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Post by tiny on 20.09.13 10:46

@sharonl wrote:
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candyfloss wrote:50 comments already...

Kate McCann 'had suicidal thoughts'

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/kate-mccann-had-suicidal-thoughts-221247682.html
And not ONE good word for Kate, seems a lot more people can see through their lies
tiny wrote "a lot more people can see through their lies".

But is that true?

Look at the 50 comments so far, and nearly every one says things like "They shouldn't have left a three-year-old unsupervised".

It's clear that the vast majority of people still believe that Madeleine was abducted and that this was caused by leaving the children on their own between 9.10pm and 10.00pm on 3/5/7.

It only goes to show how successful the McCann Team's campaign has been.  

Hardly anyone seems to think that the 'checking on the children every half-hour' story and Madeleine's abduction might be an elaborate hoax - a cover story for something quite different that happened to Madeleine that week.
yes your right about people still think of  it as a   abduction,but they can see that this is a story of OH FEEL SORRY FOR ME.
The funds must be really low now
are the media helping the mccanns to get  more money in the funds with printing shite like this.
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Post by Guest on 20.09.13 10:52

This in the Guardian from Sunday 5 August 2007..........





 
Alan Pike, brought in by Mark Warner from the Yorkshire-based Centre for Crisis Psychology to help the McCanns within days of Madeleine's disappearance, said last week that he was heartened by how well both Gerry and Kate were coping. Yet even Gerry, he said, 'like most people who go through an abduction, find that positive thinking is something very, very difficult to sustain 24/7.' The forthcoming 100-day 'anniversary,' he added, would be particularly difficult for both parents. Any such milestone 'gives rise to a lot of the physical reactions associated with the early days - the shock, the feelings of anger and the helplessness and, in this case, a lot of the feelings of guilt'.
He said: 'The hope is what keeps them going... But there are still those bad days - what Gerry has referred to as the dark places - and they are not pleasant.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/aug/05/ukcrime.theobserver
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Post by Sceneset on 20.09.13 10:56

Your'e right Sharoni, he has given him self a title.He only has a degree in psychology. 

I am linked to counselling and checked the with the BACP.It seems he isn't even registered with them.
I wouldn't use him for that reason alone.

The BACP members have to accept conditions; getting regular supervision and working under the BACP framework for good working practices and for good reason as anyone can state they are a counsellor and start a practice and counsellors need support whilst counselling...

 Any ethical counsellor will want be regulated and registered.

Kate giving him the title 'psychologist' is incorrect and may be mistaken, but could also be a way of suggesting credibility and believe- ability  for his comments about her 'trauma'.
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Post by russiandoll on 20.09.13 10:58

link to latest comment on the trial from Textusa    http://textusa.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/paper-tigers.html

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Post by Cristobell on 20.09.13 11:09

The McCanns know they are on the ropes and I think that is why we have the hysterical suicide headlines.  Another ruse by this drama queen - 'give me the money or I will kill myself'.  I can imagine her as child, 'if I don't get my own way, I will scweam and scweam until I'm sick'.   

I sincerely hope the public (and the Learned Judge) can see through this.  She could have spared her children these latest lurid headlines, which imo, are far worse than anything Goncalo Amaral has said or written.  The idea that their mother could consider suicide must be the most terrifying thing an 8 year old child could hear.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.09.13 11:09

She wrote: "I had an overwhelming urge to swim out across the ocean, as hard and as fast as I could; to swim and swim and swim until I was so far out and so exhausted I could just allow the water to pull me under and relieve me of this torment.

"I wasn't keeping that desire to myself, either. I was shouting it out to anyone who happened to be in the room.
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SO WAS THIS SWIMMING 'SUICIDE' FANTASY BEFORE OR AFTER THESE TWO?

Kate McCann: I fantasised we would all be wiped out in a car crash.

She said: "I used to have thoughts like, we'll get wiped out in the car on the motorway. So it would just happen, we'd all be gone, and the pain would be away.
Informe Especial interview CTN interview

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Kate said: "It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone. Wherever. But you can't, you know. Just occasionally you'll have a -- if you're having a really bad day, which we do. And you can't help but think that."
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At least in the swimming one she dosen't want to wipe out the twins!

And as to the SAFETY of the twins the Leicester Scocial Services were TOLD YEARS and YEARS ago about her 'suicidal thoughts' about including the twins in such..

So in any potential case review, by LSS, in the future, will the LSS ever be able to STATE they were NOT TOLD!

THEY WERE!
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Post by ShuBob on 20.09.13 11:13

Is Alan Pike truly and independent trauma counsellor brought in by Mark Warner? Remember he's from Skipton, the same place as Kate's relative Michael Wright who may be one of their witnesses at this trial. Is that just another coincidence in a long list of coincidences?
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Post by plebgate on 20.09.13 11:15

well as I posted earlier on the thread, I reckon now we wont be seeing any more of her - as having to hear about this will imo probably have traumatised her again. Wont have to sit in court and listen to what the defence witnesses have to say now and certainly no questions from the press, if any of the press were to be present of course.


