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Post by sharonl 03.10.13 17:50

Does anyone know whether Seija is related in any way to the child psychiatrist and author, Michael Rutter?  Apparently an expert in child behaviour problems, and autism.
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Post by Nereid 03.10.13 17:53

@sharonl wrote:Does anyone know whether Seija is related in any way to the child psychiatrist and author, Michael Rutter?  Apparently an expert in child behaviour problems, and autism.
Her partner's name is Rutten. (Not sure if they're still together though).
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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 17:56

@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?

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Post by Guest 03.10.13 18:10

@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
Swansea-> Cardiff-> Companies House-> Madeleines Limited fund?

Who got the Ltd ready at such short notice after the childs' disappearance?
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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 18:18

@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
Maybe the McCann's did have a second phone. Graham McKenzie gave a statement to the PJ regarding a phone conversation that he overheard on the night of the 3rd at 23.00 hours, see link.
The phone records show that that were no activations from the MC'S mobiles at the time. 
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm.

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Post by tigger 03.10.13 18:20

@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)

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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 18:51

@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
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Post by sallypelt 03.10.13 18:53

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Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex
Thank you. Reading between the lines I think the family later moved to Wales, but can't be sure.

Seija's grandmother Dorothy Enid Williams, was born in Wales. Maybe this is the Welsh connection.
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Post by sallypelt 03.10.13 18:56

@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
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@tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left.  TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.  
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....thinking



By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true.  That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
According to ms Rutter, KH moved back to the UK very early -weeks- into the pregnancy. 
KH, however, made that the end of her pregnancy. Just about the deadline for flying (8-9 months) with GM going by car, with Maddie. 

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Post by windchime 03.10.13 19:38

Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!!  I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said. 

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date.  It is very odd but I think you are on to something. 

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

Have a good evening all and remember confusion is good!!
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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 19:42

@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

http://www.northnorfolk.org/files/parish_results_May07.pdf.

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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 19:47

@windchime wrote:Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!!  I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said. 

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date.  It is very odd but I think you are on to something. 

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

Have a good evening all and remember confusion is good!!
 You have a good evening too. I'll be churning this over all night probably!
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@windchime wrote:Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!!  I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said. 

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date.  It is very odd but I think you are on to something. 

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

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@Hicks wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

http://www.northnorfolk.org/files/parish_results_May07.pdf.
Who is Anne Murat? What's the connexion to RM and his mother?
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Post by Hicks 03.10.13 20:40

@Portia wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

http://www.northnorfolk.org/files/parish_results_May07.pdf.
Who is Anne Murat? What's the connexion to RM and his mother?
Portia, I have no idea. I was trying to find a link between RM, or any of his relatives in Norfolk, and S B Kingston's grandmother who was born in Wales( looking for a Swansea link) she died in Ludham, Norfolk .
The coincidence I speak of was the link I clicked on, Ann Murat( whoever she is) was standing at some local election( in Norfolk) It was the date that jumped out.......3rd May 2007! Nothing to do with the case just another one of those strange coincidences .
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@Portia wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@windchime wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@Nereid wrote:
@windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.
Yes very interesting read.  Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct?  Can we believe what we read in it?  If so then it is an eye opener for sure.  What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew?  Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ? 
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either.  I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/mccann-case-analysis-of-telephone-calls.html.

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the  Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

 http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.co.uk/2007/07/robert-murat-gave-his-ex-wife-address.html.
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

http://www.northnorfolk.org/files/parish_results_May07.pdf.
Who is Anne Murat? What's the connexion to RM and his mother?
Portia, I have no idea. I was trying to find a link between RM, or any of his relatives in Norfolk, and S B Kingston's grandmother who was born in Wales( looking for a Swansea link) she died in Ludham, Norfolk .
The coincidence I speak of was the link I clicked on, Ann Murat( whoever she is) was standing at some local election( in Norfolk) It was the date that jumped out.......3rd May 2007! Nothing to do with the case just another one of those strange coincidences .

