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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by Snifferdog on 09.10.13 13:32

These ridiculous press releases do not come from Scotland Yard it begs the question as to why Scotland Yard are not investigating the source of the fountain of of bullshit.  IMO Pamalam found out something Huge which goes right to the top of the establishment dung heap and realised that under the present circumstances the pair would never face justice, so she retired.  IMO the pair have info (perhaps even before M's disappearance) on someone/people  the very throne (another name for lavatory).  There is so much disgusting stuff coming to light re  MP's and Others.  IMO Pamalam realised that even though many people did not believe the pair as regards to their daughter she kew that it would be diifficult to convince most that the rot is at e top.  Even if people did come to realise there is not much that can be done about the aforesaid other than a revolution.  IMO we truly are in the grip of evil times  The evidence is everywhere.

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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by jozi on 09.10.13 13:37

candyfloss wrote:Comments ARE allowed on the article from the Mail re the new e-fit  (few comments there already)..........


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2450854/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-picture-released-police.html

I love this little tit bit from that news article : " However, police are currently unsure how the man might be connected to the case and are appealing for more witnesses to come forward ".

Its probably one that's been dismissed already by the Portuguese Investigation ? Don't you just love it !!!


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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by jeanmonroe on 09.10.13 13:39

WHY are the dumbass PRESS putting all this shite in their papers?

Memo to Press:

The McCanns are trying to get you shut down via 'hacked off'!

DUH!


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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by tasprin on 09.10.13 13:46

Where did Brunt get this story of the new e-fit? Is someone leaking information prior to the Crimewatch programme. Is the culprit Spinner of the Yard, Andy Redwood, or one of his colleagues? Or a member of Team McCann?
If the E-Fit is of the slightest importance why is Crimewatch not being shown in Portugal from where the girl went missing. It is no good just appealing to tourists around the world, when it's just as likely a Portuguese local saw the person SY want to question. It's beyond bizarre.
Is there a Portuguese speaker on the forum who could contact the TV networks in Portugal to enquire if Scotland Yard ever even requested the programme to be televised there? My money is on 'No'.

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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by jozi on 09.10.13 13:46

@jeanmonroe wrote:WHY are the dumbass PRESS putting all this shite in their papers?

Memo to Press:

The McCanns are trying to get you shut down via 'hacked off'!

DUH!

jean this is what I cant understand either, don't make any sense whatsoever. Where or how does this all fit into the equation ?

Unless they will use this and claim unfair trial ?
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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by Guest on 09.10.13 14:11

@aquila wrote:For anyone who considers the MET and Crimewatch as squeaky clean look at what they did to Jacqui Hames, a Met police officer and Crimewatch presenter (I'm quoting from the Hacked Off website).

http://hackinginquiry.org/comment/the-triple-betrayal-of-jacqui-hames/

The Brooks trial is coming up.

What a sick establishment the UK has.
Thanks for link aqulila.

snipped from a comment:

The simple fact is that most of the PI world, and therefore some types of journalism, cannot operate without the corrupt assistance of police and other public servants.

A simple fact but true, imo the McCanns are part of a large scale cover up. The ones who are running the show can give people new identities, make people disappear and people appear. Money talkes, it is a defence, how are we to know that someone hasn't been paid say a million pounds to say what needs to be said, give them a new life, job done!!
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Post by Guest on 09.10.13 14:14

Madeleine McCann: Claims police will release photo of new suspect

By Matthew Champion Wednesday 9 Oct 2013 12:04 pm



Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have distanced themselves from claims they will release a new picture of a potential suspect, more than six years after she went missing.



Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the new E-Fit would be revealed on next week’s appeal by Madeleine’s parents on BBC1′s Crimewatch.



But Scotland Yard said it was not prepared to ‘discuss, comment, or speculate’ on details of the appeal.