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Post by stillsloppingout on 20.09.13 11:24

Kate was always going to play the emotional card . hence her being there and not the creepy, un media friendly Gerry .

 When you take a good press image, you know straight away .the same way as soon as Lawton posted "Kate was suicidal" i immediately knew that would be the story . 

 That is the ploy ,play on the emotions .

 But it's not about swaying the judge in Portugal , either result ,it will be spun in the UK . it designed with the British press in mind, front pages keep the myth alive . 

 Its working . BTW: because most people in the UK believe what the papers say ,or are to thick to understand any different .  as Caesar said " give them bread and Circus's . that is what the UK public are being given .
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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.09.13 11:27

I HOPE THE MCCANNS BOUGHT UP ALL THE EXPRESS AND MIRROR 'COPIES' OF THE NEWSPAPERS FROM THE TWINS LOCAL SHOPS!

WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO HEAR TODAY AT SCHOOL?

I'M SURE KATE WAS AT THE SCHOOL GATE VERY EARLY TO TELL ALL THE OTHER KIDS NOT TO MENTION ALL HER HARD SOUGHT PUBLICITY TO THE TWINS!
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Post by ShuBob on 20.09.13 11:29

Here's the link to today's Express article:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/430794/Kate-McCann-was-suicidal-over-detective-s-lies-about-Madeleine

From the link:

Alan Pike wrote:When I spoke to the family about the film this is what I found.

They were extremely 'I think I was the only person she shared this with' angry and very disappointed and very frustrated.

"It was broadcast on TV in Portugal and the McCanns felt there was little or no chance of Madeleine ever being found in Portugal."
Forgive me but didn't the McCanns make a big deal about Maddie no longer being in Portugal within days of her disappearance? Isn't that why they paid the unprofessional (according to Dave Edgar) Metodo 3 to throwaway other people's money by targeting Morocco? So why then be concerned about Maddie never being found in Portugal never mind
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Post by marconi on 20.09.13 11:29

The British media are taking the profit to tell that Madeleine died in the apartment and that the abduction was staged and, don't forget, the fund is fraudulent.
Carter Ruck can not do anything against them. They are just reporting the hearing in Lisbon.
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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.09.13 11:30

Kate was always going to play the emotional card
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Isn't that the same card that Tracy Andrews, Miraed Philpott and Karen Matthews PLAYED?

THOSE WENT DOWN WELL, DIDN'T THEY?
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Post by ShuBob on 20.09.13 11:35

If the papers are going to tell their readership that Amaral's book was banned why don't they tell the full story and say it has since been unbanned? Are they worried people will rightfully see that this trial is a nonsense in that case?
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Post by pennylane on 20.09.13 11:36

@ShuBob wrote:
@pennylane wrote:If I were Kate, I think the guilt alone would destroy me!
I suspect this is exactly what is happening. She's just using Amaral as her cover.
Goncalo Amaral is not her enemy, her soul is.....
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Post by Angelique on 20.09.13 11:39

@ShuBob wrote:Is Alan Pike truly and independent trauma counsellor brought in by Mark Warner? Remember he's from Skipton, the same place as Kate's relative Michael Wright who may be one of their witnesses at this trial. Is that just another coincidence in a long list of coincidences?
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As in "apron wearing community" IMO - probably.

As Alan Pike gave evidence his qualifications would have stated in court so the Judge would know exactly how qualified he is.

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Post by Woofer on 20.09.13 11:40

This must be doing untold damage to Gerry`s career.  Will he have any clients left?
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Post by pennylane on 20.09.13 11:47

@Woofer wrote:This must be doing untold damage to Gerry`s career.  Will he have any clients left?
The ambitious Dr McCann will be having a major conniption.
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Post by marconi on 20.09.13 11:53

@Woofer wrote:This must be doing untold damage to Gerry`s career.  Will he have any clients left?



Gerry vanished. He knows they lost their battle. The Yard could be nearly ready with their investigation.  Arrests will be made.
Kate is trying to blackmail the Judge, convincing her that Amaral is a lier.

She misses Rebekah, does not she?
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Post by sar on 20.09.13 12:02

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@gbwales wrote:The company in which Pike is a partner - CCP - http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/ - says on their website (in a timeline feature across the foot of the page) that they had someone onsite a day after Madeleine's disappearance.

He appears to have a BA (Hons) in Social Science & Psychology - that's not a medical or clinical degree.

He was for a while a Child Protection Social Worker in local government.

