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Post by aiyoyo on 06.10.13 5:18

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British authorities say that six suspects of Maddie's disappearance are in the Algarve

Proceedings requested to Portugal will focus on these individuals, of English and Portuguese nationalities, who had already been investigated
Police is analyzing the phone records of the suspects

by Rui Pando Gomes/Ana Palma

Of the 41 suspects that the British authorities believe to have an interest towards clarifying the Maddie case, six are in the Algarve. The CM found out, that most of the proceedings, requested by the English police to the Portuguese authorities within the scope of the new investigation opened in England over Madeleine's disappearance, will focus on these individuals.

CM learned the suspects are of English and Portuguese nationalities and were in the vicinity of Praia da Luz, in Lagos, at the time of the disappearance, in May 3, 2007.

They had already been investigated by the Judiciary Police (PJ), however the British police guarantees that they have new data, following the analyses of several phone records. It will be the cross-examination of that data that the investigation, which began with the pressure of the prime minister David Cameron [see on the side], is now focusing, leading to requests of judicial cooperation sent to several European countries, among them Portugal.

In order to fulfill the request, a team of six elements from the Judiciary Police directorship of the Southern area of Portugal was deployed, to carry out all the steps asked by the British police based on Portuguese law. The National PJ Director, Almeida Rodrigues, confirmed yesterday that the Portuguese authorities received a rogatory letter from the English authorities which is "being applied in accordance to the usual process". He also stated that the existing PJ team in Porto, headed by the Superior PJ Coordinator Helena Monteiro, reviewing the process will "continue to do their job" since "the situations of children who disappear are never truly closed while it is not determined what has happened".

The Attorney General, Joana Marques Vidal, also confirmed yesterday that "there is a process in England" and that it was asked to Portugal, within the scope of international judicial cooperation, "to carry out some proceedings".

The Portuguese team will support the British unit in charge of 'Operation Grange', from the Metropolitan Police, who are reviewing all the leads.
Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.

IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.

We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.

The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.  

The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
 INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.

It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or  joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info.  History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.

The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
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Post by lj on 06.10.13 5:22

candyfloss wrote:Oh my goodness look at this.....


'The pieces of the jigsaw are now fitting together': Missing Maddie's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new mobile phone evidence as probe spreads to Holland and Germany



  • Scotland Yard trawled calls made by people staying in the holiday resort






  • The force believes evidence could shed light on Maddie's disappearance






  • A Crimewatch special this month will launch a new appeal for information










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As a result, the TV special will be aired on British, German and Dutch television.

It will feature an interview with the McCanns, while highlighting new leads uncovered by police.
The programme will also feature  a reconstruction of events in the  Portuguese resort on the night Madeleine disappeared.

However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from  taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.



Instead they have allowed filming to go ahead in neighbouring Spain, with actors playing the roles of the anguished couple.

A three-year-old child actress, bearing a striking similarity to their daughter, will double as Madeleine.
Crimewatch editor Joe Mather said: ‘We are very hopeful this major reconstruction, along with the substantial new lines of enquiry, will prompt viewers with vital information to get in touch with officers in the studio.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2446173/The-pieces-jigsaw-fitting-Missing-Maddies-parents-greatly-encouraged-new-mobile-phone-evidence-probe-spreads-Holland-Germany.html#ixzz2gtHpV6oC


wft  (My bold in snipped piece)
So not only do they have close ties, they have been given the power to ban or allow.

The never cleared persons of interest.

They get everything they demanded years ago.

It's not indecent, it's obscene.

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Post by uppatoffee on 06.10.13 5:45

Well there was no way they could have a reconstruction in Praia as then people would actually see that the whole thing was utter nonsense, the apartment couldn't be seen from the tapas bar, that it wasn't really like dining in your back garden etc etc

I can only hope this is a Philpott style set up by the police. However I'm not hopeful.
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Post by ultimaThule on 06.10.13 6:10

Perhaps not, lj - https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t7916-national-pj-director-almeida-rodrigues-and-attorney-general-joana-marques-vidal-comment-on-the-maddie-case

Reading between the lines, it seems highly improbable the PJ will allow any reconstruction to be enacted on their turf unless it is on their terms and I get the distinct impression that any request to film yet another advertisement soliciting donations to the McCanns' personal bank account FindMadeleine.com.Ltd in Portugal is unlikely to be given the necessary stamp of approval.

