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Post by worriedmum on 03.10.13 9:46

This interview was filmed in August 2007 by Jon Corner, family friend and film maker.The quote in the title appears about 3.27


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N47AUYhD4Dg
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Post by Woofer on 03.10.13 10:00

Good idea to give this its own thread.  I`d already seen it ages ago but it didn`t hit me then that it was filmed in August 2007 what 


Absolutely unbelievable.
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Post by jozi on 03.10.13 10:49

Woofer wrote:Good idea to give this its own thread.  I`d already seen it ages ago but it didn`t hit me then that it was filmed in August 2007 what 


Absolutely unbelievable.
Me neither Woofer, doesn't she look relaxed, tanned, healthy, laughing and not to have a worry in the world ??? Never, ever would you think her child had just gone missing under suspicious circumstances , just a ordinary woman enjoying her holiday and the attention she is getting being able to tell everyone and anyone about it.She evens admits it was only 3 days that their bodies were on shut down ???

But its Ok as it was not about them but the predator who must have been watching them wft 

How they have got away with this behaviour for 6 yrs is beyond me wow 
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Post by PeterMac on 03.10.13 11:25

This is very likely to be Whooshed.
Anyone who knows how to, should copy it, so it can be re-loaded


(I wonder if Corner realises how much damage he has done to the TM cause over the years ? )

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Post by Spandex on 03.10.13 11:34

Indeed how they have got away with this behavior for so long dumbfounds me I really hope that one day we will know what really happened!!

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Post by Guest on 03.10.13 11:39

Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
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Post by Guest on 03.10.13 11:55

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
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Amazing, isn't it?
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Post by bobbin on 03.10.13 12:02

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
I agree, even Kate has a large framed photo on her desk beside her, of Maddie posing @ 1.34, on full view for the filming camera. It is truly worrying whichever way you look at it.

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Post by plebgate on 03.10.13 12:10

Woofer wrote:Good idea to give this its own thread.  I`d already seen it ages ago but it didn`t hit me then that it was filmed in August 2007 what 


Absolutely unbelievable.
you know what I found unbelievable - the bit at the end when the reporter says that the Police turned up and Mrs. still sat in front of Jon Corner's camera and carried on filming. Whaaat.

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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 12:27

I'm so pleased you've begun this thread, worriedmum, and as a number of posts on the other thread have relevance to your topic I intend to copy some of them to here - below is the first:

 ultimaThule Today at 2:15 am
jeanmonroe wrote:"But what is even more intriguing is this - Why would anyone film Gerry packing the boot of what I presume is the Scenic? If I was filming anyone on a sunny day in PdL it certainly would be this scenario."
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But it didn't show what was underneath the posters!

In the spare wheel compartment UNDERNEATH the removable 'floor' the posters were piled up on.

And i might be wrong, but it was there, in the spare wheel location, that the PJ found 'something' (blood?)
You're not wrong, jeanmonroe - 'something' was indeed found by the PJ in the spare wheel compartment under the boot of the Scenic.

Everything about this particular footage of the McCanns, from Kate's tone of voice, general demeanour, and immaculate turn out, gives the impression that this is just another sunny day in the life of a couple unaffected by any tragedy who are enjoying an extended holiday abroad.

As we're told the McCanns 'invited' the camera into their home it's reasonable to assume they chose what would be filmed, from the balcony/verandah setting complete with views of the nearby lawless hills through to shots of Gerry sat in front of a computer and loading the the boot of their infamous rented car while wearing a surgical glove on his right hand.

It's as if they actively sought to capture on film moments that would be particularly meaningful to them. 

Bizarre is not the word for their behaviour, but it's the only one I can find that describes what I feel characterises the dynamic of the McCanns' marriage - and I've always been convinced that the key to understanding how and why Madeleine disappeared lies within Kate and Gerry's relationship with each other.
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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 12:34


This from  bobbin today at 10:58 am has relevance:
Angelique wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:"But what is even more intriguing is this - Why would anyone film Gerry packing the boot of what I presume is the Scenic? If I was filming anyone on a sunny day in PdL it certainly would be this scenario."
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But it didn't show what was underneath the posters!

In the spare wheel compartment UNDERNEATH the removable 'floor' the posters were piled up on.

And i might be wrong, but it was there, in the spare wheel location, that the PJ found 'something' (blood?)
jeanmunroe

Sorry late arriving back here.