‘This has been weeks in the planning and each element of the investigation must be set into the overall context of the appeal. We will be asking for help from the public in a number of countries, delivered through a series of public appeals,’ a Metropolitan police spokesperson said.



‘We will do nothing to jeopardise the effectiveness of these appeals and we have repeatedly stated that media speculation can be damaging to our efforts.’

The representative added that the force would ‘release the relevant material at the relevant time’.

British detectives are leading a new investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance based on fresh evidence, including mobile phone records.

Madeleine, then aged three, went missing while her parents Gerry and Kate ate dinner in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, Portugal, on May 3, 2007.



http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/09/madeleine-mccann-claims-police-will-release-photo-of-new-suspect-4140240/















My bold first line, so they have distanced themselves from Brunty's claims.  So where have they come from?
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Post by Guest on 09.10.13 14:16

ETA - Comments allowed on Metro story, only 1 comment so far.
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Post by Truthandjustice on 09.10.13 14:26

So according to the Mail the Met police have 'taken over' the investigation from the Portuguese police.  The spin has not changed since day one 'useless, incompetent PJ who don't believe what we are telling them - lets get the Brits to back us up'.   
This whole new 'substantive' evidence, a bloke hanging around... what time? The time the Mcs say she disappeared? Well that is shaky ground to start with.   If I were a bloke unlucky enough to have been on holiday in PDL at the same time as the Mcs I'd be seriously worried about being fitted into the frame picture.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.10.13 14:29

candyfloss wrote:Madeleine McCann: Claims police will release photo of new suspect

By Matthew Champion Wednesday 9 Oct 2013 12:04 pm

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have distanced themselves from claims they will release a new picture of a potential suspect, more than six years after she went missing.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the new E-Fit would be revealed on next week’s appeal by Madeleine’s parents on BBC1′s Crimewatch.

But Scotland Yard said it was not prepared to ‘discuss, comment, or speculate’ on details of the appeal.

‘This has been weeks in the planning and each element of the investigation must be set into the overall context of the appeal. We will be asking for help from the public in a number of countries, delivered through a series of public appeals,’ a Metropolitan police spokesperson said.

‘We will do nothing to jeopardise the effectiveness of these appeals and we have repeatedly stated that media speculation can be damaging to our efforts.’

The representative added that the force would ‘release the relevant material at the relevant time’.

British detectives are leading a new investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance based on fresh evidence, including mobile phone records.

Madeleine, then aged three, went missing while her parents Gerry and Kate ate dinner in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/09/madeleine-mccann-claims-police-will-release-photo-of-new-suspect-4140240/

My bold first line, so they have distanced themselves from Brunty's claims.  So where have they come from?
candyfloss, all of this is for public consumption, to influence perception, to 'spin', to shape minds, to create an impression.

No doubt it suits the BBC and Redwood to have as much advance publicty as possible for their stunt. Redwood has been carefully leaking snippets to the media via Clarence Mitchell and others for the whole two-and-a-half years, but then responds to the leaks by loftily saying: "We are making no comment".

The only other thing he does is throw out an impressive array of statistics:

- 38 men on my team

- spent £5 million

- thousands of mobile 'phones

- 31 countries

- 28 suspects or persons of interest

- no, forget that, 38 suspects or persons of interest

- scrap that, 41 persons of interest

- make that 41 persons of interest plus a bloke 'seen near the apartment'

- 195 'promising leads'

- 37,197 documents to study

- 21,713 documents studied so far

- ten visits to Portugal

- six detectives in Portugal

- six British cleaners

- Crimewatch specials in four countries...

...and so on.

All of this is to cover up the fact that absolutely nothing of substance is being done.

