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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by Nina on 30.01.17 11:35

@NickE wrote:
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@NickE wrote:Here is my youngest boy,he turned into 4 years old a week ago and he is 107cm.
Madeleine was said to be 90cm,that´s a difference of 17cm

What does this signify may I ask?
it has been discussed frequently about the girl's body size in this photo.
MBM was only 90cm high,the question is,does this size of this girls hand fit a body that is only 90cm high?
http://mybabyclinic.com/en/age-vs-weight-height-table.html

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Post by joyce1938 on 30.01.17 12:18

I do think that depending on how close the photo is taken from ,or even cropped from another ,the child would look more bulkey. When I noticedthis yesterday  as a small, i really saw abig difference ln The size.joyce1938
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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by Nina on 30.01.17 12:24

@Nina wrote:
@NickE wrote:
@Verdi wrote:
@NickE wrote:Here is my youngest boy,he turned into 4 years old a week ago and he is 107cm.
Madeleine was said to be 90cm,that´s a difference of 17cm

What does this signify may I ask?
it has been discussed frequently about the girl's body size in this photo.
MBM was only 90cm high,the question is,does this size of this girls hand fit a body that is only 90cm high?
http://mybabyclinic.com/en/age-vs-weight-height-table.html
What I have just noticed is how pronounced the knuckles and joints are of ? Madeleine ?. I put ? as I am not convinced that it is her.

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Post by Nina on 30.01.17 12:28

Compare with the Donegal photos.......

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Post by Verdi on 30.01.17 12:49

@NickE wrote:
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@NickE wrote:Here is my youngest boy,he turned into 4 years old a week ago and he is 107cm.
Madeleine was said to be 90cm,that´s a difference of 17cm

What does this signify may I ask?
it has been discussed frequently about the girl's body size in this photo.
MBM was only 90cm high,the question is,does this size of this girls hand fit a body that is only 90cm high?
OK, point taken!

Frankly I haven't got a clue whether or not it's a composite image, as I said beforehand, there are so many adulterated versions of this photograph it's impossible to tell what's true and what's false.  I can't begin to understand why team McCann would go to the bother of creating a Frankenstein image of Madeleine on a tennis court on an unconfirmed time/day - what would be the point?  If the image, like the poolside photograph, was timed and dated, then it would make perfect sense but it wasn't was it?

The only thing I can say for comparison is that judging by the other couple of 'Madeleine' photographs taken at the Ocean Club, at that stage of her development she wasn't a chubby child.

A major concern that I see is how the photograph came to be in the possession of friend Pat Perkins to enable her to circulate it on 7th May 2007, if taken sometime during the week 28thApril/3rd May on a McCann camera or a McCann friend's camera, as claimed by members of the Tapas group.

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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by JRP on 30.01.17 14:14

I didn't do centimeters at school, I don't know what 17 centimeters looks like, so I got a rule.
17 centimeters is pretty much 6 and 3/4 inches.

A tennis ball diameter is 2.59-2.70 inches, so if we find out how many tennis balls make a Madeleine... but you'd have to take into account the angle the image was taken from, and where the top of her head is under that hat.

I can't see any evidence of a cut and shunt, or head swapping Frankesteining either, but the quality isn't there to see with any great clarity.

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Post by skyrocket on 30.01.17 15:26

@JRP - from recollection, someone has had a go with the tower of tennis ball method for measuring MBM's height. Can't recall which thread it was on (someone else might remember) but it was within the last 18 months. smilie
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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by NickE on 30.01.17 18:52

@JRP wrote:I didn't do centimeters at school, I don't know what 17 centimeters looks like, so I got a rule.
17 centimeters is pretty much 6 and 3/4 inches.

A tennis ball diameter is 2.59-2.70 inches, so if we find out how many tennis balls make a Madeleine... but you'd have to take into account the angle the image was taken from, and where the top of her head is under that hat.