Yes, do you think its something like: 

"Look here we are before any "blood,DNA, body fluid" were found, here is the boot of the car. Perfectly clean, nothing untoward, we strangely enough, filmed it when we were packing the posters just before we left for where ever - Huelva was it? Like a retrofit but before anything was suggested or found.
I believe 'retrofit' is the mot du jour. That comment about 'tiny tears' and 'nearly choked on my full English' bothers me terribly. It's suddenly put into the conversation, out of nowhere, then it's a big laugh.
I remember a big discussion at the time on one of the sites...was tiny tears a reference to Maddie, and seeing as though I had never heard the term 'Full English' I looked it up. Wished I hadn't, especially considering the McCs heavy leaning on the paedophile angle, and then wondering how blood spats, forensically matching Maddies, were found on the walls, yet all other forensic searching could find no presence of Maddie in the apartment 5A.
The fact that we are looking at 'Hey, we don't mind showing you our innocent boot'....we're happy to show Kate on the phone, saying no, the police and sniffer dogs aren't here yet. Convenient they are packing the car to go away to do some honest poster placing to help find the daughter they lost.
Nothing the McCs do is other than trying to make things fit backwards. Really worrying behaviour, but good indicators nevertheless from a 'detecting' point of view.
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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 12:40

This post by  Hobs today at 5:35 am is, IMO, essential reading:

"And at one point, Kate contemplates “the thought of living like this for another 40 years”.

This is an interesting and telling statement from kate.

Given that they both are claiming Madeleine is alive and has suffered no serious harm, that she could be found just like the recent cases of abducted children (all of who were pubescent or teenagers rather than 3 yr old toddlers) why is kate telling us she could be living like this for the next 40 years?

What is meant by living like this?

Does she mean living under a cloud of suspicion should Madeleine's remains not be found?

Does she mean in 40 years something could happen which would end the living like this?

Is she in fact telling us Madeleine is dead which contradicts all their claims both past and present, it nullifies their claims in the libel trial that Goncalo Amaral is hindering the search ( but not answering 48 questions isn't)

Her words tell me Madeleine won't be found anytime soon, she won't be found alive.

Her words tell me there is no hope for Madeleine and hasn't been since the day she allegedly vanished.

kate is feeling the strain of her guilt, the brain knows what it knows and wants to speak the truth, since she doesn't want to admit the truth directly, she instead leaks marbles thus easing  her guilt for a brief moment.
Only when she admits the truth of what happened will she feel any relief and respite from her guilt.

«They say they almost decided against going to the tapas restaurant opposite their apartment in Praia da Luz, but opted not to take the children to another restaurant, the Millennium, because of the distance.
 
Gerry says: “I think the worst thing is we kind of almost thought about not going and ... did. We weren’t sure we were going to get into the tapas.”
 
And Kate adds: “In fact we were all ... going to go up to the Millennium again – that was with the kids – which is what we did the first night.
 
“It was just, it was just because the walk was so long and we didn’t have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought we were, you know we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.”



Gerry says: “I think the worst thing is we kind of almost thought about not going and ... did. We weren’t sure we were going to get into the tapas.”

This is a weak statement
I think allows for others to think otherwise.
The worst thing is not having their child allegedly abducted, the worst thing according to gerry  was going to the tapas bar.
Qualifiers are additional words that when removed do not change the meaning of the sentence.
Here we have 2 qualifiers kind of and almost thought.
A strong statement would have been we thought about not going to the tapas bar, we went.
Instead we have kind of.
He doesn't tell us we almost thought of not going and..did, he tells us they kind of thought about it.
If he can't tell us  they thought about something we can't do it for them.

He further weakens the statement with more qualifiers almost thought
You can't almost think of doing something, you either think about it or you don't.
Here we have him not only almost thinking about something, we also have him kind of almost thinking.
Kind of is similar to doing something without actually doing the something.

 They didn't think about not going, they were going regardless.

We is used to show unity, co-operation and shared responsibility.

Given they were going at the early part of the holiday season why did they think they wouldn't be able to get into the tapas?
You may have this problem high season when there are lots of guests, early season it would be pretty empty.
Anything in the negative is sensitive, they had already made arrangements to book the tables every night that week, not being able to get in was not an option.

He doesn't tell he wasn't sure about getting into the tapas that night just that he wasn't sure they would get into the tapas.

Since the tables were all pre-booked for that week, what else could have stopped them getting into the tapas?
A dead child perhaps?


“In fact we were all ... going to go up to the Millennium again – that was with the kids – which is what we did the first night
We indicates shared co-operation, unity, shared responsibility.
Who is the WE who would be going to the millenium again?
The mccann family or the whole group, themselves and the tapas 7?