So, poor old Spain has the dubious privilege of seeing its sunny shores and delightful scenery serve as a backdrop to the forthcoming K&G Show.  I wonder which unsuspecting seaside town drew the short lucky straw and whether any UK police officers found it necessary to linger on the nearest golf course after the set was struck?
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Post by aiyoyo on 06.10.13 6:24

@uppatoffee wrote:Well there was no way they could have a reconstruction in Praia as then people would actually see that the whole thing was utter nonsense, the apartment couldn't be seen from the tapas bar, that it wasn't really like dining in your back garden etc etc

I can only hope this is a Philpott style set up by the police. However I'm not hopeful.
More likely an official recon without Portuguese's approval cant be done in Portugal, not when the case is shelved.
A simple reason like that, and MET's idea to have it done in Spain, but someone twisted that info.
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Post by Ribisl on 06.10.13 6:52

@Woofer wrote:
@jd wrote:
@Woofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truth
Yep realise that but thought it was worth a discussion. For starters  I didn't realise that using voicemail prevented the contact being detected.  And the info about RMs mobile in the 14 minute period. Its off topic on this thread so wondered if you'd mentioned it before on another thread.
There is a thread based on phone analysis done by Kikoraton

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3365-the-tapas-phone-autopsy?highlight=phone+analysis

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Post by Ribisl on 06.10.13 7:13

@aiyoyo wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.

IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.

We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.

The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.  

The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
 INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.

It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or  joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info.  History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.

The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
I share your view on this that the prosecution, if and when it happens, will be brought in the UK by the SY.

This reconstruction is not meant to be what the PL wanted ie the McCanns and T7 retracing their whereabouts and movements on the night of the supposed abduction. I think this one would also involve the earlier days of their stay in PDL when Madeleine was last seen alive by independent witnesses which could narrow down the real timeline with regards her disappearance. Couldn't it be that the actions of the 3rd are considered less important because they already know that that part was a cover-up? Otherwise filming a reconstruction at another location makes no sense at all.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.10.13 7:57

@Ribisl wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Thanks to the Portuguese who supplied us with snippet of the facts, the picture is now clearer, to me anyway.

IMV, the Yard's Review is independent of the Portuguese, hence the remit " as if the abduction happened in the UK".
All the concerns about case not being able to be reopened in Portugal without new evidence as is minimum requirement under its judiciary system, or that the Yard's solo conclusion cannot be validated/recognised without the Portuguese concurrence since Portuguese retains primacy to the case, can all be disregarded where this Review is concerned.

We are now told "there is a process in England" (and not a joint-process as falsely perceived/believed), where the Portuguese's help were sought as necessary, naturally, since also the MET cannot interrogate people on Portuguese soil.

The way I read it- the Portuguese are not involved in a joint-review whereby every move or every action has to be taken collectively or unanimously between the two forces before the Yard can proceed to the next action, b/c this is not about leading to further/future actions under the Portuguese judiciary, so no joint decision necessary to render its validity.  

The Review is the Yard's own baby, seeking help from predominantly Portugal or any country where deemed necessary.
 INTERESTING to say the least, if not OMG sudden dawning of realisation.
It can only mean if evidence found supports a prosecution, the prosecution will be brought in UK.

It's part and parcel of investigation normal procedures that when a crime involving a missing child and/or homicide in concerned, inevitably a reconstruction and/or  joint-police-and-parents-of-the-child appeal is made urging people to come forward with info.  History and statistics have proven how this will end in most cases.
So, we shall see whether history repeats itself.

The Mccanns must have by now (if they were deluded before) realised that the Review is not about Yard helping the Portuguese to reopen"shelved" case .....to find Madeleine; but about the MET efforts ( by extension the UK government's intention) to find out what really happened to her.
I share your view on this that the prosecution, if and when it happens, will be brought in the UK by the SY.

