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Post by Daisy 29.12.13 13:12

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Daisy, that has to be Jane Tanner's daughter - she was then about a month short of her 4th birthday. The girl in the striped top in the photos in my link is the Paynes' daughter who was nearer to 3 than 4.
Right, thank you for putting me straight. I've always been under the impression it was LP

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Post by Woofer 29.12.13 13:22

E**a O`Brien born July 2003 Leicester

L**y Payne born September 2004 Leicester
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Post by Guest 29.12.13 14:41

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Daisy, that has to be Jane Tanner's daughter - she was then about a month short of her 4th birthday. The girl in the striped top in the photos in my link is the Paynes' daughter who was nearer to 3 than 4.
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Just for once I beg to differ with you, NFWTD.   roses  IMO it's really LP, the only girl in the group Madeleine knew well. On the photo with DP and two girls: that's the O'B girl camera left and LP camera right.
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Post by Guest 29.12.13 16:09

Yes I agree with that, Chatelaine.

Are we at cross purposes? The girl on the left - whom we agree is Jane Tanner's daughter - is also pictured on her own with sunglasses.

The Payne girl is wearing the same top in the rather strange playground photo.

http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/L/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_608b_c.jpg
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Post by Daisy 29.12.13 17:09

Easy to get mistaken though. Bridget certainly did and she was there! 

Quote B O'D: "Our children made friends in the kiddie club and at the drop-off, we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys."

Just an afterthought, but what group does she refer to?

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Post by Guest 30.12.13 7:29

@Woofer wrote:E**a O`Brien born July 2003 Leicester

L**y Payne born September 2004 Leicester

Thanks Woofer, I've snipped this from JT's first statement:

She has been on holiday in Portugal since last Saturday, 28th April, staying at the OC resort in P da L, Lagos, together with her partner (Russell O'Brien), their two children and three couples (Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, Matthew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly and David and Fiona Payne. The group also included Fiona Payne's mother, Diane Webster.

She was accompanied by her two children, E**a O'Brien aged three and E**e O'Brien aged one.

The other couples also brought their children, G***e Oldfield aged one (the daughter of Rachel Mampilly and Matthew Oldfield), L*** Payne aged two and S******* Payne, aged 11 months (daughters of David and Fiona Payne) and the twins Amelie and Sean McCann aged two and Madeleine McCann who would be four in two weeks time (children of Kate and Gerry McCann).

So from the above L*** Payne age two and wasn't she in the Jellyfish Creche with the twins? E**a O'Brien age three in the Lobster Creche with Madeleine?
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Tend to agree NFWTD that the girl with the sunglasses on is E**a O'Brien. According to FP's first statement:

Around 12H30/13H00 they would go to get the children from the crêche and would have lunch in the apartment, at times with other children.

This could be where the photo of E**a was taken?

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http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GREYSCALE_SNAPS.htm

Made me crinch to see DP with children, imo there is a child who is so like Madeleine she could be her twin!?
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Post by tigger 30.12.13 12:54

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Tend to agree NFWTD that the girl with the sunglasses on is E**a O'Brien. According to FP's first statement:

Around 12H30/13H00 they would go to get the children from the crêche and would have lunch in the apartment, at times with other children.

This could be where the photo of E**a was taken?

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Made me crinch to see DP with children, imo there is a child who is so like Madeleine she could be her twin!?

This girl is a dead ringer for the girl in the photo coming out of the playhouse imo. pink t shirt too here. Teeth are alsomore like hers. Hair length fits.

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Post by jeanmonroe 30.12.13 13:30

....there is another girl, Emily Jane McCann, born in Mendip, Somerset. Her birth was registered in January 2003 and her mother's maiden name is also Healy.
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 14:00

@jeanmonroe wrote:....there is another girl, Emily Jane McCann, born in Mendip, Somerset. Her birth was registered in January 2003 and her mother's maiden name is also Healy.
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Could be with a couple of the Tapas 7!!

tigger, do you mean this one, she's wearing a white T shirt

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Post by Rasputin 30.12.13 14:15

Just as a matter of interest has anyone ever done a reverse google image search on any of the available photo's ?, another decent image look-up tool is ..tinyeye, these can show you where else an image has been posted ...sometimes leading to other images.
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 15:36

@jeanmonroe wrote:....there is another girl, Emily Jane McCann, born in Mendip, Somerset. Her birth was registered in January 2003 and her mother's maiden name is also Healy.
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WHERE is the 10 years old Emily Jane McCann right now?