Given the tables were all pre-booked for the whole week why the change in routine?
Was there a change in routine because of a change in reality?

In fact is used to compare something in fact they were going to go to the millenium instead they went to the tapas.
Why does she feel the need to tell us they were ALL going to go to the millenium and then add the fact it would be with the kids.
If they were
ALL going then surely the kids would have been included and not added later in the sentence.
This is close, that is distancing, she distances going to the millenium from going with the kids.
Does this mean the adult perhaps were going to go to the millenium whilst the kids were left at the apartments?
The fact she introduces the kids separately from we were all indicates sensitivity.
 She also feels the need to tell us they had ALL gone to the millenium as a family on the first night making it sensitive.


“It was just, it was just because the walk was so long and we didn’t have a buggy and the kids were tired by that time and I thought we were, you know we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.”
Just is used to minimise something, here she repeats the words "it was just " twice making it sensitive.
So and because  are used to explain why something happened here we have both words  in close proximity making a cluster which makes it hightly sensitive to the subject.
This is close that is distancing.
By what time were the kids tired?
She doesn't tell us a time.
The wals was not only long it was so long making it sensitive.
She introduces not having a buggy as an excuse for not going as well as the kids being tired.
Notice the change of pronouns from we not having a buggy to I thought back to WE were and WE did talk about about going to the millenium that night.
You know is used to convince and convey, here she is trying to convince us they talked about going to the millenium.
her sentence is stilted, the expected and easier way would be to say we talked about going to the millenium, instead she tells us we did talk about going to the millenium.
What else did they talk about, apart from going to the millenium?
It is also strange when she says "
I thought we were, you know we did talk about going up to the Millennium that night.”
She stops herself mid sentence, what was she going to say after "I thought we were"
When a subject self edits it indicates sensitivity, what did she think they were going to do before changing to talking about the millenium?"


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Post by aquila on 03.10.13 13:00

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
That video leaves me sad, angry and frustrated but I remind myself that those emotions are good - they're a sound reminder of why I stay on the forum and continue to hope that the truth will out.
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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 13:21

aquila wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
That video leaves me sad, angry and frustrated but I remind myself that those emotions are good - they're a sound reminder of why I stay on the forum and continue to hope that the truth will out.
At 1.57 there's a photo of Madeleine which would appear to be more true to her age of almost 4 years than the one of their daughter in a red dress which the McCanns released to the media and used in their poster campaign.  

Maybe I'm going crosseyed after poring over hours of footage of K&G going about their business if they didn't have a care in the world but, not for the first time, it seems to me that in using the red dress photo the McCanns' didn't want their daughter found.
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Post by Guest on 03.10.13 13:27

Which photo do you mean? 1.57 is the end of the video.

I certainly think that, by issuing such conflicting photos and descriptions, the McCanns were hindering the search for their daughter so I hope that Carter-Ruck will take note and take the necessary action against these despicable people!
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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 13:35

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Which photo do you mean? 1.57 is the end of the video.

I certainly think that, by issuing such conflicting photos and descriptions, the McCanns were hindering the search for their daughter so I hope that Carter-Ruck will take note and take the necessary action against these despicable people!
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Apologies - it's the photo at 1.03, just after the shot of 'made up' Madeleine.
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Post by ultimaThule on 03.10.13 13:39

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It's the photo which appears at 1.04 to be precise
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Post by Guest on 03.10.13 13:44

That's another inappropriate one in my opinion. This is a larger version of it which, even to my untrained eye, looks photo-shopped. The hand holding the ice cream looks very strange.
 
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Maddie5-17.jpg

The expression on her face reminds me of what my mother used to say - she is too knowing for someone of her age.
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Post by aquila on 03.10.13 13:46

ultimaThule wrote:bangs head on desk

It's the photo which appears at 1.04 to be precise
There must surely have been better photographs of Madeleine than to show her sucking a lollipop.
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Post by Angelique on 03.10.13 13:54



This one with the "strange" arm. But the top or dress is actually similar to the one I think we call the skirting board one. So, yes these two would be around the same time but whether this was  the same visit to PdL no one knows.  

ETA Sorry on advice from NFWTD these may not have been taken in PdL Sad

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Post by Guest on 03.10.13 13:55

I don't think there's ever been any suggestion that these photos were taken in PDL.
 
Some people think that the really horrible one with blue eye make-up and a glassy stare might have been though.
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Post by Woofer on 03.10.13 14:29

Bit odd to be sucking a lolly and eating an ice cream at the same time.