This reconstruction is not meant to be what the PL wanted ie the McCanns and T7 retracing their whereabouts and movements on the night of the supposed abduction. I think this one would also involve the earlier days of their stay in PDL when Madeleine was last seen alive by independent witnesses which could narrow down the real timeline with regards her disappearance. Couldn't it be that the actions of the 3rd are considered less important because they already know that that part was a cover-up? Otherwise filming a reconstruction at another location makes no sense at all.
You could be right the recon may incorporate yard's new theory beyond the circumstances surrounding night of 3rd.

Again, it is just my opinion, but I think it's not legally possible for MET to do a recon on Portugal soil without collaboration with PJ and approval from Portugal Judiciary Authority.
We are talking recon by Police force of another jurisdiction, for a crime committed in Portugal falling under Portugal jurisdiction.
The case is not closed, the Portuguese still retain the lead primacy over it, there would be legal constraints now, and future legal complications for Portuguese to endorse such a project taken by another Police force on Portuguese soil.  The same reason it cant be aired in Portugal I would imagine, I stand correctly of course.

No Judiciary authority of any country will accept reconstruction of Police Force from another jurisdiction, for a crime under their own jurisdiction, else that will jeopardise and cause legal complications for the country should it reopens the case on new evidence.

Legal wise, a recon in Portugal cannot be done unless the case is reopen, and it does not look as if the MET are working with the Portuguese to that end.
That could only mean there isn't any new evidence.  

The new MET refer to  must be old given new eyes, new working over, new meaning, all done under an ongoing process in UK for actions or otherwise under UK jurisdiction.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.10.13 7:58

This is the 3rd top story on the BBC website tbhis morning.

As the Crimewatch programme is the BBC's, we can expect top coverage of madeleine's disappearance on the BBC this week:

Madeleine McCann's parents 'greatly encouraged' by new inquiry

[PICTURE: Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve in 2007, aged three Continue reading the main story]

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann have said they are "greatly encouraged" by new information about their daughter's disappearance.

Madeleine was three when she went missing in Portugal, in May 2007.

A reconstruction of events surrounding her disappearance will be broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch on 14 October.

Kate and Gerry McCann said "pieces of the jigsaw" had started fitting together since Scotland Yard opened its own investigation in July.

Police have said the Crimewatch appeal, which will also be broadcast in the Netherlands and Germany, is based on the "latest, most detailed understanding" of events.

It comes after police said phone records may be key to the case.

Officers from the Metropolitan Police are analysing data from phones belonging to people who were in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine's disappearance. They say 41 people of interest have been identified.

Madeleine, from Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing from a holiday apartment as her parents dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends at the Algarve resort.

Her parents said: "We are greatly encouraged by new information coming to light with pieces of the jigsaw now fitting together.

"We're really hopeful the forthcoming Crimewatch appeal will bring further new evidence which will take us a step closer to finding Madeleine and to bringing those responsible for her abduction to justice."

'Hold the key'

The Metropolitan Police also said they hoped the reconstruction would produce new lines of inquiry.

Detectives, who have interviewed 442 people as part of their investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - are attempting to track down as many people present in the Portuguese resort around 3 May 2007, when Madeleine disappeared, as possible.

Senior investigating officer, Det Ch Insp Andy Redwood, said: "We now believe we have the most complete picture to date of the events surrounding her disappearance.

"We are making targeted and new appeals for help from the public.

Police issued a computer-generated image (r) of how Madeleine might have looked aged nine

"I truly believe there are people out there who hold the key to Madeleine's disappearance, and that so far they may be completely unaware of that fact."

A three-year-old actress will play Madeleine in the Crimewatch reconstruction. A small production team from the programme spent a week filming abroad for the new appeal.

The McCanns and Mr Redwood will also speak to presenter Kirsty Young live in the studio.

