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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:07

@bobbin wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Video interview here of G McCann outside court today


http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-09-27/gerry-madeleine-mccann-portugal-libel-trial/


He said: "Obviously we are disappointed.
"If I get the opportunity to be heard, I will certainly come back."
And then this little nugget follows in between 00.22 and 00.34
quoting Gerry McCann,
"Well the law's changed and I think eeeer I think Kate and I know what we've experienced and what we've gone through eeerrhmm and the facts of (takes deep breath in here) the file 'n (and) errrhmm the damage that's been caused (?uz) (us? to the?) search for Madeleine".
Gosh Gerry, I didn't know the whole libel case was about the 'FACTS of the FILE and the damage that they have caused to the search for Madeleine', I thought it was all about your accusing Goncalo Amaral of telling libellous LIES in his book when he was simply referring to material in the FILE. Mr 
Why are you sueing Goncalo Amaral when you should be sueing the "FACTS of the FILES" spit coffee 
That's what he said bobbin, thought he was going to mention the book, but no  he said "THE FACTS OF THE FILE"

ShuBob, agree I thought he was being interviewed by the floor.
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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:08

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#mcann libel trial postponed because Goncalo Amaral's lawyer's son is in hospital having surgery
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.09.13 14:11

Candyfloss:
This from a 'pro'

Amoral's legal team afraid of Gerry #McCann testifying. Fake illness staged in cynical attempt to create an adjournment. Time to settle?
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TRIAL RESUMES WED 2ND OCTOBER

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#mccann libel trial will resume on Wednesday Oct 2 - Madeleine's parents seek £1m from Amaral over his book claims they covered up her death
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The mccann twitterati were perhaps a little 'previous'!

How can the trial be 'resumed' if, according to them, this adjournment was cynically 'created' to get GA to settle with the McCanns?
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.09.13 14:14

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 46m
#mcann libel trial postponed because Goncalo Amaral's lawyer's son is in hospital having surgery
mccann twitterati will no doubt be saying that it is 'pretendy' surgery!

they are sick puppies, aren't they?
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Post by Woofer on 27.09.13 14:18

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candyfloss wrote:This from 1st September 2013, just 4 weeks ago in Sunday Express.............

Isabel Duarte, the McCanns' lawyer in Lisbon, said: "Kate and Gerry do not have to give evidence so they do not need to be here. I am confident of winning."
 She is seeking damages for Kate, Gerry and their twins Sean and Amelie, plus further damages for the harm caused to the search for Madeleine.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id426.html

So why the sudden turnaround?
 

The serious point here is that the McCanns have insisted ever since the libel writ of June 2009 that Dr Goncalo Amaral's 'lies' had a profound and permanent effect on their emotional and physical health.

Evidence of that can best come from themselves, supported as necessary by consultant doctors who specialise in cases of serious emotional damage, mental ill-health, depression and so forth.

It was always unlikely, surely, that people like Susan Hubbard (friend of the family), Michael Wright (relative) and Alan Pike ('counsellor' but not a psychologist) could provide anything like sufficient evidence of this long list of severe and permanent emotional, physical and mental illnesses.

Besides that, the McCanns have repeatedly used the word 'lies' in relation to the contents of Dr Amaral's book. Unless Anne Guedes has missed a whole tranche of evidence, I am at a loss to understand what 'lies' have been exposed so far and which witnesses (if any) have been produced to refute Amaral's alleged 'lies'.
This case must be setting a precedent because a man is being accused of writing lies ........  but there`s no way of knowing whether it is lies because, as the Judge pointed out, `we don`t know what happened`.

I cannot understand how this case even got to court because the foundation for the writ is not solid.  It is based on the fact that the McCanns are telling the truth ...  but that has never been proved.

It must be a first.  Poor Judge.

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Post by tiny on 27.09.13 14:19

@jeanmonroe wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 46m
#mcann libel trial postponed because Goncalo Amaral's lawyer's son is in hospital having surgery
mccann twitterati will no doubt be saying that it is 'pretendy' surgery!

they are sick puppies, aren't they?
you think that's bad,take a look at the justice forum.some of their posters are disgusting and they are allowed to get away with it.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.09.13 14:20

That's what he said bobbin, thought he was going to mention the book, but no he said "THE FACTS OF THE FILE"
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So, presumeably, they are going to have to SUE the entire police force of a country!