I can't see any evidence of a cut and shunt, or head swapping Frankesteining either, but the quality isn't there to see with any great clarity.
I wish my english was better but to clarify,
My 4 yo son is 17cm (6,29 inches) taller than Madeleine was at the time and that's why I found it interesting to compare the size of their hands.

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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by JRP on 30.01.17 19:05

@NickE wrote:
@JRP wrote:I didn't do centimeters at school, I don't know what 17 centimeters looks like, so I got a rule.
17 centimeters is pretty much 6 and 3/4 inches.

A tennis ball diameter is 2.59-2.70 inches, so if we find out how many tennis balls make a Madeleine... but you'd have to take into account the angle the image was taken from, and where the top of her head is under that hat.

I can't see any evidence of a cut and shunt, or head swapping Frankesteining either, but the quality isn't there to see with any great clarity.
I wish my english was better but to clarify,
My 4 yo son is 17cm (6,29 inches) taller than Madeleine was at the time and that's why I found it interesting to compare the size of their hands.

I understood the comparison, my point was, the only item in the photo we know the size of is the tennis balls. But to measure Madeleine against the known ball size would be inaccurate due to the angle the photo was taken, plus Madeleine's head cannot be seen under the hat.

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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by Nina on 02.02.17 20:39

Just as an aside. The hat Madeleine is wearing in this picture. If she had been running around and bending down to pick tennis balls up, as Kate tells us, then the brim wouldn't be so neatly folded back it would have flopped right down over her eyes.

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Re: Recap on the Tennis Balls photo

Post by Verdi on 04.02.17 21:16

A bit off-piste but nonetheless relevant to Madeleine photographs generally. 

Kate McCann raised the alarm about her daughters abduction at approximately 10:00pm on the night of 3rd May 2007.  Rachael Oldfield had this to say about Friday 4th May, on the subject of photographs, during her rogatory interview in April 2008..

"I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who's a friend of Gerry and Kate's, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them...."

and later she says..

 1578:   And you mentioned another guy, John CORNER

 Reply:  'Yes, he's a friend of Gerry and Kate's who was in England, I spoke to him on the phone, on Kate's phone actually'.

1578: 'Okay'.

Reply:   'That was the next morning, sort of you know, eight o'clock in the morning, that sort of time.

So, between 10:00pm on the night of Thursday 3rd May and 08:00am on the morning of Friday 4th May - that's ten hours later - the friend of the McCanns, Jon Corner, had photographs of Madeleine readily available for circulation?

Note:  This is the same Jon Corner that produced the rather unsavoury short video show casing provocative images of Madeleine to mark the anniversary of her disappearance !!!

Could this signify that Jon Corner, along with other friends and relations back in the UK, were briefed to prepare for a 10:00pm 3rd May 2007 alert well before that time?  A few days before perhaps?  Otherwise, what exactly was friend Jon Corner doing with a portfolio of Madeleine photographs?

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Post by MayMuse on 04.02.17 21:56

@Verdi wrote:A bit off-piste but nonetheless relevant to Madeleine photographs generally. 

Kate McCann raised the alarm about her daughters abduction at approximately 10:00pm on the night of 3rd May 2007.  Rachael Oldfield had this to say about Friday 4th May, on the subject of photographs, during her rogatory interview in April 2008..

"I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who's a friend of Gerry and Kate's, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them...."

and later she says..

 1578:   And you mentioned another guy, John CORNER

 Reply:  'Yes, he's a friend of Gerry and Kate's who was in England, I spoke to him on the phone, on Kate's phone actually'.

1578: 'Okay'.

Reply:   'That was the next morning, sort of you know, eight o'clock in the morning, that sort of time.

So, between 10:00pm on the night of Thursday 3rd May and 08:00am on the morning of Friday 4th May - that's ten hours later - the friend of the McCanns, Jon Corner, had photographs of Madeleine readily available for circulation?

Note:  This is the same Jon Corner that produced the rather unsavoury short video show casing provocative images of Madeleine to mark the anniversary of her disappearance !!!

