Re: CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.

by marconi 07.10.13 13:18

@tigger wrote:
@marconi wrote:
@tigger wrote:Marconi wrote:
t does not matter,I allow you to find my posts disturbing. It is your right.
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I'm relieved that we have your permission to find them disturbing, having been given that right may we also find them supremely irritating? Or is that not allowed?

This is a forum to exchange opinions, theories and information. Says it all really.
Y es, of course, Tigger, you may find my posts supremely irritating, go ahead. No problem for me at all.
If it is a forum to also exchange theories, opinions, I have mine too.
By chance they seem to be different and even the opposit to yours and to ayoyo's, but I can not see the problem. We live in a democracy, don't we?

What is irritating in my posts, if I may ask. The fact that I believe that it is not a whitewash? I can't help it. It is my belief.
The police need a concrete proof of the death,the body, not only witnesses statements.Imo, it would not be enough. The culprits would stay 3 days in the police station and freeded because of lack of concrete evidence.

For a moment, short ago, I thought it was a whitewash. But It isn't.

The reality is that we all have to wait and find out who is right and who is wrong.

all in my opinion
Marconi, I find it irritating that you think you have to give us permission to react. I rarely read your posts so the content isn't an issue. Giving permission to people - allowing them to state their opinion on open forum is an issue.

I hope that answers your question. Your English is either very good or only just passable, this is another reason I don't often read your posts. You know words like 'culprit ' and then mistake the past tense of 'freed'.
To put it in a nutshell: I don't understand why.

the word culprit comes from French, coulpable. Mea culpa, mea culpa, even protestants know this word.

Is this frum about Madeleine or about grammar?

by marconi 07.10.13 13:36

by mistake I answered explained about Tapas 7, corpse, etc on Operation Grange thread.

by aiyoyo 07.10.13 13:48

aquila wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@jozi wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:Can we please be a little more thoughtful to other posters, for some English is not their first language. We are all here because we are 'brave' enough to say that we do not believe the abduction theory. Obviously we are going to have different opinions and will express our views in different ways, but all are valid and all should be treated with respect. This is a great forum and we should welcome and encourage readers to contribute. There is no definitive conclusion to this case, therefore there is no right or wrong way to post.
I second that post Cristobell
Yes well said Cristobell.

Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, so please respect that.
Can we also respect that some seasoned members of this forum recognise disruption tactics that are possibly designed to discredit and ridicule the forum by posting ridiculous things in differing language abilities from the same poster.

I really don't care if I am banned from the forum today for my opinion on this matter. I have an issue with someone who posts death, body, corpse, SY know where the body is hidden, grave, tapas 10 (whoever they are), the T7 (that's 10 minus 3) have changed their statements and confessed without any reference to anything.

This is also the same poster who cannot seem to find a single link to anything.

If the forum thinks that this type of post should go unchallenged then that's a sad day for the forum I have been part of for two years.

I've always advocate free speech no problem with that.
I don't understand know why some others take this out of context, and turn it into a language or lack of issue, when it is not about that at all.

It's when poster harp on about body, claiming SY knows where it lies; T7's changed statement/confessed,as in MET's new evidence came from T7, his conviction a T10 exists in the equation, blah blah blah, stating them as if facts, when they seemed just over imaginative notions without rationale that's disturbing.
Definitely not a sign of someone with insider info as one poster posited, not IMO anyway.
You would recognise info as bearing insider knowledge or not by the quality of the info wouldn't you?

Because simple logic dictates that if the MET has had a helping hand from T7 or knew where about the body lies, then ask yourself why they would waste time with the costly and difficult recon, or embark on the cumbersome route of trawling phone data involving 31 countries.

You have to appreciate the sheer scale of what SY has to go through to get to the bottom of it all is such a painstaking process. And, you've to give them due credit that they possessed qualities of diligence, intelligence and wisdom that they know what they're doing. What they wouldn't be doing is go on a wild goose chase for clues when they already have in possession vital evidence extracted from the T7 through interviews, or possibly even willingness delivered to their doorsteps by the main players, as Marconi impressed upon us.

To compound the ridiculousness, Marconi said SY could be lying about the recon and trawling - HA??
Can someone explain the logic in that argument? Is that a plausible?

It's posts of this nature, stating them as if facts that is disturbing, that devalues this forum and makes us look ridiculous if not blanket laughing stock.