Good luck with that one!
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Post by Woofer on 27.09.13 14:22

candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 46m
#mcann libel trial postponed because Goncalo Amaral's lawyer's son is in hospital having surgery
It must be emergency surgery because GA didn`t seem aware as he went into Court.
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Post by Spandex on 27.09.13 14:27

Wow things are certainly hotting up interesting times ahead!!!

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Post by ShuBob on 27.09.13 14:32

Cherry Blossom wrote:Snip

ShuBob, agree I thought he was being interviewed by the floor.
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Post by Monty Heck on 27.09.13 14:37

candyfloss wrote:
@PEANUT66 wrote:Martin Brunt just tweeted pic of Mr M. arriving in court today!
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martinbrunt@skymartinbrunt 16m
#madeleine Gerry McCann arrives for libel trial. He said: "I'm here for Madeleine and justice." pic.twitter.com/DmwBtlCJN6
If Mr McC is "here for Madeleine and justice", why did it take so long to seek justice on her behalf?  He could have brought this action immediately the book was released, when indeed the complaint may have made more impact.  However, suppressing sales at that point would mean no profit generated.  Such a difficult choice. Justice immediately or potentially an enormous settlement....hmmm.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 27.09.13 14:38

@tiny wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Jerry Lawton@JerryLawton 46m
#mcann libel trial postponed because Goncalo Amaral's lawyer's son is in hospital having surgery
mccann twitterati will no doubt be saying that it is 'pretendy' surgery!

they are sick puppies, aren't they?
you think that's bad,take a look at the justice forum.some of their posters are disgusting and they are allowed to get away with it.
Just seen it.

Anyway, Anne is not impressed with the BS!
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The child isn't ill, surgery had to be performed urgently and he needed his dad. Posters should have understood by now that Portuguese don't let down their children.
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Unlike UK doctors who have said: "if she had an accident, why would that be our fault?'
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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:45

Madeleine McCann: Gerry's Evidence Stalled


Gerry McCann says he is disappointed he did not get the chance to give evidence because of a lawyer's family problems.
2:19pm UK, Friday 27 September 2013
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Gerry and Kate McCann hold up a picture of their missing daughter




By Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent, in Lisbon
Gerry McCann's bid to give evidence in his Portuguese libel trial has been scuppered after the hearing was suddenly abandoned for the day.
The judge agreed to an adjournment because a member of one of the lawyers' families had a medical issue.
Mr McCann was told the news as he arrived at the court in Lisbon after an early morning flight from the UK. He headed back to the airport.
He said outside court: "Obviously we are disappointed. If I get another opportunity to be heard I will be back and will answer the questions I'm asked."
Mr McCann and his wife, Kate, are suing ex-detective Goncalo Amaral over his book The Truth of the Lie, in which he claimed their daughter Madeleine died accidentally in their holiday apartment in 2007 and her parents covered up her death.
Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY - Page 8 Rtr1q4fe-1-522x293Madeleine on the day before she vanished
The couple insist Madeleine, who was nearly four, was abducted and could still be alive, but say the book poisoned public opinion against them and discouraged people from continuing to search for their daughter.
Until a recent law change, complainants in libel trials were not allowed to give evidence and even now need the judge's permission.
Mr McCann said: "The law has changed and I think Kate and I know better than anyone else what we have experienced and what we have gone through.
"Damage has been caused to the search for Madeleine. We are here for Madeleine and justice."
The McCanns are claiming €1.2m (around £1m) in damages from Mr Amaral, his publishers and the producers of a Portuguese TV documentary based on the book.
Gerry McCann may be witness at libel trial tomorrow - Jerry Lawton **UPDATE** TRIAL ABANDONED FOR TODAY - Page 8 161488347-1-522x293Mr McCann, pictured in March, said he was disappointed not to give evidence
Mr Amaral was in charge of the case after Madeleine vanished from her bed in the Algarve resort Praia da Luz in May 2007.
He was taken off the case five months later after criticising British police and he eventually retired.
Portuguese police closed the case after a year without establishing any firm clues to Madeleine's disappearance or evidence of her parents' involvement.
Scotland Yard has spent two years reviewing the Portuguese police files and has identified 38 individuals "of interest" who they believe could be potential suspects.
British detectives are awaiting permission from Lisbon to begin collecting their own evidence.
The libel trial is sitting two days a week and is expected to finish in November after hearing evidence from the defendants.