Could be quite innocent but equally could be quite titillating to certain types.
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Post by windchime on 03.10.13 15:05

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Who can forget Jon Corner's 3rd anniversary masterpiece?
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8fU6OA6yU

Every inappropriate photo of Madeleine thrown in!
Amazing!  Never seen it before and as you say very inappropriate, they could surely have come up with some better pictures than those.

Have watched it frame by frame as I was trying to see what was written on the letters and screens.  One thing that was very clear to read and I have no idea what it has to do with MBM is at frame 0:42

It is a link to BlackBerry it looks like 800 but is probably 8000 which is a BlackBerry model released in 2006.

Why is GM looking into links regarding BlackBerry mobiles and most of these pictures for this video were taken from the original video made by Corner in Aug 2007, the one where GM is working off a table with his breakfast cereals!!
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Post by bobbin on 03.10.13 20:05

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That's another inappropriate one in my opinion. This is a larger version of it which, even to my untrained eye, looks photo-shopped. The hand holding the ice cream looks very strange.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Maddie5-17.jpg

The expression on her face reminds me of what my mother used to say - she is too knowing for someone of her age.
The paper around the base of the ice-cream is remarkably well trimmed, prepared with care, hardly looks torn. It also looks like a chocolate/vanilla wrapping whilst the ice-cream is pure white. It is unusual to see a child with a lolly and ice-cream simultaneously. The hand and arm do not belong to the photo, were badly linked, so it must have been added with 'intent to portray a certain image'.
The ice-cream itself, needs no details being spelled out, it's obvious.
If the above did not concern me enough already, what the hell is the synopsis alluding to and what on earth does Kate mean in the highlighted red bit below, accompanying the video by Jon Corner with the truly dubious new photos.

"Madeleine McCann May 2010 Appeal (Official Video)
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http://findmadeleine.com A NEW snap of Madeleine McCann as a grown up wearing make-up and jewellery has been released on the third anniversary of her disappearance.

The picture shows the Midland youngster, now aged seven, wearing blue eye shadow and a pink bow and gold necklace.

It is featured in a video which also shows footage of Gerry and Kates desperate attempts to find their daughter who vanished from their holiday apartment in Portugal on May 3 2007.

The video, produced by family friend Jon Corner, was originally shown at a fundraising event in London in January to mark the 1,000th day since the little girls disappearance.

With the Dido song Here With Me as a soundtrack, it begins with a computer graphic of the holiday complex in Praia da Luz in the Algarve where Madeleine vanished.

It goes on to show Gerry and Kate in and around Praia da Luz in the early days after their daughter went missing as they kick-started a campaign to find her.

There are also scenes of the couple answering telephone calls and sifting through emails back at home in Rothley, Leicestershire.

The film closes with the message: Thank you for not giving up on Madeleine. Together we can bring her home.

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: The video is designed to remind people that the search for Madeleine is ongoing. Just because shes not in the headlines every day doesnt mean nothing is being done. Kate and Gerry are still devoting a large part of their daily lives to the search.

Before the video was released Kate revealed how dealing with Madeleines disappearance had led her to have thoughts about being wiped out in a motorway crash with her family to end her pain.

The 42 year-old said: I used to have thoughts like well get wiped out in the car on the motorway. So it would just happen, wed all be gone, and the pain would be away. But what I do know now for sure is that I dont want that. Things have changed. I am desperate to be here with Sean and Amelie and to help find Madeleine.

She added: I also think therell be some people who would be greatly embarrassed if Madeleine was found and that scares me.

And Gerry, 41, said there were people in Portugal and Britain who were trying to hamper the couples search for their daughter. He said: There have been very poor elements of the Portuguese investigation, and at the same time its probably been one of the biggest investigations ever in Portugal.
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Post by susible on 03.10.13 21:15

"Until you're resting here" right on cue with the horrific, blue eyeshadow, recumbent, glassy eyed Madeleine...I initially totally dismissed the possibility that photo was taken in PdL, but on reflection, I do wonder if there was an extra subliminal message in that video, much like the packing the boot whilst wearing surgical gloves and Kate with her whoosh clunking, whilst appearing to be totally out of her face.  

Jon Corner always gave me the creeps, I remember when he first surfaced and quite apart from his very disturbing description of Madeleine, had said words to the effect that the story was going to be more than just about Madeleine, it was going to be about Kate and Gerry,(he wasn't wrong there) and there was a picture of him, with his weird bulging eyes and you would honestly think he'd just won a major media contract (which I suppose he had) rather than being a concerned friend, hoping to use his skills to help in any way he could.

I'll have a look and see if I can find the quote and pic I am referring to

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