There I have said it. Hope it does not offend anyone or get anyone banned, I am against ban,
I just wish people debate more responsibly.

by Guest 07.10.13 13:54

Update from Police on ITV

Latest on this story
1 new update22 minutes ago
Police: 'Madeleine conclusion is not imminent'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-07/mccann-dad-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-evidence/

by aiyoyo 07.10.13 14:01

@Woofer wrote:"Can we also respect that some seasoned members of this forum recognise disruption tactics that are possibly designed to discredit and ridicule the forum by posting ridiculous things in differing language abilities from the same poster."

The very same `seasoned members` that posted vile accusations that I was a troll and was supposedly just coming here to disrupt the forum. The same `seasoned members` that attack rather than be patient or just leave well alone.

OK, that's me told off good and proper.

by jozi 07.10.13 14:08

candyfloss wrote:Update from Police on ITV

Latest on this story
1 new update22 minutes ago
Police: 'Madeleine conclusion is not imminent'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-07/mccann-dad-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-evidence/

Oh deary me, whatever happened to the arrests they were about to make ?

by plebgate 07.10.13 14:18

@jozi wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Update from Police on ITV

Latest on this story
1 new update22 minutes ago
Police: 'Madeleine conclusion is not imminent'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-07/mccann-dad-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-evidence/
Oh deary me, whatever happened to the arrests they were about to make ?

My response:
What I don't understand and as somebody posted yesterday, WHY if they have new leads don't they hold a press conference and let the public know straight away. Why couldn't they have put the Crimewatch prog. on tonight?

As for the direct appeal from the parents - yes, let's hope that the cops have body language experts watching.

I don't think I can watch this prog. Have not watched any of their mutterings in the past. Will check on here and see what the verdict is then look at the youtube links.

Would be good if a kind hearted sole could post on the forum at the time and let us know whether it is worth watching or whether it is the usual carp.

by Newintown 07.10.13 14:21

I don't where to post this so will put it here, perhaps admin can move it if necessary.

I was watching BBC1's Real Rescues earlier presented by Nick Knowles, it's a new series made this year, it shows rescues by ambulance crews, firefighters, police etc. He presents it from the emergency services headquarters where emergency staff take the phone calls.

In between showing the films of real rescues he talks to some of the staff regarding different phone calls and situations they've dealt with and one person said she had a phone call from a distraught mother who's daughter, who was 4 at the time, had gone missing. The mother said that one minute the girl was playing in the back garden then she'd just vanished. She said she'd hunted all over the house for her and couldn't find her anywhere.

However, when the police arrived and searched the house they found the girl unconscious behind the sofa. Eventually it was established that she'd climbed on the back of the sofa, slipped and banged her head on the windowsill, knocking herself out. Luckily she did recover OK.

I just thought it was strange that that particular item was shown on the programme at this time, one week before the Crimewatch programme, coincidence or not? winkwink

by DIBarlow 07.10.13 14:22

"As parents, we won't accept Madeleine is dead until we see clear evidence that that is the case," he told ITV News.
"Clearly we're encouraged. There is new evidence, and the appeals will hopefully lead to further new evidence."

What on earth is he saying?!

by plebgate 07.10.13 14:27

@DIBarlow wrote:

"As parents, we won't accept Madeleine is dead until we see clear evidence that that is the case," he told ITV News.
"Clearly we're encouraged. There is new evidence, and the appeals will hopefully lead to further new evidence."
What on earth is he saying?!

Dung.

by bobbin 07.10.13 14:29

@DIBarlow wrote:

"As parents, we won't accept Madeleine is dead until we see clear evidence that that is the case," he told ITV News.
"Clearly we're encouraged. There is new evidence, and the appeals will hopefully lead to further new evidence."
What on earth is he saying?!

Clearly he is saying that Scotland Yard have finally got evidence that Maddie is dead and he is glad to have that information because now he can accept that she is dead. ?Have I understood him properly? spin

by **Tony Bennett** 07.10.13 14:31

Here's an American take on the current Madeleine developments (about 1 mins 40 secs) - with an American reporter on the spot at Scotland Yard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47SJuOFKL2Y

It's had 12,000-plus views in less than 2 days.

All the Madeleine McCann websites, forums and blogs etc. are reporting surges in 'hits' - and Madeleine YouTube videos are also receiving hugely increased viewings

by pennylane 07.10.13 14:36

@Newintown wrote:I don't where to post this so will put it here, perhaps admin can move it if necessary.

I was watching BBC1's Real Rescues earlier presented by Nick Knowles, it's a new series made this year, it shows rescues by ambulance crews, firefighters, police etc. He presents it from the emergency services headquarters where emergency staff take the phone calls.

