2nd October - Libel trial reports and discussion *UPDATE* Gerry McCann unable to testify, must wait for Judge decision by 10th

aquila wrote:A million bucks could go a long way in boarding school/private education fees to protect the twins from the nasty media that their parents have exposed them to by not agreeing to hold this libel case in camera.

Not saying, just saying.

ETA: who knows, the Fund might already have made provision for that.

That would suit the McCanns fine!

No creche available bung them in boarding school!

Anywhere, in fact, where they don't have to actually look after them, themselves.

IMO.

rd

Thank you for posting this:

from Lying in the Sun blog  :


    the Words Spoken
 
 “I attend all the hearings”
 
                              Dr Goncalo Amaral
                             2^nd October 2013
 
The difference between Goncalo Amaral and TM is striking isn't it. 


Very good post.

I agree and I think if they could it would be the first thing they would do, but they won't, because they know that the last few standing pros will finally start to wonder just what type of parents are these, 'one lost child and then the two remaining are packed off to boarding school!'  So the twins have to stay, they are pawns on a big chess board and their lives are being overshadowed by their media attention seeking parents.  IMO

windchime wrote:I agree and I think if they could it would be the first thing they would do, but they won't, because they know that the last few standing pros will finally start to wonder just what type of parents are these, 'one lost child and then the two remaining are packed off to boarding school!'  So the twins have to stay, they are pawns on a big chess board and their lives are being overshadowed by their media attention seeking parents.  IMO

That really does depend on 'spin'.

russiandoll wrote:from Lying in the Sun blog  :


    the Words Spoken
 
 “I attend all the hearings”
 
                              Dr Goncalo Amaral
                             2^nd October 2013
 
 
Are the most meaningful of all said at the hearings in Lisbon since this trial began.
 
Quietly dignified, no pomp, no pantomime, he does indeed attend all hearings, taking his place in the Court without drama.
 
He makes no unkind, cruel or derogatory remarks to the press against Gerry or Kate McCann as he arrives at/departs the Court building.  As always, respectful and courteous to all he comes in contact with. 
 
His lawyer too, professional, articulate, good mannered.
 
The McCanns on the other hand have as ever, put on a show, a shameful display.  Their conduct not half way close to being decent.


Neither intended being witnesses in this case.   Their lawyer Isabel Duarte stating:
 
 “Kate and Gerry do not have to give evidence so they do not need to be here. I am confident of winning.”  
 
They raised this legal action – yet until last week neither planned to attend Court on ANY day! 
 
That is, neither planned to attend and give testimony.
 
Kate McCann was of course the ‘star’ on Day 1 of the trial.
 
No, she didn’t take the stand, to give evidence, to speak up for her missing child.  She chose to not keep what she had to say within the confines of the Court where it should have been heard where her case should have been put forward, in her own words.


After all, Gerry McCann said that he and Kate know best, and that is his reason for now at the eleventh hour ‘hoping’ to give evidence.
 
Speaking in Court, would have been the best place, if they were hell bent on going ahead with this ridiculous action, it is where the twin children would have received protection from the press stories – a closed Court!
 
But she chose not to protect them! 
 
This  was to be her moment, her moment on the steps of the Palace of Justice, and no one, not even the twin children would get in her way.
  
Kate McCann  was not in Portugal, to give evidence, she was not there for Madeleine, and not for justice (wouldn’t recognise justice if it jumped up and bit her ass) She was there, with her prepared speech, just waiting for the green light, the signal – to tell the waiting press, few in number - not what Kate is used to - how she had dragged herself to Portugal, was there for Madeleine, for justice, to not let Dr Goncalo Amaral his book go unchallenged!   Oh and for a possible 1 million bucks!  She forgot to mention that!
 
How very different are these two parties?
 
Dr Goncalo Amaral, ever the gentleman, Kate McCann the bitter, selfish and twisted female, so full of hate, who has lied, time and time again – her book the evidence! 
 
She has gone beyond sensible, rational or any way believable!  She and Gerry both have.
 
This latest has made them a laughing stock.   It is embarrassing to watch, to listen, to their family, who all appear to be tarred with same brush.
 
This case was a bad move – they saw ‘£’ signs and could not see beyond them.  Now, knowing they are wrong, knowing they are in too deep, but so arrogant they will not, not even for the twin children, put an end to it.


I said last week the family were queuing up to add to the harm they are causing Amelie and Sean!
 
Enter Aunty Trish Cameron…Gerry’s sister!  


