Brenda Ryan writes: "Don't gatecrash the Crimewatch party"
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Re: Brenda Ryan writes: "Don't gatecrash the Crimewatch party"
I agree with galena... that does sound plausible.... but I would also question whether 3A's could have been set up to gauge public opinion[MMU].... absolutely nothing would surprise me now.... nothing@tasprin wrote:I used to read that forum and remember BR's avatar which was particularly offensive. However, one other thing I do recall (I don't know if anyone else does) is that at one time there was a spate of posts from pro-McCanns making horrendous allegations about members of BR's family (the worst). I have no idea why she switched and I'm probably wrong about this but it seems to me they were out to get her one way or another. IMO the majority of the pros are connected to members of the Tapas 9 (not just the McCanns) and I doubt these accusations would have been made if BR had been a plant or a pro in disguise. Her change of heart may have been as a result of legal pressure and instead of suing her, and taking her house, they chose to make a deal with her which involved a huge public apology in writing (and produce supportive missives as and when required) in the hope that others would follow her example. IMO the Express Group was subject to a similar agreement.
I guess when 3A's went down, so did everything written on it? I remember posting something written by Russell O'Brien, it was a pdf file regarding a medical seminar or suchlike that he'd presented on 'Opiates', it contained clear instructions on how to resuscitate a child that had overdosed (ie making them vomit to eliminate the medicine).... I was stunned at how quickly that was whoosh clunked ... I wish I had the computer skills I have now, I would have saved it... I always believed his daughter being sick was induced....
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okay MRNOODLES....have I been asleep or something...where did you get that Avatar from?? Did you create it yourself or is the photo-fit in the files????????

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I can't take credit. I found it when I did an e-fit search. So it's sort of borrowed@Upsy Daisy wrote:okay MRNOODLES....have I been asleep or something...where did you get that Avatar from?? Did you create it yourself or is the photo-fit in the files????????

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Ah - I remember now. There was another forum with was mainly pro which I used to post on for a while - I remember quite a few posters having a go at her then. I didn't realise that she had changed her view though so if it was meant to make quite a stir with the internet community then I guess it didn't have the desired effect on me.@susible wrote:She originally used BJR, then decided she wasn't going to be anonymous anymore (everyone knew who she was anyway) so she changed her username to Bren (don't think she added the Ryan, but like I say everyone knew everything about her anyway, so it was a moot point)
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I really wish I had archived every single interesting thread on digispy, the mirror forums and the 3As - there was a lot of interesting stuff which I guess is now gone forever. Like you I am slightly suspicious of the 3As - I agreed with much which was posted on it but there were also some wilder theories and threads abusing the McCanns which did much to reinforce the image of evil internet trolls, which did much to discredit the forum as a whole.@MoonGoddess wrote:I agree with galena... that does sound plausible.... but I would also question whether 3A's could have been set up to gauge public opinion[MMU].... absolutely nothing would surprise me now.... nothing@tasprin wrote:I used to read that forum and remember BR's avatar which was particularly offensive. However, one other thing I do recall (I don't know if anyone else does) is that at one time there was a spate of posts from pro-McCanns making horrendous allegations about members of BR's family (the worst). I have no idea why she switched and I'm probably wrong about this but it seems to me they were out to get her one way or another. IMO the majority of the pros are connected to members of the Tapas 9 (not just the McCanns) and I doubt these accusations would have been made if BR had been a plant or a pro in disguise. Her change of heart may have been as a result of legal pressure and instead of suing her, and taking her house, they chose to make a deal with her which involved a huge public apology in writing (and produce supportive missives as and when required) in the hope that others would follow her example. IMO the Express Group was subject to a similar agreement.
I guess when 3A's went down, so did everything written on it? I remember posting something written by Russell O'Brien, it was a pdf file regarding a medical seminar or suchlike that he'd presented on 'Opiates', it contained clear instructions on how to resuscitate a child that had overdosed (ie making them vomit to eliminate the medicine).... I was stunned at how quickly that was whoosh clunked ... I wish I had the computer skills I have now, I would have saved it... I always believed his daughter being sick was induced....