In between showing the films of real rescues he talks to some of the staff regarding different phone calls and situations they've dealt with and one person said she had a phone call from a distraught mother who's daughter, who was 4 at the time, had gone missing. The mother said that one minute the girl was playing in the back garden then she'd just vanished. She said she'd hunted all over the house for her and couldn't find her anywhere.

However, when the police arrived and searched the house they found the girl unconscious behind the sofa. Eventually it was established that she'd climbed on the back of the sofa, slipped and banged her head on the windowsill, knocking herself out. Luckily she did recover OK.

I just thought it was strange that that particular item was shown on the programme at this time, one week before the Crimewatch programme, coincidence or not?

I have often wondered if the McCanns found Madeleine behind the couch after they announced she was missing. It has always bothered me that Smith thought he saw Gerry McCann, and that the pale skinned child that family saw being carried was barefoot! I don't think they would have done it that way if they'd planned it all at an earlier time. It's as if she was scooped up fast and moved away from the premises. Their story seems as if it was desperately concocted after the event and backfitted. jmo.

by Newintown 07.10.13 14:42

@Hobs wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F2TfUAfRnU
At 4:19

Oh dear gerry you have put your feet in your mouth haven't you

You mention about kids cry when they are getting bathed, when they are tired, when we are doing that and then he says
" And we did wonder if that was when they were being put to bed"

The brain knows what it knows and wants to tell the truth.

So gerry, who was putting them to bed if it wasn't you and kate?
If it had been either of you then the question would never have arisen as you would have been there.

This leads to the question of if they were being put to bed in apt 5a where were you and kate and who was putting them to bed?

If you and kate were in apt 5a where were the children being put to bed and again by whom?

Sorry to come back to this so late but it's taken me 3 hours to catch up on all the threads on the forum! big grin

I can't get any sound on these youtube videos for some reason Hobs but did Gerry actually say "bed" because on the McCannfiles, there is the transcript of the interview with Dermot Murnaghan of Sky News from 1 May 08 and Gerry states "Was it when when they were bathing". The video has been deleted but all the transcript is there. It's the 3rd para down -

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id242.html

So that would indicate that the McCanns were not there when the children were being bathed and put to bed, so who did or was bathing them and putting them to bed???

by pennylane 07.10.13 14:43

McCann now top headline on Sky.

Scotland Yard Commissioner Mark Rowley says he hopes Crimewatch will produce new witnesses, but a conclusion to the case "is not imminent!"

Quelle surprise! roll

by Guest 07.10.13 14:58

Sky video is there now

http://news.sky.com/story/1151246/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-making-progress

by ShuBob 07.10.13 15:04

Cherry Blossom wrote:Sky video is there now

http://news.sky.com/story/1151246/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-making-progress

He does blink a lot does Gerry.

by Guest 07.10.13 15:09

@ShuBob wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Sky video is there now

http://news.sky.com/story/1151246/madeleine-mccann-inquiry-making-progress
He does blink a lot does Gerry.

Yes he does Shubob, I hadn't noticed it before.

Sky video been edited. really short now

by marconi 07.10.13 15:22

candyfloss wrote:Update from Police on ITV

Latest on this story
1 new update22 minutes ago
Police: 'Madeleine conclusion is not imminent'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-10-07/mccann-dad-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-evidence/

of course it is not imminent. The Yard wants a confession or otherwise the reconstruction..
all imo.

by Cristobell 07.10.13 15:27

I had exactly the same problem with no sound on Youtube Newintown. I eventually found a button for my person stuff on Youtube that had the sound turned down to 0. I moved it back up the scale and problem was solved. Hope that helps :)

by tasprin 07.10.13 15:36

I was wondering why the McCanns banned the reconstruction from being produced in Portugal. Perhaps Scotland Yard could not make an official police reconstruction in Portugal without the collaboration of the PJ and this imo may have required the reopening of the case. The McCanns do NOT want the case reopened unless it is on their terms (abduction only) so that scenario would be out of the question for them. IMO they gave a totally implausible reason ('upsetting') for dodging the SY reconstruction in Spain for similar reasons; re-enactment would have demonstrated how impossible an abduction was and if they attempted to change their official statements surely the PJ could reopen the case on that basis. It'll be interesting to see how it is all manipulated to make them look good, for public consumption (that's what will happen imo)

by jeanmonroe 07.10.13 15:38

He told Sky News he and his wife Kate were "very pleased with the work of the Metropolitan Police both during the review process and now that they have moved into an investigatory phrase.