Possibly the most aptly named person on this forum is 'smokeandmirrors'

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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by Hicks on 09.10.13 14:40

@Snifferdog wrote:These ridiculous press releases do not come from Scotland Yard it begs the question as to why Scotland Yard are not investigating the source of the fountain of of bullshit.  IMO Pamalam found out something Huge which goes right to the top of the establishment dung heap and realised that under the present circumstances the pair would never face justice, so she retired.  IMO the pair have info (perhaps even before M's disappearance) on someone/people  the very throne (another name for lavatory).  There is so much disgusting stuff coming to light re  MP's and Others.  IMO Pamalam realised that even though many people did not believe the pair as regards to their daughter she kew that it would be diifficult to convince most that the rot is at e top.  Even if people did come to realise there is not much that can be done about the aforesaid other than a revolution.  IMO we truly are in the grip of evil times  The evidence is everywhere.
Would this.. 'something huge' involving 'someone at the top of the dung heap'...have anything to do with GM telling us that when in the church in PDL he felt like he was in a tunnel?

Having read so much this far down the line, concerning the McCann's, I am now prepared to believe anything really.
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Post by russiandoll on 09.10.13 14:56

Hicks, you are ref to a cryptic allusion to the Alma Tunnel in Paris?
 
  There have been some bloggers convinced that because G is a heart specialist and has contact with others in his field, that he has learnt something about the death of Diana and that this is his leverage. Diana died of a torn artery and was operated on by heart surgeons iirc.

 It is far fetched, but as you said, the case is so surreal you could be tempted to believe anything.

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Post by tasprin on 09.10.13 14:58

@Hicks wrote:
@Snifferdog wrote:These ridiculous press releases do not come from Scotland Yard it begs the question as to why Scotland Yard are not investigating the source of the fountain of of bullshit.  IMO Pamalam found out something Huge which goes right to the top of the establishment dung heap and realised that under the present circumstances the pair would never face justice, so she retired.  IMO the pair have info (perhaps even before M's disappearance) on someone/people  the very throne (another name for lavatory).  There is so much disgusting stuff coming to light re  MP's and Others.  IMO Pamalam realised that even though many people did not believe the pair as regards to their daughter she kew that it would be diifficult to convince most that the rot is at e top.  Even if people did come to realise there is not much that can be done about the aforesaid other than a revolution.  IMO we truly are in the grip of evil times  The evidence is everywhere.
Would this.. 'something huge' involving 'someone at the top of the dung heap'...have anything to do with GM telling us that when in the church in PDL he felt like he was in a tunnel?

Having read so much this far down the line, concerning the McCann's, I am now prepared to believe anything really.
After six years of unbelievable farce, lies and spin, people are beginning to believe that something truly shocking must have happened to warrant the mad spectacle this case has become. But, in the event we find the truth to be that the little girl was groggy with sedatives and fell from the sofa and died - and her parents fearing the consequences for their careers and reputation covered it up - nobody will be in the least bit surprised.

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Post by russiandoll on 09.10.13 15:03

Have seen nothing on BBC news [ and BBC are doing crimewatch with SY] about this e fit. It was the lead item on Sky earlier on.

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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.13 15:05


By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent

Scotland Yard is to appeal for information about a new suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Detectives are to issue an e-fit image of a man seen near the holiday apartment from where the then three-year-old vanished in 2007.

Her parents Kate and Gerry McCann have been shown the image and say they are "greatly encouraged" by the progress of the Metropolitan Police, who have effectively taken over the hunt for the missing girl.

So, they aren't suspects then?

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Post by Guest on 09.10.13 15:08

Please have a look at todays Mail. There is a very odd article on dead-people photography from Victorian times

Girl in the 6th row from the top (l) remind you of someone else, with blue mascara and black eyes?
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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.13 15:08

here appears to be some doubt as to whether it will be shown in Portugal.

How information changes. Now there is "some doubt". So, it's changed from "won't be shown" to "some doubt". But, as we have been told "confusion is good"

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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.13 15:12

This is from the horse's mouth (SY)

"The MPS will release the relevant material at the relevant time."

What have MPs got to do with Crimewatch? Can anyone enlighten me?