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And is it big enough for you?@MRNOODLES wrote:I can't take credit. I found it when I did an e-fit search. So it's sort of borrowed@Upsy Daisy wrote:okay MRNOODLES....have I been asleep or something...where did you get that Avatar from?? Did you create it yourself or is the photo-fit in the files????????
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Just leave them then and laugh at idiots.
They don't care anyway and the twins know what they're really like, know who they are living with more than we do let's watch what they end up doing in the end.
They don't care anyway and the twins know what they're really like, know who they are living with more than we do let's watch what they end up doing in the end.
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Sorry admin is it too big? I'll change it if it is@admin wrote:And is it big enough for you?@MRNOODLES wrote:I can't take credit. I found it when I did an e-fit search. So it's sort of borrowed@Upsy Daisy wrote:okay MRNOODLES....have I been asleep or something...where did you get that Avatar from?? Did you create it yourself or is the photo-fit in the files????????
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I miss the old Mirror Forum.
While the Mirror forum was still going, there was a lot of criticism of it by the more extreme anti-McCann posters who'd left and gone to 3As - some of whom may have been deliberately sabotaging the Mirror forum perhaps. When the Mirror forum was whoosh clunked, then we had nowhere to go but 3As, but at the time it felt like joining a lunatic fringe party in some backwater to be honest, although that may sound ungrateful, because as time went on it published some excellent work you couldn't get elsewhere, such as translations of the case files. But some of the jokes / nicknames etc. on there seemed to be deliberately asking for trouble.
While the Mirror forum was still going, there was a lot of criticism of it by the more extreme anti-McCann posters who'd left and gone to 3As - some of whom may have been deliberately sabotaging the Mirror forum perhaps. When the Mirror forum was whoosh clunked, then we had nowhere to go but 3As, but at the time it felt like joining a lunatic fringe party in some backwater to be honest, although that may sound ungrateful, because as time went on it published some excellent work you couldn't get elsewhere, such as translations of the case files. But some of the jokes / nicknames etc. on there seemed to be deliberately asking for trouble.
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I don't know how extensive this is but it appears some bits were saved from 3A's.... bought back some memories :)@galena wrote:I really wish I had archived every single interesting thread on digispy, the mirror forums and the 3As - there was a lot of interesting stuff which I guess is now gone forever. Like you I am slightly suspicious of the 3As - I agreed with much which was posted on it but there were also some wilder theories and threads abusing the McCanns which did much to reinforce the image of evil internet trolls, which did much to discredit the forum as a whole.@MoonGoddess wrote:I agree with galena... that does sound plausible.... but I would also question whether 3A's could have been set up to gauge public opinion[MMU].... absolutely nothing would surprise me now.... nothing@tasprin wrote:I used to read that forum and remember BR's avatar which was particularly offensive. However, one other thing I do recall (I don't know if anyone else does) is that at one time there was a spate of posts from pro-McCanns making horrendous allegations about members of BR's family (the worst). I have no idea why she switched and I'm probably wrong about this but it seems to me they were out to get her one way or another. IMO the majority of the pros are connected to members of the Tapas 9 (not just the McCanns) and I doubt these accusations would have been made if BR had been a plant or a pro in disguise. Her change of heart may have been as a result of legal pressure and instead of suing her, and taking her house, they chose to make a deal with her which involved a huge public apology in writing (and produce supportive missives as and when required) in the hope that others would follow her example. IMO the Express Group was subject to a similar agreement.
I guess when 3A's went down, so did everything written on it? I remember posting something written by Russell O'Brien, it was a pdf file regarding a medical seminar or suchlike that he'd presented on 'Opiates', it contained clear instructions on how to resuscitate a child that had overdosed (ie making them vomit to eliminate the medicine).... I was stunned at how quickly that was whoosh clunked ... I wish I had the computer skills I have now, I would have saved it... I always believed his daughter being sick was induced....
http://msngroup.aimoo.com/madeleinemccann/threearguidos.msnw.htm
and some Mirror Forum threads...