Once again the twins were thrown to the wolves...the waiting press pack - ready eager to get in print the horrific headlines that would scare the living daylights out of these kids.  Headlines their parents created!


And make no mistake, the McCanns 'gave' these headlines, and freely so!


They are a disgrace all of them…


Now we have Isabel Duarte, the McCann lawyer brawling outside the Court building verbally attacking a member of the public who took a picture!
 
Well I hope Gerry and Kate McCann, Granny Healy (Kate’s mother) and Aunty Trish Cameron (Gerry’s sister) and Isabel Duarte are all feeling proud of themselves, because there are two little kids back home who won’t be!


They are the ones who have to ‘face the music’ at school, the questions posed by their friends.
 
After last week’s performance by their ‘uncle’ Michael Wright, and his shocking testimony which resulted in headlines which must have scared the wits out of these children!  And still they came!  
 
Came to add more hurt and anguish, pile it on for Amelie and Sean.
 
There are no words to describe the conduct of the McCanns, simply a disgrace beyond the comprehension of any decent individual who cares for their children.
 
Yes money is the McCann master and it drives them there is no doubt of that, but what drives them more is their self-protection, their need to be in the limelight their need to be in control.  They won’t back down despite knowing they are not being truthful, that they are so very wrong. 


For McCanns this is now about saving face.
 
Sacrificing the happiness, the wellbeing of ones own children, causing them suffering, is a price too high for any parent...seems not so with Kate and Gerry McCann!
 
They carry it out with the greatest of ease!
 
Aunty Trish told the Court of how a child at school had questioned the twins about the case…
 
If that did not put an end to this fiasco – nothing will! 
 
Kate and Gerry McCann chose to ignore the red light, the warning signs – they could have put the brakes on, but they put the foot down and went thundering through.
 
What does that say about these parents?



Their children quite obviously being harmed seems not a deterrent to the McCanns their actions and conduct  their desire for publicity taking priority.
 
They lost a child Madeleine, for which they must bear at least partial responsibility, perhaps all?  They left all three of their children alone and unprotected, vulnerable.



They had a chance to do what is right by Sean and Amelie, a second bite of the cherry, but again they put themselves before their children.


Madeleine lost her life due to the conduct of her parents.



Sean and Amelie deserve a life, as normal as is possible difficult as it may be living in the shadow of Madeleine – but that can only happen if their parents put an end to this.


They must now just ‘shut up’ let the twins have a life!


If the McCanns truly cared for these children, this case would not be taking place.


But as it is, if they truly cared, both of them would have ‘signed up’ as witnesses at the earliest opportunity, to speak for themselves and their family.


They didn’t? 


Kate McCann ‘holding court’ outside the Palace of Justice with the press was not a mother thinking of or protecting her children.


Her place was inside – taking the stand, giving her evidence, proof of the outrageous claims she has made.


But she cannot bring proof, and this she knows!


Gerry McCann too should have been there from Day 1.


Like Dr Goncalo Amaral, and for their children, for putting them through what they have, they should have not behaved with such arrogance, shown they contempt they have for the proceedings for the Court they should have attended all hearings!

Great post RussianDoll, I agree with every word.

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Daily Mail allowing comments....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441552/Madeleines-parents-pain-losing-multiplied-100-times-police-chiefs-book-court-hears-father-expresses-disappointment-evidence.html

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Most of the comments are negative - they'll be whooshed soon.

Can't find your comment anymore.

Lots of people agree with you, however yours mentions there should be a criminal case, maybe thats why it's been removed ?

But the comment about not seeing any point In this trial, because it's in the files, that it is law to publish the police files, is very highly rated!

@ nobodythereeither    here is the blog address, full of very short, easy to read and to the point pieces.


   http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/

jeanmonroe wrote:

aquila wrote:A million bucks could go a long way in boarding school/private education fees to protect the twins from the nasty media that their parents have exposed them to by not agreeing to hold this libel case in camera.

Not saying, just saying.

ETA: who knows, the Fund might already have made provision for that.

That would suit the McCanns fine!

No creche available bung them in boarding school!

Anywhere, in fact, where they don't have to actually look after them, themselves.

IMO.

There is money sitting in the Fund. The Fund is to support the family. There isn't really a need for the Fund as Scotland Yard are 'on the case' and the taxpayers are picking up the tab.

Now, this is only a suggestion of future things but how about the Fund (whether the case against Amaral is lost or won) decides that the twins need protection from the nasty media that their parents have chosen to expose them to in a libel trial (which could have been held in camera) to secure private education - maybe an exclusive boarding school to protect the twins, an almost royal existence.