The Portuguese investigation officially closed in July 2008, but authorities are backing the Scotland Yard inquiry and officers from both countries will work together pursuing new leads.

The Metropolitan Police now has a team of six Portuguese detectives based in Faro who are carrying out inquiries on its behalf.

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Post by Nereid on 06.10.13 9:36

Belgian press: 
 
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1277/Verdwijning-Maddie/article/detail/1717581/2013/10/06/Ouders-Maddie-bemoedigd-door-nieuw-onderzoek.dhtml
 
With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011
 

 
And an interesting description of Madeleine's last picture:
 

 
"Madeleine McCann enkele weken voor haar verdwijning. © afp."
(Madeleine a few weeks before her disappearance.)

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Post by russiandoll on 06.10.13 9:54

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Post by JackieL on 06.10.13 10:12

@tasprin wrote:The McCanns have BANNED the reconstruction from taking place in Portugal!!!

So the McCanns are running the £5m taxpayer funded Scotland Yard investigation - not the police. Oh well, should've guessed.

Please, please, somebody make this stop.  Just can't take any more of this spin. spin spin spin spin spin spin

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Post by plebgate on 06.10.13 10:20

Seems odd really that this reconstruction is not going to be shown to the Portugese people - after all, Maddie could still be in a hellish lair there.

Are we to take it that SY have discounted this theory from their top tec?

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Post by Guest on 06.10.13 10:22

@Nereid wrote:Belgian press: 
 
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1277/Verdwijning-Maddie/article/detail/1717581/2013/10/06/Ouders-Maddie-bemoedigd-door-nieuw-onderzoek.dhtml
 
With a picture of the devastated couple during their visit to the Netherlands in 2011
 

 
And an interesting description of Madeleine's last picture:
 

 
"Madeleine McCann enkele weken voor haar verdwijning. © afp."
(Madeleine a few weeks before her disappearance.)
That chair reminds me of a throne; the royal couple should have donned crowns as well as their good quality wristbands.

As for the other photo, make that a "few months" before her disappearance and that will I think be correct.

If it is true that the McCanns have had the authority to ban the reconstruction from taking place anywhere other than the original crime scene, they really are on a level with royalty.
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Post by plebgate on 06.10.13 10:24

I think they are above the Royal Family, even Princess Anne has been in the dock - speeding. Mind you I did read that the police officer who stopped her didn't get very far career wise afterwards.


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Post by russiandoll on 06.10.13 10:29

The McCanns are not running any show apart from their PR show.

 They do not have the power to interfere in a police investigation. The UK authorities and Portuguese authorities have had to act in accordance with what is allowed under a foreign jurisdiction for the kind of reconstruction proposed in that country.

 We will see a drama- documentary and interwoven with that scene of apartments and poolside bar in Spain will be some kind of computer based scenario with the distances and timings of PdL... imo.

 Otherwise it is just a drama and of no value to any police investigation.

It will not be taken seriously by anyone watching

 To be called a reconstruction it must demonstrate what was said to have happened that night with all things in place. weather conditions, seating arrangements, who left where and when.

Who saw what and when.

 
We will know soon enough I guess!

 It is a beautiful Autumn morning so I am out with the dogs for lots of fresh air. My favourite time of year when it is mild with a hint of a nip in the air, sunshine and all those stunning colours.
 
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Post by Guest on 06.10.13 10:39

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/04/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-mobile-phone-data

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?
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Post by Hicks on 06.10.13 10:42

This is incredible! Are the McCann's running the investigation? I wonder if Andy Redwood answers to them.
One thing is obvious, this libel trial has them running scared, perhaps GA will oblige and pull a few surprises out of the bag.

SY say they have built up the most complete picture to date of what happened to Madeleine, well..... That has to be one seriously confusing picture.

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Post by Upsy Daisy on 06.10.13 10:44

I actually don't think I can watch this episode of Crimewatch now, so will have to brace myself to read forum coverage.......

     anyone for a Big Mac.......McBurglar here says he has an alibi for theweek commencin 28 April 2007....him and Ronald and their pesky pals were on a cruise ship headed for the Carribean, with a swag bag full of contraband............