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Mirror-Forum-Threads-1-68627
a bit hard to poke around on the sites but might appeal to some, so though I'd put it out there :)
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Re: Brenda Ryan writes: "Don't gatecrash the Crimewatch party"
I know that some people think that Bonnybraes was a pro McCann supporter all along whereas Bren was intimidated into shutting up.
I think that hell would freeze over before I agreed to stop speaking out about the injustice of this case but who knows how other people might react when confronted by bully boys and legalised thugs.
I think that hell would freeze over before I agreed to stop speaking out about the injustice of this case but who knows how other people might react when confronted by bully boys and legalised thugs.
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Thanks a lot - this brought back a lot of memories for me as well. I'd forgotten the M3 claim to bring Madeleine 'home for Christmas' (Christmas 2007) How things change@MoonGoddess wrote:I don't know how extensive this is but it appears some bits were saved from 3A's.... bought back some memories :)@galena wrote:I really wish I had archived every single interesting thread on digispy, the mirror forums and the 3As - there was a lot of interesting stuff which I guess is now gone forever. Like you I am slightly suspicious of the 3As - I agreed with much which was posted on it but there were also some wilder theories and threads abusing the McCanns which did much to reinforce the image of evil internet trolls, which did much to discredit the forum as a whole.@MoonGoddess wrote:I agree with galena... that does sound plausible.... but I would also question whether 3A's could have been set up to gauge public opinion[MMU].... absolutely nothing would surprise me now.... nothing@tasprin wrote:I used to read that forum and remember BR's avatar which was particularly offensive. However, one other thing I do recall (I don't know if anyone else does) is that at one time there was a spate of posts from pro-McCanns making horrendous allegations about members of BR's family (the worst). I have no idea why she switched and I'm probably wrong about this but it seems to me they were out to get her one way or another. IMO the majority of the pros are connected to members of the Tapas 9 (not just the McCanns) and I doubt these accusations would have been made if BR had been a plant or a pro in disguise. Her change of heart may have been as a result of legal pressure and instead of suing her, and taking her house, they chose to make a deal with her which involved a huge public apology in writing (and produce supportive missives as and when required) in the hope that others would follow her example. IMO the Express Group was subject to a similar agreement.
I guess when 3A's went down, so did everything written on it? I remember posting something written by Russell O'Brien, it was a pdf file regarding a medical seminar or suchlike that he'd presented on 'Opiates', it contained clear instructions on how to resuscitate a child that had overdosed (ie making them vomit to eliminate the medicine).... I was stunned at how quickly that was whoosh clunked ... I wish I had the computer skills I have now, I would have saved it... I always believed his daughter being sick was induced....
http://msngroup.aimoo.com/madeleinemccann/threearguidos.msnw.htm
and some Mirror Forum threads...
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/Mirror-Forum-Threads-1-68627
a bit hard to poke around on the sites but might appeal to some, so though I'd put it out there :)

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Unless... She was a plant all along, a character to make troll threats with that they could use to garner public opinion and remain in the media. Prof cass sunstein who helped to champion the 'cognitive infiltration' of forums by government and PR companies talked about countering political views by placing extremists amongst them to put off the moderates and to discredit the groups as your average joe public would not want to associate with people making threats to kidnap the twins etc etc.@MRNOODLES wrote:Is it also just a coincidence that the 3As were mentioned in the libel trial, where this threat was allegedly made that nobody can recall reading?
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Believe me I am sure there are many plants.@loopzdaloop wrote:Unless... She was a plant all along, a character to make troll threats with that they could use to garner public opinion and remain in the media. Prof cass sunstein who helped to champion the 'cognitive infiltration' of forums by government and PR companies talked about countering political views by placing extremists amongst them to put off the moderates and to discredit the groups as your average joe public would not want to associate with people making threats to kidnap the twins etc etc.@MRNOODLES wrote:Is it also just a coincidence that the 3As were mentioned in the libel trial, where this threat was allegedly made that nobody can recall reading?
I used to be a member on Amazon and several posters said they were on here and MM site playing the anti McCann when they were in fact pros and found it a hoot that they could not be outed.
Who they are I have no idea.
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I doubt that there are any long term pros on here.