Perhaps the money from Amaral is not necessary. Perhaps the money currently sitting in the Fund needs a purpose as the Fund surely can't continue for much longer in light of SY's active investigation.

This is all speculation on my part.

aquila wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:

aquila wrote:A million bucks could go a long way in boarding school/private education fees to protect the twins from the nasty media that their parents have exposed them to by not agreeing to hold this libel case in camera.

Not saying, just saying.

ETA: who knows, the Fund might already have made provision for that.

That would suit the McCanns fine!

No creche available bung them in boarding school!

Anywhere, in fact, where they don't have to actually look after them, themselves.

IMO.

There is money sitting in the Fund. The Fund is to support the family. There isn't really a need for the Fund as Scotland Yard are 'on the case' and the taxpayers are picking up the tab.

Now, this is only a suggestion of future things but how about the Fund (whether the case against Amaral is lost or won) decides that the twins need protection from the nasty media that their parents have chosen to expose them to in a libel trial (which could have been held in camera) to secure private education - maybe an exclusive boarding school to protect the twins, an almost royal existence.

Perhaps the money from Amaral is not necessary. Perhaps the money currently sitting in the Fund needs a purpose as the Fund surely can't continue for much longer in light of SY's active investigation.

This is all speculation on my part.

Believe me, boarding schools are no picnic!

And how could they possibly 'supervise' their access to the nasty internet if they weren't THERE, 24 hours a day?

They would find out in ten seconds flat that they too could of been 'abducted', or worse, while mummy and daddy were playing 'grown ups' with their mates, out of sight!

Nope, they should of fessed up to the twins a long time before their 'auntie' and mummy and daddy's 'friends' put the twins all over the Madia to 'defend' mummy and daddy from 'scrutiny'

I wonder if ALL the 'teachers' at the twins school, that auntie Trish mentioned yesterday, have TODAY been 'abducted' into the cult of the McS and there is not one that does NOT now believe the McS 'fairytale'?

Under stress/duress/threat of losing their 'position'

All, IMHO, OBVIOUSLY!

jeanmonroe wrote:

aquila wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:

aquila wrote:A million bucks could go a long way in boarding school/private education fees to protect the twins from the nasty media that their parents have exposed them to by not agreeing to hold this libel case in camera.

Not saying, just saying.

ETA: who knows, the Fund might already have made provision for that.

That would suit the McCanns fine!

No creche available bung them in boarding school!

Anywhere, in fact, where they don't have to actually look after them, themselves.

IMO.

There is money sitting in the Fund. The Fund is to support the family. There isn't really a need for the Fund as Scotland Yard are 'on the case' and the taxpayers are picking up the tab.

Now, this is only a suggestion of future things but how about the Fund (whether the case against Amaral is lost or won) decides that the twins need protection from the nasty media that their parents have chosen to expose them to in a libel trial (which could have been held in camera) to secure private education - maybe an exclusive boarding school to protect the twins, an almost royal existence.

Perhaps the money from Amaral is not necessary. Perhaps the money currently sitting in the Fund needs a purpose as the Fund surely can't continue for much longer in light of SY's active investigation.

This is all speculation on my part.

Believe me, boarding schools are no picnic!

And how could they possibly 'supervise' their access to the nasty internet if they weren't THERE, 24 hours a day?

Nope, they should of fessed up to the twins a long time before their 'auntie' and mummy and daddy's 'friends' put the twins all over the Madia to 'defend' mummy and daddy from 'scrutiny'

I wonder if ALL the 'teachers' at the twins school have TODAY been 'abducted' into the cult of the McS and there is not one that does NOT believe the McS 'fairytale'?

Under stress/duress of losing their 'position'

Perhaps I'm being too subtle. Think of the wider agenda, think of all the things that are seamlessly in place prior to any event. Think of how everything is spin. Think how Gerry could possibly have a career in politics. Think how Kate can have a career as an ambassador to save missing children. Think how difficult it is to substantiate the Fund since the arrival of SY investigation. Think how all of those factors haven't already been considered - and then think how giving the twins a boarding school education would do wonders for their development and protection. Think about all the important people on the periphery of Madeleine's disappearance could breathe a sigh of relief once the McCanns are nicely esconced in their 'new' roles - nothing new about their roles it's been on the agenda since day one.

Think about those in control patting the Mc's on the head and giving them a sense of importance.

Just my opinion.

Think of them in 'public' life.

Open to legitimate scrutiny at every turn.