http://news.sky.com/story/1147315/madeleine-mccann-gerrys-evidence-stalled
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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:45

This libel trial is a real Catch 22 for the McCs ...
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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.09.13 14:47

@tiny wrote:...you think that's bad, take a look at the justice forum. Some of their posters are disgusting and they are allowed to get away with it.
 One poster on UK Justice Forum, davel, who still, I believe, posts on this forum, contrinbuted this earlier:


"Amaral is an absolute disgrace...how many times has the trial been postponed due to his solicitors? This is typical strategy used by guilty people. Delay, delay delay..."

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:50

There certainly is a recent poster with that name.

Isn't the Justice Forum the one which has been posting reports in full from the court or am I confusing it with something else?
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martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 16m 
#madeleine Gerry McCann arrives for libel trial. He said: "I'm here for Madeleine and justice." pic.twitter.com/DmwBtlCJN6
That's the problem with twitter, you don't get the full quote. Here let me fix that for you:

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#madeleine Gerry McCann arrives for libel trial. He said: "I'm here for Madeleine and just his money. Yep all of Amaral's money. That's what I'm here for" pic.twitter.com/DmwBtlCJN6
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Post by ShuBob on 27.09.13 14:53

Thanks Candy for Martin Brunt's report.

From the link:

Until a recent law change, complainants in libel trials were not allowed to give evidence and even now need the judge's permission.
Surely, this is not true? Is this the spin line the McCanns are really going down and Brunty and co. are not bothering to find the facts out for themselves? This is bad.
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Post by tiny on 27.09.13 14:55

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:There certainly is a recent poster with that name.

Isn't the Justice Forum the one which has been posting reports in full from the court or am I confusing it with something else?
Yes it is where the full reports from the courts come from,just a shame they have posters like that on there and they are allowed to post the most nasty stuff
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Post by Liz Eagles on 27.09.13 14:55

Not a single reporter asked GM....

is the Fund paying for your lawsuit?

and

if you win what will you do with the money?

and

if you lose will you personally bear the cost of the lawsuit?

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Post by GRACEFUL1 on 27.09.13 14:55

McCann wants to speak in Court
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Maddie's dad came to testify in the process made against the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral

by João C. Rodrigues

Maddie's father is this Friday in Lisbon. Gerry McCann came to Portugal to testify in the process against the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, in which, together with his wife, they ask for 1,2 million euros compensation for damages caused by the book ‘A Verdade da Mentira’ [The Truth of the Lie].

Gerry McCann arrived at the Palácio da Justiça at 10.30am but he didn't even get inside the courtroom. First because he was not enrolled as a witness - the request was only made yesterday and it requires the consent of the lawyers who defend Gonçalo Amaral and the other parties in the process - then because the session was postponed due to the impediment of one of the lawyers.

To Correio da Manhã, Gerry admitted that the reopening of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie by the Scotland Yard gave “new hope to the family” in solving the case.

His sister Trish was also in court, where she would testify, but in vain.

The new court session was scheduled for the 2nd of October.

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Post by susible on 27.09.13 14:58

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:There certainly is a recent poster with that name.

Isn't the Justice Forum the one which has been posting reports in full from the court or am I confusing it with something else?
Yes, it is a member of the Justice forum, Anne Guedes who has been providing the transcripts.  It's not a pro or anti forum, it's got quite a mixture of opinions on the McCann case, but typically the pros are their usual nasty selfs wherever they post.

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Post by ShuBob on 27.09.13 14:58

Just been announced on Sky news that Gerry McCann's speech is coming up after the break.

I'm away from my pc shortly so won't be able to report back for some time.
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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 14:58

Thank you Tiny. That's what confused me - okay, possibly that doesn't take much these days!

A strange mixture then of reporting what is actually happening from the court and an element of members who wouldn't be out of place on JATYK2.
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Post by Guest on 27.09.13 15:04

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candyfloss wrote:But her plans to give evidence were scuppered when the judge failed to rule on whether she could take the witness stand.


 Why would the judge fail to rule, she either said yes or no surely?  
Maybe the judge failed to rule because the request was never made. Wonder if the judge could be made aware of this latest claim by TM?

What's happened to Sue Healy and Trish Cameron's evidence?
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