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Post by PeterMac on 29.09.13 11:19

Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?

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Post by Guest on 29.09.13 12:29

I didn't see the programme but this may be of interest.

http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
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Post by Guest on 29.09.13 15:14

A sad ending to the search for a 65 year old Irish woman who went missing while taking her dog for a walk last Tuesday. She suffered from alzheimers. She was seen on CCTV at different locations in Dublin and her body was discovered yesterday. Her dog was still guarding her faithfully and passed away within hours of being found. RIP to them both. 

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/huge-search-for-missing-woman-ends-in-tragedy-29618330.html
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Post by PeterMac on 29.09.13 15:59

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I didn't see the programme but this may be of interest.
http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
The dog in question was from that organisation.
There is NO DOUBT that HUMAN cadaverine and blood were detected in the apartment and elsewhere
NO doubt whatsoever.

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Post by Prehensile on 29.09.13 16:23

@PeterMac wrote:Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?
In November last year my wife was diagnosed with colorectal cancer, prior to the diagnosis she was becoming paranoid as to her personal hygiene, as our German shepherd Sam was constantly sniffing her backside. Thankfully the Mrs is now in remission and Sam is now back to banging his head against my dodgy ankle when he needs out.
Dogs, who would have 'em?

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Post by aquila on 29.09.13 16:26

@Prehensile wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?
In November last year my wife was diagnosed with colorectal cancer, prior to the diagnosis she was becoming paranoid as to her personal hygiene, as our German shepherd Sam was constantly sniffing her backside. Thankfully the Mrs is now in remission and Sam is now back to banging his head against my dodgy ankle when he needs out.
Dogs, who would have 'em?
Dogs are truly amazing and your dog knew there was something wrong.

I'm really glad your wife is in remission and I hope your dodgy ankle gets better.
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Post by Prehensile on 29.09.13 16:41

@aquila wrote:
@Prehensile wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?
In November last year my wife was diagnosed with colorectal cancer, prior to the diagnosis she was becoming paranoid as to her personal hygiene, as our German shepherd Sam was constantly sniffing her backside. Thankfully the Mrs is now in remission and Sam is now back to banging his head against my dodgy ankle when he needs out.
Dogs, who would have 'em?
Dogs are truly amazing and your dog knew there was something wrong.

I'm really glad your wife is in remission and I hope your dodgy ankle gets better.
Thank you, unfortunately the ankle won't get any better, but better that than Sam's attention to his Mum.

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Post by MRNOODLES on 29.09.13 17:13

@Prehensile wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?
In November last year my wife was diagnosed with colorectal cancer, prior to the diagnosis she was becoming paranoid as to her personal hygiene, as our German shepherd Sam was constantly sniffing her backside. Thankfully the Mrs is now in remission and Sam is now back to banging his head against my dodgy ankle when he needs out.
Dogs, who would have 'em?
I was going to say. I've read about several cases where totally untrained dogs have become concerned with their owners health through their amazing sniffing abilities.
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Post by Prehensile on 29.09.13 17:27

@MRNOODLES wrote:
@Prehensile wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Anyone see the programme last night about the use of medical dogs.
One could detect cancer of the kidney from a single drop of urine.

Notoriously unreliable, Gerry ?
In November last year my wife was diagnosed with colorectal cancer, prior to the diagnosis she was becoming paranoid as to her personal hygiene, as our German shepherd Sam was constantly sniffing her backside. Thankfully the Mrs is now in remission and Sam is now back to banging his head against my dodgy ankle when he needs out.
Dogs, who would have 'em?
I was going to say. I've read about several cases where totally untrained dogs have become concerned with their owners health through their amazing sniffing abilities.
And no doubt their sniffing abilities were "very" reliable.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 29.09.13 17:37

@PeterMac wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I didn't see the programme but this may be of interest.
http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
The dog in question was from that organisation.
There is NO DOUBT that HUMAN cadaverine and blood were detected in the apartment and elsewhere
NO doubt whatsoever.
May I ask what was the Mc rebuttal of the sniffer evidence was?  (apart from dogs being unreliable) Did they accuse the police of planting evidence?  If so, is that not libel against the police?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 29.09.13 17:41

@Truthandjustice wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I didn't see the programme but this may be of interest.
http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
The dog in question was from that organisation.
There is NO DOUBT that HUMAN cadaverine and blood were detected in the apartment and elsewhere
NO doubt whatsoever.
May I ask what was the Mc rebuttal of the sniffer evidence was?  (apart from dogs being unreliable) Did they accuse the police of planting evidence?  If so, is that not libel against the police?
It would be 'slander' and you'd have to see S Healy's. KM's mother, outburst about that, i believe.

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Post by Guest on 29.09.13 19:35

Yes, there're too many people, including Grandma Healy, claiming that the cadaver scent in the car was planted. Including our "favourite" Mr. Birch, saying that the PJ found Maddie's body, early on, in Murat's garden. Yet they left it [the body] there, only took DNA to plant in the hire car to "frame" them. Yeah.

Now, those who know me, know I have a vivid imagination [or rather an analytical mind - but that's only best friends, who think that] , BUT ... but, but ... those pesky dogs, alerting to -with exclusion of all others - solely to the Apartment 5A, their rented car AND Kate's clothes. Now there you are ...
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clever dogs-Pamela Jackson trial: Moorland body search 'enormous task'

Post by worriedmum on 02.10.13 13:44

''A man found guilty of the manslaughter of a County Durham woman and who buried her body in a shallow grave in West Yorkshire knew "every inch" of the area where her remains were found.