"Clinical" support is only mentioned in relation to work at CCP (where he is a partner - does he make his own job titles there perhaps?)

Basically I don't see any evidence of a full clinical background, and he largely seems to describe himself online as a 'professional in trauma care' (never a psychologist) and in providing 'support' and 'counselling'.
More about Alan Pike and his partner Martin Alderton from a Madeleine Foundation article in 2009:

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Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP)

The shadowy group from Skipton, supposedly experienced in disaster counselling, who sent out two of its top people within two days of Madeleine disappearing, to give counselling to the McCanns. They came out very early indeed, considering that there was at that time a real possibility that Madeleine could be found.

On Monday 14th May, the Craven Herald [Yorkshire Newspaper] had carried the following report:

Two specialist trauma counsellors from Skipton have flown out to Portugal to help the devastated parents of missing four-year-old Madeleine McCann. Consultants Alan Pike and Martin Alderton from the Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP), based at Broughton Hall, have been by the side of Gerry and Kate McCann since their daughter Madeleine was abducted…The two experts were appointed by Mark Warner, the company which manages the resort, to assist Mr and Mrs McCann, both 38, on how best to deal with the stress and trauma of their terrible ordeal…

“Mr Pike, who is leading the team, flew over to the resort with Mark Warner managing director, David Hopkins, the day after Madeleine disappeared. Mr Alderton, who has counselled those affected by major disasters across the country, arrived the following day. A spokesman for Mark Warner said: ‘The Centre for Crisis Psychology (CCP) came highly recommended by industry partners and have been known to us for some time. Their experience in dealing with a variety of incidents is second to none’.

“Staff from the Skipton centre also visited Mark Warner's head office in London to offer counselling to employees last Wednesday. A spokesman for the Skipton centre said: ‘We are working with Mark Warner and cannot discuss any information because of commercial confidentiality. We have got two trauma consultants working on the incident. Everyone all over the country has been gripped, it is a very difficult case’. Mr Pike's experience in trauma work includes domestic violence and abuse, child abuse, emergency planning and assessment, and adoption.

Since joining CCP in 2004, he has been involved in consulting with companies following road traffic accidents, personal attacks, terrorist bombings, shootings, robberies, drowning and staff bereavement. Mr Alderton provided clinical support following the 2003 Manchester motorway minibus crash in which seven people died”.

That was a very heavy degree of involvement from this Skipton-based group from a very early stage. On 4th May, both Mark Warner’s managing director, David Hopkins, and Alan Pike, flew out to Praia da Luz. An unspecified number of Mark Warners’ staff were ‘counselled’ at Mark Warners HQ. Already, it was clear that this was no ordinary case. The ‘Craven Herald’ added for good measure: “The focus has shifted from a local search for Madeleine to an international child abduction inquiry, amid suggestions she may have been taken out of Portugal”.

From this report we may deduce that, already, Skipton was very close to the nerve centre of the operation to support the McCanns. The company CCP appears to have been deployed in the past by Richard Branson, who of course has strongly and financially backed the McCanns, and who also is or was the President of the ‘UK Citizens Arrested Abroad Committee'.

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Post by PeterMac on 20.09.13 12:05

Yet more proof,if any were needed, that they KNEW Madeleine would never be found.
The McCanns KNEW, and all those who were sent out to see them also clearly KNEW.
Not one of them said, "let's go for a long walk round whilst we talk, just in case we see something.

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Post by sallypelt on 20.09.13 12:10

If I was in KM's position, and my child had GENUINELY disappeared, and had been abducted by persons unknown, as claimed by KM, I would be BEGGING the PJ to do a reconstruction with my 100% support. I would answer ANY question they put to me, and regardless of how close my friends were, I would have SOME suspicion of those who  had "looked in" on the children, on their "checks". 

There are two casualties in this whole sorry saga, and those are Madeleine McCann and TRUTH
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Post by jeanmonroe on 20.09.13 12:19

The 'McCanns BIG GUNS"

ALL the witnesses so far, guns trained fully on the immovable object and the irresistible force, GA..

Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom,
Boom, Boom, Boom, Boom,

Isabel Durate: Boom, Boom, Boom?

And the McCann's 'star witnesses' song, sung to the tune of Auld Lang Syne;

We're here because we're here because
We're here because we're here.
We're here because we're here because
We're here because..... Kate paid.
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Post by Woofer on 20.09.13 12:25

Is there a list of all the people that got involved or were called over to PdL soon after Maddie went missing?

Be interesting to see how it compares to when Ben Needham went missing.
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Post by Penfold on 20.09.13 12:35

A rather unsettling line on CCP's website -

"We're just a phone call away, ready to help with your trauma care needs – whether you are in the middle of dealing with an incident and need advice, or you’re planning for the future."




Planning for a future trauma eh?

http://www.ccpsupport.co.uk/
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