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Post by Woofer on 06.10.13 10:54

Cherry Blossom wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/04/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-mobile-phone-data

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?
Its absolutely scream making.  Scotland Yard used to have a good reputation - now here we have them behaving more naively than the public and actually doing an investigation based on the say-so of the prime suspects.  Whats more they have a yokel type inspector with his oo arr west country accent and not very bright demeanor telling everyone that he has a strong relationship with the McCanns - this in itself is wrong as the police should always remain impartial.

Its a massive joke IMO - all paid for by us. aaagh

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Post by russiandoll on 06.10.13 10:57

Cherry Blossom wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/04/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-mobile-phone-data

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?
 Please note the wording from the police. In no statements is the word ABDUCTED used [ despite SY KNOWING, acc to the pros, that this is what happened. In their fanatical belief in the story, they do not understand that reaching a conclusion is not the same as knowing].

 It does not appear from any statements that they have concluded this at all.
 
This is quite a mouthful, the above in bold. So much easier to avoid the awkward wording of

  WAS FOUND TO HAVE GONE.
 
by using   WAS TAKEN, WAS ABDUCTED.

Yet the awkward wording was chosen.
 This was a press conference, so prepared for, with a certain amount of leeway for spontaneity.

 Note also what is the focus :

 getting back TO THAT  VERY MOMENT AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED

 The focus is not on trailing an abductor and where the child has been taken.
 
 It is on the sudden disappearance of a girl who was seen
 and then vanished.
 The word Redwood uses constantly is DISAPPEARANCE.

 a MOMENT, and here it is qualified , THAT VERY MOMENT denotes just that.....she was there, then gone, suddenly.

 An abduction can not happen in the amount of time described above.

That person is echoing the father's words iirc....came back and found her gone?

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Post by Woofer on 06.10.13 10:58

@Ribisl wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@jd wrote:
@Woofer wrote:jd - have you posted that info on a separate thread here for discussion?
Its part of SY's new super investigation into the mobile phone calls which the mccanns are 'greatly encouraged' by....SY should be investigating all the mccanns & their friends highly suspicious mobile phone calls too. These ones lead more to the truth
Yep realise that but thought it was worth a discussion. For starters  I didn't realise that using voicemail prevented the contact being detected.  And the info about RMs mobile in the 14 minute period. Its off topic on this thread so wondered if you'd mentioned it before on another thread.
There is a thread based on phone analysis done by Kikoraton

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3365-the-tapas-phone-autopsy?highlight=phone+analysis
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Post by Guest on 06.10.13 11:03

@Woofer wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/04/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-mobile-phone-data

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"We are doing this in a focused way, working back from the moment that Madeleine was found to have gone. It is like pulling back the layers of an onion. Every hour my officers work on this case is designed to get to that very moment and find out what happened," he said.

Am I reading this right, that they are taking it from KM's version of events when she found Madeliene missing?
Its absolutely scream making.  Scotland Yard used to have a good reputation - now here we have them behaving more naively than the public and actually doing an investigation based on the say-so of the prime suspects.  Whats more they have a yokel type inspector with his oo arr west country accent and not very bright demeanor telling everyone that he has a strong relationship with the McCanns - this in itself is wrong as the police should always remain impartial.

Its a massive joke IMO - all paid for by us. aaagh
Couldn't agree more Woofer aaagh aaagh

Thanks russiandoll for going through those words
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Post by Guest on 06.10.13 11:11

Taken from twitter..........




 #McCann was happy to film their own mockumentary in Portugal, but not a police reconstruction. How strange




Good point!
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 06.10.13 11:36

candyfloss wrote:Taken from twitter..........




 #McCann was happy to film their own mockumentary in Portugal, but not a police reconstruction. How strange




Good point!
Fancied a free holiday in Spain no doubt, since they've done Rome, Holland, Sweden, USA, Portugal, Canada and god knows where - shame they didn't take the twins, but then kids on a holiday are such a hinderance, and maybe there wasn't a creche.

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