Durham Police decided to call on help from South Yorkshire Police, which has dogs specially trained to assist.
"We were very grateful to South Yorkshire," said Det Insp Sampson. "With their dogs, which can detect the gases given off from graves, we quickly located the grave.''

snipped from BBC article by Chris Stewart BBC Look North chief reporter 27 September 2013 Last updated at 14:56


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-24206111
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Post by sonic72 on 02.10.13 17:17

http://animal.discovery.com/tv-shows/hero-dogs-of-9-11

The show has passed now but it says...

"Hero Dogs of 9/11 commemorates the 12th anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The special details the stories of three World Trade Center survivors, and the working dogs that saved lives at Ground Zero. More than 300 dogs were used in the rescue and recovery operation.

One of the survivors profiled, who is blind, was led out of the building by his seeing eye dog. Another, who'd been working at the scene with a bomb-sniffing dog, was pulled from the rubble by a rescue dog. The third was the last survivor to be discovered by a dog and pulled from the rubble, 27 hours after the center collapsed."

So unreliable aren't they!?

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Post by PeterMac on 02.10.13 22:05

@worriedmum wrote:''A man found guilty of the manslaughter of a County Durham woman and who buried her body in a shallow grave in West Yorkshire knew "every inch" of the area where her remains were found.
Durham Police decided to call on help from South Yorkshire Police, which has dogs specially trained to assist.
"We were very grateful to South Yorkshire," said Det Insp Sampson. "With their dogs, which can detect the gases given off from graves, we quickly located the grave.''
snipped from BBC article by Chris Stewart BBC Look North chief reporter 27 September 2013 Last updated at 14:56
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-24206111
My GOD !
Now look at the other snippets from that piece.   HEAVILY SNIPPED

They also scoured about 2m sq ft (270,000 sq m) of open land, near reservoirs.
He claimed the last time he saw Ms Jackson alive they had rowed over botox injections and he had driven off.
She had been missing for three months, but even without the body police were convinced Muir had killed her and he had already been charged.
In the afternoon her sons left, and it is during that evening that prosecutors said Muir murdered
A post-mortem examination revealed that Ms Jackson had suffered "blunt force" head injuries.
Det Insp Sampson said: "The main thing that led us to this vast area was phone data - this showed us where Muir had been.
Durham Police decided to call on help from South Yorkshire Police, which has dogs specially trained to assist.
"We were very grateful to South Yorkshire," said Det Insp Sampson. "With their dogs, which can detect the gases given off from graves, we quickly located the grave."
On the night after Pamela had disappeared, he recorded on his iPhone what sounded like a suicide note.
He is heard saying that he had rowed with her and she had hit her head. He can be heard to say: "It were a disaster - I did a terrible thing."
Det Insp Sampson said: "There was the soil evidence, fibres, phone evidence, a fingerprint in the grave and evidence of his movements.
"It all just built layers and layers of a very strong case. Maybe he had convinced himself he had not done it - who knows?"

Why are all cases more or less the same ?

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Post by lj on 03.10.13 2:45

@PeterMac wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I didn't see the programme but this may be of interest.
http://medicaldetectiondogs.org.uk
The dog in question was from that organisation.
There is NO DOUBT that HUMAN cadaverine and blood were detected in the apartment and elsewhere
NO doubt whatsoever.
I have seen so unbelievable things from dogs, especially those medical dogs. Warning for seizures or danmgerous blood sugar levels, detecting melanoma.

For me there was never a doubt there was blood and cadaver odor in the apartment, and up until now I haven't heard an innocent explanation (CM) for that.

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Post by PeterMac on 03.10.13 7:38

@lj wrote:
For me there was never a doubt there was blood and cadaver odor in the apartment, and up until now I haven't heard an innocent explanation (CM) for that.
which is why the only thing they could say was "Notoriously unreliable".
which is utter nonsense, and both they and Mitchell know it.
As do, incidentally the rest of the family and the other doctors in the group, who will be well aware of the recent medical applications of dogs.
In fact everyone else in the civilised world knows knows that trained dogs are reliable

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Post by Pyewacket on 03.10.13 11:37

@PeterMac wrote:
@lj wrote:
For me there was never a doubt there was blood and cadaver odor in the apartment, and up until now I haven't heard an innocent explanation (CM) for that.
which is why the only thing they could say was "Notoriously unreliable".
which is utter nonsense, and both they and Mitchell know it.
As do, incidentally the rest of the family and the other doctors in the group, who will be well aware of the recent medical applications of dogs.
In fact everyone else in the civilised world knows knows that trained dogs are reliable
A critical and well used strategy in a legal defences is: (a) discredit the evidence. if that fails then resort to (b) discredit the witness. And most importantly if your defence is on a sticky wicket, Muddy the Waters as much as possible !!
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Post by russiandoll on 03.10.13 14:04


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Post by sallypelt on 03.10.13 14:06

@Pyewacket wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:
@lj wrote:
For me there was never a doubt there was blood and cadaver odor in the apartment, and up until now I haven't heard an innocent explanation (CM) for that.
which is why the only thing they could say was "Notoriously unreliable".
which is utter nonsense, and both they and Mitchell know it.
As do, incidentally the rest of the family and the other doctors in the group, who will be well aware of the recent medical applications of dogs.
In fact everyone else in the civilised world knows knows that trained dogs are reliable
A critical and well used strategy in a legal defences is: (a) discredit the evidence. if that fails then resort to (b) discredit the witness. And most importantly if your defence is on a sticky wicket, Muddy the Waters as much as possible !!
By Gerry McCann's reckoning, "confusion is good"

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Post by russiandoll on 03.10.13 14:20

Cancer detection, dog training . Well worth a look.

http://youtu.be/IZA9R0uSGWc

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