Look what the DM said about Miliband's family for proof ot that.

Papers have long memories and GM has already 'hacked' them off, hasn't he?

russiandoll wrote:@ nobodythereeither    here is the blog address, full of very short, easy to read and to the point pieces.


   http://l-azzeri-lies-in-the-sun.com/

Ooops sorry, somehow missed the bit where you said it was from that blog, DUH

HEAD STRAIGHT FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS GERRY!

OH, YOU DID!

From what 'base' figure is TC qualifying her '100 times worse'?

Losing your car keys = 2?

Losing your house keys = 4?

Losing one of your children = indescribable?

So, indescibable X 100?

The point is for me jean, that there are people who would rather the Mc's shut up and buggered orf and to placate them they will be given some sort of pat on the head, the promise of great things, a welcome into a fold that once taken can't be relinquished, they will be offered assistance in terms of media spin to get out of their current nightmare (Mitchell, their spokesperson's life is changing), the Fund will be subtly closed/die a death, the kids will be given an education hitherto unaffordable to the Mc's and there will be peaceful waters.

Kate can spend her life on committees, television sofas and fundraising. Gerry's career will take him into backseat politics and that will be it.

That's my understanding of the situation as it is but it's only my opinion.

....and Madeleine's life will remain a mystery.

the kids will be given an education hitherto unaffordable to the Mc's and there will be peaceful waters.
_____________________________________________________

Until the twins find, or are told by their friends, the TRUTH about the situation their parents left THEM in, for themselves!

Then very TURBULENT waters, methinks!

Seek truth wrote:

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Daily Mail allowing comments....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441552/Madeleines-parents-pain-losing-multiplied-100-times-police-chiefs-book-court-hears-father-expresses-disappointment-evidence.html

My comment was published with my avatar
Most of the comments are negative - they'll be whooshed soon.

Can't find your comment anymore.

Lots of people agree with you, however yours mentions there should be a criminal case, maybe thats why it's been removed ?

But the comment about not seeing any point In this trial, because it's in the files, that it is law to publish the police files, is very highly rated!

Some other comments which were there last night have been removed.

There was an early one which said something along the lines of, if there is evidence which points to the parents' involvement, then of course it should be investigated.

Gone.

Given that all the comments are supposed to be moderated before they're allowed to be shown, that implies that somebody has been leaned on since last night, as the removed comments must already have been moderated.

And now, surprise surprise, we have a load of comments on show supporting the saintly McCanns.

I'm so sick of this farce.

jeanmonroe wrote:

HEAD STRAIGHT FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS GERRY!

OH, YOU DID!

From what 'base' figure is TC qualifying her '100 times worse'?

Losing your car keys = 2?

Losing your house keys = 4?

Losing one of your children =??

The base figure is overdrawn on your student loan divided by 100 

simply based on nothing but mathematics  : if your base figure is 0 then no matter if you multiply by 1 million, you are still left at 0.

aquila wrote:

windchime wrote:I agree and I think if they could it would be the first thing they would do, but they won't, because they know that the last few standing pros will finally start to wonder just what type of parents are these, 'one lost child and then the two remaining are packed off to boarding school!'  So the twins have to stay, they are pawns on a big chess board and their lives are being overshadowed by their media attention seeking parents.  IMO

That really does depend on 'spin'.

Yep, something like "there were threats against them and in boarding school they are much safer". That might even be true.

The current theater of this family shows they don't give a shît about what the twins will learn about their family. It has been said many times: if you think they can't get much lower, they will pull another one. Trish' "it was a 100 x worse than when Madeleine went missing".

All my opinion of course.

Poe wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:

HEAD STRAIGHT FOR PHOTOGRAPHERS GERRY!

OH, YOU DID!

From what 'base' figure is TC qualifying her '100 times worse'?

Losing your car keys = 2?

Losing your house keys = 4?

Losing one of your children =??

The base figure is overdrawn on your student loan divided by 100 

Again not available in my country. Now I don't mind not having to look at Gerry. He really makes feel physically ill.

russiandoll wrote:simply based on nothing but mathematics  : if your base figure is 0 then no matter if you multiply by 1 million, you are still left at 0.

So true

 

nobodythereeither wrote:

Seek truth wrote:

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Daily Mail allowing comments....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441552/Madeleines-parents-pain-losing-multiplied-100-times-police-chiefs-book-court-hears-father-expresses-disappointment-evidence.html

My comment was published with my avatar
Most of the comments are negative - they'll be whooshed soon.

Can't find your comment anymore.