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Can members please try to use less quotes, it is making it very difficult to read. thanks
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Portia, RM mother's name....Jennifer 'ANNE' Murat.
Will try to find out more info on Anne Murat.
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@Hicks wrote:Portia, RM mother's name....Jennifer 'ANNE' Murat.
Will try to find out more info on Anne Murat.
hi Hicks, it's Ann, not Anne, Murat. It might make a difference. She's from Barton Turf. smilie 
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candyfloss wrote:Can members please try to use less quotes, it is making it very difficult to read. thanks
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Post by Tony Bennett 03.10.13 21:57

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@Hicks wrote:Portia, RM mother's name....Jennifer 'ANNE' Murat.
Will try to find out more info on Anne Murat.
hi Hicks, it's Ann, not Anne, Murat. It might make a difference. She's from Barton Turf. 
 Off topic, but I think the Ann Murat of Ludham is not a close relative of Robert Murat.

One topic on this forum that got 'muratfan' going was this one, about a missing Norfolk man, Dean Byron de Spretter:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3826p10-dean-byron-de-spretter-still-missing

His surviving relatives maintain that shortly before he went missing, he spoke of being in danger frorm a paedophile ring. His family has a 'Missing Person' alert for him on the intrernet.

http://www.missing-you.net/people/dean-byron-de-spretter-106975.php
http://www.missing-people.co.uk/detail.php?siteid=256

We know that the rabid and lying McCann supporter 'muratfan' lives in Norwich. And...why the name 'muratfan', has anyone pondered that one?

Murat lived in Norfolk for quite a while. Whilst there, he worked inter alia for Bernard Matthews Turkeys and for car sales company Inchcape.

Perhaps of more significance, he worked as an official translator from Portuguese to English for the sizeable migarat Portuguese community in rural Norfolk, often translating for suspected Portuguese criminals.

It appears that Murat was well in with the police, meeting them socially at the Oasis Leisure Club, not far from where 'muratfan' lives on the eastern side of Norwich. The Oasis Leisure Club was and I think still is owned by the Serruys family who, shall we say, are somewhat controversial:

http://www.edp24.co.uk/business/scrap_metal_mogul_andre_serruys_denies_90m_high_court_claim_1_677667

The full circumstances of the murder of 12-year-old Thomas Marshall by a Norfolk paedophile (Norfolk case) are yet to be revealed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/553957.stm

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@Tony Bennett wrote:
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@Hicks wrote:Portia, RM mother's name....Jennifer 'ANNE' Murat.
Will try to find out more info on Anne Murat.
hi Hicks, it's Ann, not Anne, Murat. It might make a difference. She's from Barton Turf. smilie 
 Off topic, but I think the Ann Murat of Ludham is not a close relative of Robert Murat.

One topic on this forum that got 'muratfan' going was this one, about a missing Norfolk man, Dean Byron de Spretter:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3826p10-dean-byron-de-spretter-still-missing

His surviving relatives maintain that shortly before he went missing, he spoke of being in danger frorm a paedophile ring. His family has a 'Missing Person' alert for him on the intrernet.

http://www.missing-you.net/people/dean-byron-de-spretter-106975.php
http://www.missing-people.co.uk/detail.php?siteid=256

We know that the rabid and lying McCann supporter 'muratfan' lives in Norwich. And...why the name 'muratfan', has anyone pondered that one?

Murat lived in Norfolk for quite a while. Whilst there, he worked inter alia for Bernard Matthews Turkeys and for car sales company Inchcape.

Perhaps of more significance, he worked as an official translator from Portuguese to English for the sizeable migarat Portuguese community in rural Norfolk, often translating for suspected Portuguese criminals.

It appears that Murat was well in with the police, meeting them socially at the Oasis Leisure Club, not far from where 'muratfan' lives on the eastern side of Norwich. The Oasis Leisure Club was and I think still is owned by the Serruys family who, shall we say, are somewhat controversial.

The full circumstances of the murder of 12-year-old Thomas Marshall by a Norfolk paedophile (Norfolk case) are yet to be revealed.
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@sallypelt wrote:
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@tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left.  TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.  
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....thinking



By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true.  That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error.  What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/criminaliteit/32058/kleuter_nog_altijd_spoorloos
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