment or returning from the bar. In order to arrive at my apartment I would walk along the side of the pool, crossing the stairs of block 4. If I were with someone, this person would be Raj, but as I have already said I do not remember whether I returned with him or before him. I do not remember having seen a lift in any of the apartment blocks. I was not in block 5, but had to pass by it in order to arrive at my apartment. It is possible that I was on the other side of the street opposite block five.

With relation to one of the Ocean Club employees having passed close by:
I do not remember having seen Ocean Club staff collecting dirty laundry at this hour.

With relation to where I was between 18.00 and 23.00:
After I returned to the apartment I was with my wife and children. The children went to bed at 19.00 and Raj arrived at our apartment with his family, carrying a cot for his son. We did not manage to set the cot up and I went to find a member of staff. I found a Mark Warner employee, whose name I cannot remember but she was the girlfriend of a maintenance employee called Rob. She accompanied us back to the apartment and managed to set up the cot. We put Raj's child to bed and sat down to relax and have a drink, once the children were asleep.

At about 20.00 Raj and I went to the Tapas restaurant to place our order and wait for our meal. I think that we had a drink while we waited. I do not remember exactly what we ordered but I think it included red cabbage. When we left with the meal we took the same walk back, along the pool, crossing the road back to the apartment. I think that our apartment was 4G.
I remember that at dinner that the McCanns were not at the restaurant at the time that we left and we did not see them while Raj and I were there.

Once back at the apartment we had dinner and remained there.

From 22.00 onwards all the events that took place were already described in my previous statement of 7th May 2007 and i cannot add any further information, other than that which was already added.

With regard to Rajinder Balu:
I met Raj at the welcome ceremony when we arrived at the resort on 28th April 2007. I did not travel with him and we had not met before. I got on well with him and later on we discovered that our wives had both worked for the same company. We did not normally spend the days together, but we would meet up on some evenings to dine and drink. Raj and I spent two evenings watching football matches in a local bar. I do not remember any other information or explanations that are relevant or which could in any way help this inquiry.

PeterMac wrote:

Truthmustout wrote:Mccann has added the new E fit to their homepage, as a external front page, but they still havent removed the Jane Tanner sighting that is now dissmissed by the police. Thats misleading, and since they added the new pictures, no excuse for not removing the old one that is identified...

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But bundleman, spottyman, measleman,  cooperman, and all those who allegedly fitted that description, ( including dead paedos in Germany) and all the rest now MUST be removed, since they were all part of the same TANNER conspiracy, stupidity, mistake.
There is now only Smith-man.
SY say so, so it must be true.

The fact that he looks like Gerry is irrelevant.

russiandoll wrote:Is this what you are ref to LdeB ?


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 just checked crèche sheets. JB attended am and pm sessions every day apart from 30th and 3rd....am attendance only.