Could this signify that Jon Corner, along with other friends and relations back in the UK, were briefed to prepare for a 10:00pm 3rd May 2007 alert well before that time?  A few days before perhaps?  Otherwise, what exactly was friend Jon Corner doing with a portfolio of Madeleine photographs?
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Have always had concerns about this thanks for posting. 
Why would they need any of Jon Corners photos when they had perfectly good holiday snaps on the camera they took with them, ties in with why would a younger photo be used and not the pool photo or indeed the tennis photo which  shows how Madeleine would have looked in PDL...not some younger image, unless of course it was to confuse the public or the Pj or anyone else in PDL or the OC? 

Seems they were good at pulling in a great amount of assistance from the off, but not that which would help the search for their daughter. IMO

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Post by MayMuse on 04.02.17 22:45

@Nina wrote:Compare with the Donegal photos.......
Madeleine's right hand, her thumb? Looks an odd positioned hand does anyone else see this?

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Post by joyce1938 on 04.02.17 22:55

Yes can see 4 fingers ,and maddie isholding her thumb across the hand , I believe this had been spoken about before .joyce1938
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Post by MayMuse on 04.02.17 23:04

@joyce1938 wrote:Yes can see 4 fingers ,and maddie isholding her thumb across the hand , I believe this had been spoken about before .joyce1938
Thanks Joyce1938, do not recall seeing this before, is the thread on the forum? she looks as if she may be double jointed.

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Post by Nina on 04.02.17 23:06

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@Nina wrote:Compare with the Donegal photos.......
Madeleine's right hand, her thumb? Looks an odd positioned hand does anyone else see this?
Yes it looks as though she is double jointed.

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Post by kaz on 05.02.17 10:48

@Verdi wrote:A bit off-piste but nonetheless relevant to Madeleine photographs generally. 

Kate McCann raised the alarm about her daughters abduction at approximately 10:00pm on the night of 3rd May 2007.  Rachael Oldfield had this to say about Friday 4th May, on the subject of photographs, during her rogatory interview in April 2008..

"I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who's a friend of Gerry and Kate's, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them...."

and later she says..

 1578:   And you mentioned another guy, John CORNER

 Reply:  'Yes, he's a friend of Gerry and Kate's who was in England, I spoke to him on the phone, on Kate's phone actually'.

1578: 'Okay'.

Reply:   'That was the next morning, sort of you know, eight o'clock in the morning, that sort of time.

So, between 10:00pm on the night of Thursday 3rd May and 08:00am on the morning of Friday 4th May - that's ten hours later - the friend of the McCanns, Jon Corner, had photographs of Madeleine readily available for circulation?

Note:  This is the same Jon Corner that produced the rather unsavoury short video show casing provocative images of Madeleine to mark the anniversary of her disappearance !!!

Could this signify that Jon Corner, along with other friends and relations back in the UK, were briefed to prepare for a 10:00pm 3rd May 2007 alert well before that time?  A few days before perhaps?  Otherwise, what exactly was friend Jon Corner doing with a portfolio of Madeleine photographs?




Having trouble getting my head around this little scenario. I’m presuming that if Rachael  was using Kate’s phone Kate was also in attendance. Why couldn’t Kate speak to her friend Corner re the photographs and BBC herself or was it more of a BBC phone call with Jon in attendance?  

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Post by Verdi on 05.02.17 12:52

@kaz wrote:Having trouble getting my head around this little scenario. I’m presuming that if Rachael  was using Kate’s phone Kate was also in attendance. Why couldn’t Kate speak to her friend Corner re the photographs and BBC herself or was it more of a BBC phone call with Jon in attendance?
 
Dunno but Oldfield was rather busy at the time, phoning her circle of intimate cronies back in the UK and rustling up a few very handy media contacts - the BBC being a good example.

Rachael Mampilly/Oldfield is certainly a force to reckon with - a good friend in times of trouble.  I bet she's got a tale or two to tell.

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