"I think that is all that any parent would want when their child is missing.
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So why did you let the case be 'shelved' in the first place and you wife later saying that she' was GLAD the case was CLOSED' and that ' if the case is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't matter!'?

Any normal parent of a missing child would want the investigation to have never been stopped.

You and your wife were the only people that wanted it stopped.

You could have had the 'investigation' unshelved on any day in the last SIX YEARS, by writing, asking personally, for the Portuguese Authorities to re-open the case.

All it would have cost you is the price of a stamp

Indeed. you could have stopped it being 'shelved' in the first place.

But you DIDN'T!

So let's have no BS about you are happy NOW for a new investigation phase!

by **tigger** 07.10.13 15:42

candyfloss wrote:EXCLUSIVE: McCann's baffled as Portugal refuses to show Madeleine TV appeal

MADELEINE MCCANN'S parents are “baffled” why a Crimewatch appeal to help find their missing daughter will not be shown in Portugal.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 7th October 2013

Broadcasters in the country where Maddie disappeared have declined to screen the TV special, which will be aired in the UK, Holland and Germany next week.

British police are at a loss to explain why no Portuguese television company has taken up the opportunity to show the BBC programme.

They say it will feature a new theory about what happened to the then three-year-old who vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007.

It will include a reconstruction of events before her disappearance and a fresh appeal from doctor parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

UK detectives are trying to trace up to 10,000 people who were in the resort when Madeleine went missing.

They have obtained a database of every mobile phone in the area at the time and are tracing the owners across 31 countries.

Most hailed from Britain, Ireland, Germany and Holland and the Crimewatch programme, or a version of it, will be screened in all four countries.

But none of the 3,000 people who live and work in Praia da Luz will see it, leaving a giant hole in the police appeal.

Last night a source close to the McCanns told the Daily Star: “Kate and Gerry are not criticising Portugal for not running the Crimewatch show but it is rather baffling.

“The Crimewatch screening is an arrangement between the police and broadcasters.’’

Scotland Yard detectives have interviewed 442 people as part of the new £5m Operation Grange. They have identified 41 as “of interest”, including 15 Brits.

Asked why the show is not being seen in Portugal, Assistant Met Police Commissioner Mark Rowley said no broadcaster there had taken it up.

That is a matter for them,’’ he said.

Yesterday, it was revealed a barrister has told Gtr Manchester Police a man confessed to him at a party that he had met Madeleine, who would now be 10, on a Mediterranean island just “weeks ago”.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/343431/EXCLUSIVE-McCann-s-baffled-as-Portugal-refuses-to-show-Madeleine-TV-appeal

Well of course they won't show this fairy tale in the middle of a court case. It's quite shameless to even try . They've told lies about the investigation and the Portuguese people and this new work of fiction isn't likely to be an improvement on their first effort.

I expect those refusal headlines were ready to go weeks ago.

by jeanmonroe 07.10.13 15:45

Scotland Yard assistant commissioner Mark Rowley said it is hoped it will produce new witnesses, but a conclusion to the case "is not imminent".
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Well not before BBC's 'McCannwatch' programme anyway!

So that gives all those nasty people who WERE going to be arrested 'shortly' at least 7 days to effect their 'escapes'!

by Angelique 07.10.13 15:47

@jeanmonroe wrote:He told Sky News he and his wife Kate were "very pleased with the work of the Metropolitan Police both during the review process and now that they have moved into an investigatory phrase.

"I think that is all that any parent would want when their child is missing.
_______________________________________________________________

So why did you let the case be 'shelved' in the first place and you wife later saying that she' was GLAD the case was CLOSED' and that ' if the case is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't matter!'?

Any normal parent of a missing child would want the investigation to have never been stopped.

You and your wife were the only people that wanted it stopped.

You could have had the 'investigation' unshelved on any day in the last SIX YEARS, by writing, asking personally, for the Portuguese Authorities to re-open the case.

All it would have cost you is the price of a stamp

Indeed. you could have stopped it being 'shelved' in the first place.

But you DIDN'T!

So let's have no BS about you are happy NOW for a new investigation phase!

jeanmonroe

Maybe they are happy now - because they have the investigation on UK soil. This way they can manipulate it to what they want.

It will never be accepted in Portugal but they think perhaps it will clear their name here. Just saying.

CRIMEWATCH RECONSTRUCTION - However, Kate and Gerry have banned the re-enactment of their daughter’s disappearance from taking place in Portugal through fear of angering the country’s police.