Lots of people agree with you, however yours mentions there should be a criminal case, maybe thats why it's been removed ?

But the comment about not seeing any point In this trial, because it's in the files, that it is law to publish the police files, is very highly rated!

Some other comments which were there last night have been removed.

There was an early one which said something along the lines of, if there is evidence which points to the parents' involvement, then of course it should be investigated.

Gone.

Given that all the comments are supposed to be moderated before they're allowed to be shown, that implies that somebody has been leaned on since last night, as the removed comments must already have been moderated.

And now, surprise surprise, we have a load of comments on show supporting the saintly McCanns.

I'm so sick of this farce.

Not all of them supporting the McCanns, I have actually been able to access the website today, which is a miracle in itself.  I've only been able to copy 10 out of 38, I couldn't access them all -

hairybiker, Gloucester, Algeria, 4 hours ago
How can this still be going on after 6 years. Any other family wouldnt have had the profile the McCanns have. I dont deny that whatever happened to Maddy it is sad but this has cost the UK tax payer £2m to date. WHY, when that sort of money isnt spent on current crimes. If they win this case, they should pay back any amount to the Met to cover the cost. I bet the coppers love going out there for a jolly !!
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picard, cheshire, United Kingdom, 5 hours ago
I donated £20 long time ago, now I wish I had given it to Ben Needham's mum.
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Chuckmeat, Reading, 6 hours ago
Out of the thousands of children who go missing each year why are the parents off this child being supported by the highest levels of government?
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Chris N, Bristol, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago
Oh give it a rest. No-one's read the damned book.
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picard, cheshire, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago
Its so refreshing that the Mail have allowed comments on this case were all the other MSM have no nuts!!
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vanrouge, Duras, 6 hours ago
I have reported a possible sighting of Maddie 4 times, but there has not been any follow up from the authorities or contact from them. The sighting was about 4 months after Maddie disappeared and fits in with other reported sightiings. We spoke to the people with the Little girl and have information that would lead to these people. Lets see if this gets any results.
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Les, Perth, Australia, 8 hours ago
The Portuguese cop is disgusting by profiteering on this case. He should be made to hand over profits to a good cause. However, am sick of reading stories about this family. Lots of missing children do not even receive 10% of this coverage.ReplyNew CommentNew 336Click to rate . Report comment

CJ76, Midlands, United Kingdom, 10 hours ago
I'll tell you one thing. Gerry McCann has my full 100% support on this.
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Bilbo Baggins, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom, 12 hours ago
Made worse by the guilt of leaving her unattended more like. PS. Contrary to the impression given by the mass media, Madeleine McCann is not the only child to have ever gone missing.
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CJ76, Midlands, United Kingdom, 13 hours ago
"Earlier, Gerry McCann had arrived at the court in a bid to give evidence against the disgraced police chief, but later expressed his disappointment that he was not able to take part in the proceedings". ................................ am a bit surprised after reading that. Where are all the 'Gerry McCann wont talk' posters who have rattled on like a broken record for the last 6+ years. He was there to face his accuser, but wasn't allowed to speak.
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CJ76 Midlands, seems to be a big fan of the McCanns, he is obviously not up to speed with the deviousness of G McCann.

As for Les of Perth, perhaps the McCanns should hand over all the £millions they have in their "pot" to other charities for missing children seeing as the taxpayers are paying out £5m on SY searching for Madeleine, or has it all been spent on sueing people.

I can't post on the DM website, otherwise I would answer Les of Perth, I think I was banned a long time ago.  

According to a French report (thanks to mccannfiles  ), Gerry didn't even make it into the courtroom to listen to his sister testify.

On Wednesday morning, while Trish Cameron spoke in court about the consequences of the book on the lives of the family, the father of Maddie waited, sitting on a marble bench, outside the courtroom, tapping on a laptop.

Is he barred from the courtroom unless he's called to testify?

From another thread

TRIAL INFORMATION from Anne Guedes: October 2nd Henrique Machado (journalist of Correio da Manhã) Eduardo Dâmaso (political analyst) Mrs Cameron (Mrs Healy probably won't be heard now) October 5th Paulo Sargento Moita Flores (Two persons related to Guerra&Paz) October 8 Inspectors Tavares de Almeida and Ricardo Paiva Luis Nunes, the head of the Central unit against organized crime Manuel Catarino, editorialist in the CdM (who seems specialised in juridical issues) Journalist and writer Hernani Carvalho (who is doing a PhD on criminology) wrote:

Candyfloss do I understand correctly they will have court on Saturday?

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