They simply can't resist spitting their venom and they are quickly unplugged!
They simply can't resist spitting their venom and they are quickly unplugged!
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Don't be so sure about thatNo Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I doubt that there are any long term pros on here.
They simply can't resist spitting their venom and they are quickly unplugged!

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Well if there are any on here UP YOURS I say.@Beanie wrote:Believe me I am sure there are many plants.@loopzdaloop wrote:Unless... She was a plant all along, a character to make troll threats with that they could use to garner public opinion and remain in the media. Prof cass sunstein who helped to champion the 'cognitive infiltration' of forums by government and PR companies talked about countering political views by placing extremists amongst them to put off the moderates and to discredit the groups as your average joe public would not want to associate with people making threats to kidnap the twins etc etc.@MRNOODLES wrote:Is it also just a coincidence that the 3As were mentioned in the libel trial, where this threat was allegedly made that nobody can recall reading?
I used to be a member on Amazon and several posters said they were on here and MM site playing the anti McCann when they were in fact pros and found it a hoot that they could not be outed.
Who they are I have no idea.
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I am with you on that one.
For some reason I could not quote!
I am with you on that one.
For some reason I could not quote!
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I suspect myself that the McCanns may not have minded the 3As at first - as you say they could point at evil people slandering them on the internet - but then perhaps members got too close to the truth and it had to go.@loopzdaloop wrote:Unless... She was a plant all along, a character to make troll threats with that they could use to garner public opinion and remain in the media. Prof cass sunstein who helped to champion the 'cognitive infiltration' of forums by government and PR companies talked about countering political views by placing extremists amongst them to put off the moderates and to discredit the groups as your average joe public would not want to associate with people making threats to kidnap the twins etc etc.@MRNOODLES wrote:Is it also just a coincidence that the 3As were mentioned in the libel trial, where this threat was allegedly made that nobody can recall reading?
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There have been quite a few sh*t stirrers as well, whose modus operandi was to "out" people as moles, pro's etc just for the sheer heck of it and to make themselves look important, when the bottom line was that they didn't care a jot about what happened to Madeleine, they were only interested in self publicity. They could seem quite convincing at times, but if you dared to uncover them for the liars that they were, then you were on the list...@Beanie wrote:Believe me I am sure there are many plants.@loopzdaloop wrote:Unless... She was a plant all along, a character to make troll threats with that they could use to garner public opinion and remain in the media. Prof cass sunstein who helped to champion the 'cognitive infiltration' of forums by government and PR companies talked about countering political views by placing extremists amongst them to put off the moderates and to discredit the groups as your average joe public would not want to associate with people making threats to kidnap the twins etc etc.@MRNOODLES wrote:Is it also just a coincidence that the 3As were mentioned in the libel trial, where this threat was allegedly made that nobody can recall reading?
I used to be a member on Amazon and several posters said they were on here and MM site playing the anti McCann when they were in fact pros and found it a hoot that they could not be outed.
Who they are I have no idea.
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If that's the case then:@admin wrote:Don't be so sure about thatNo Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I doubt that there are any long term pros on here.
They simply can't resist spitting their venom and they are quickly unplugged!


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I remember the terrible upset caused by trolls to many people on 3As. One poor poster has always stuck in my mind, as he gave me some valuable internet help, he was treated appallingly, his avatar was Rat on the beam. Does anyone know if he still posts and if everything turned out ok?
I remember the terrible upset caused by trolls to many people on 3As. One poor poster has always stuck in my mind, as he gave me some valuable internet help, he was treated appallingly, his avatar was Rat on the beam. Does anyone know if he still posts and if everything turned out ok?
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Bless her, Brenda is back. She has a group on Facebook called Madeleine McCann Case - The Real Facts.
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Have you got a link please?No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Bless her, Brenda is back. She has a group on Facebook called Madeleine McCann Case - The Real Facts.
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/Madeleine.McCann.Case.The.Real.Facts/?ref=ts
It's difficult to get past the bit where she says that the myths are debunked by various sources - including Kate's book!
It's difficult to get past the bit where she says that the myths are debunked by various sources - including Kate's book!
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