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Post by AndyB on 09.10.13 15:15

Metropolitan Police Service aka the Met

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Post by Ollie1 on 09.10.13 15:20

So an unidentified man was seen hanging around, so what. JT has said categorically that she saw the 'abductor' carrying Madeleine. GM was hanging around the apartment (talking to JW) at the time it was claimed Madeleine was abducted. Perhaps the witness who saw this unidentified man just didn't recognise GM! IIRC wasnt GM seen by the shutters?

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Post by Hicks on 09.10.13 15:32

russiandoll, yes, I was referring to that tunnel. It is clear that the UK establishment was/is heavily involved with the McCann's ( I have never known a government spin doctor being tasked to take control in any other case like this)

Mr Amaral tells us that British police working in Portugal at that time were 'invited' to sign documents preventing them for discussing the case. The phone calls back and forth from the McCann's to Blair/Brown.
I think that's why GM in particular acts so smug at times, it's as if he knows that they are always going to be above the law.

If governments come and go, politicians come and go yet the level of protection for these two remains the same then it would appear that the orders do come from the very top.

Remember the involvement of Prince Charles?

http://steelmagnolia-mccannarchives.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/prince-charles-website-names-suspect-in.html.

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Re: 'Substantive' evidence promised on 14 October

Post by marconi on 09.10.13 15:35

By the time the Yard archives the investigation, waiting for new evidence, all of us, including Tapas 9, will have become senile.

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Post by sweetex on 09.10.13 15:36

@marconi wrote:By the time the Yard archives the investigation, waiting for new evidence, all of us, including Tapas 9, will have become senile.
I mentioned on twitter the other day - we are all going to grow old together spin

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Post by Ayniia on 09.10.13 15:58

IMO whatever the outcome of this "crimewatch" is, the program will loose all credibility. I can't really believe of how "dumb " ( sorry but I can't find a better word ) the public is. Seriously 6 years later "new suspect ","substantive new evidence "?
Let's think... someone knew about this suspect and is only telling now?! Did this person went to the police? No, it went ( conveniently ) to a tv station or directly to the Mccanns. If the person went to the police and it's a credible lead we wouldn't know about it by the TV...
A reconstruction made in a place where the events didn't happened, how truthful can it be?!
Sorry for this little OT, I was talking with a friend this week and he said: If Madeleine is still out there alive...
So I went on saying: but there's the dogs evidence. (I went on explaining this to him).
I can't believe the dogs that helped in so many investigations with great success, were wrong in this case and ONLY in this one. Sure I could believe the dogs may be mistaken if they had just signaled ONE item . But they didn't, and all the items signaled were connected to the Mccanns. Why is it then, that SY is not even dwelling on that evidence? I don't even ask for the media to get it, but if SY is making a review of the case one thinks they should get to it at some point?
Back to "crimewatch " I'm expecting something along the lines of "Madeleine was here ". Every time there's talk about a "new suspect " I get obviously suspicious. As some of you pointed out before why wait till the program gets aired to show the efit? Also why the complete dismissal of the parents as suspects when there's no definitive proof that they were not involved in Madeleine's disappearance? Questions, questions, always and only posed by this "vile groups of online trolls " who have nothing better to do with their life's than search for the truth and justice for Madeleine .
So go ahead "crimewatch " give us a new theory ,give us a faithful reconstruction done "not in the place of the events ", give us all you want because we "vile beings " have time to comment on that and it won't even distract us from this kind of "unimportant " trial that's going on in this place you may not know or were "forbidden " to come, called Portugal.
All IMHO and I'm not sorry for the sarcastic tone of all this.

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Post by Woofer on 09.10.13 16:18

They could be rehashing the efit of the man that 2 witnesses saw hanging about outside the apartment - as in the Cutting Edge documentary.  Can`t find it on Youtube but Joana showed it recently :-

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-few-questions-on-crimewatch.html

Witness statements start about 1.30.
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