You can try Googling Emily Jane McCann but I wouldn't want to drag another innocent party into this, and investigating other people's children isn't exactly something I'm comfortable with.

It's boiling down to one inevitable question - is the girl in the "last" photo actually MBM?
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 16:42

I think it was Lance who said recently that this family has been checked out and found to have no connection to their infamous namesakes.

I say yes to that last question but I just don't think that the photo was taken when it was claimed to be.
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Post by suep 30.12.13 19:11

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
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You can try Googling Emily Jane McCann but I wouldn't want to drag another innocent party into this, and investigating other people's children isn't exactly something I'm comfortable with.

It's boiling down to one inevitable question - is the girl in the "last" photo actually MBM?


I'm not sure any more which photos are Madeleine.The whole thing makes me feel very uneasy. I just looked on Google images for photos of her and the one thing that stood out was the number of pictures, even the ones of a very young Madeleine, where she seems to have her eyes made up with expertly applied mascara...am I imagining this? I hope so. No matter how hard I try I can't think of one good reason why a parent would want to use make up on a toddler...
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 19:22

@suep wrote:

I'm not sure any more which photos are Madeleine.The whole thing makes me feel very uneasy. I just looked on Google images for photos of her and the one thing that stood out was the number of pictures, even the ones of a very young Madeleine, where she seems to have her eyes made up with expertly applied  mascara...am I imagining this? I hope so. No matter how hard I try I can't think of one good reason why a parent would want to use make up on a toddler...

My daughter was born looking like she was equipped with false eyelashes, and still does. She reminds me of the pink hippopotamus off Rainbow. Even I find it a bit unsettling now and then, and I'm her father!

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Post by suep 30.12.13 20:26

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I'm not sure any more which photos are Madeleine.The whole thing makes me feel very uneasy. I just looked on Google images for photos of her and the one thing that stood out was the number of pictures, even the ones of a very young Madeleine, where she seems to have her eyes made up with expertly applied  mascara...am I imagining this? I hope so. No matter how hard I try I can't think of one good reason why a parent would want to use make up on a toddler...

My daughter was born looking like she was equipped with false eyelashes, and still does. She reminds me of the pink hippopotamus off Rainbow. Even I find it a bit unsettling now and then, and I'm her father!


Well that makes me feel a bit better, Clay, thanks. There's so much speculation about this case regarding the paedophilia angle you find yourself looking for any small thing that's suspicious. Its so easy to lose track of reality. And its hard not to get emotionally involved when its an innocent child's life that's been so immensely impacted.
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Post by canada12 30.12.13 20:28

I tend to agree with suep. There's a difference between having naturally thick and dark eyelashes, and having eyes in photos that look like they've been outlined in black eyeliner. Madeleine did not have naturally thick and dark eyelashes, from what I can see. Check out her eyes in the "school" photo with the twins. And then look at the photo of her in the red sundress, holding the Doctor Who sonic screwdriver.

Edited to find a better example of Madeleine's eyes, wide open.
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 20:31

Suep, I don't think you're imagining the make-up in the photos.  What struck me too is that it looks as though an adult has applied it, not a child.
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Post by tigger 30.12.13 20:55

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Could be with a couple of the Tapas 7!!

tigger, do you mean this one, she's wearing a white T shirt

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Thanks, yes I do. Confident smile, teeth closer together - put those two together I would think it's the same girll. I only said pink because pink and Maddie were  very much promoted as being associated.

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Post by Guest 30.12.13 21:09

@canada12 wrote:I tend to agree with suep. There's a difference between having naturally thick and dark eyelashes, and having eyes in photos that look like they've been outlined in black eyeliner. Madeleine did not have naturally thick and dark eyelashes, from what I can see. Check out her eyes in the "school" photo with the twins. And then look at the photo of her in the red sundress, holding the Doctor Who sonic screwdriver.

Edited to find a better example of Madeleine's eyes, wide open.
See the photos available on this link here:
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A lot of their photos have this certain quality, I can't find the words to describe it, but they look somehow aged. Bear in mind that ALL photos of Maddie would have been taken in the 21st century, many (the first birthday cake one is a prime example) have a weird kind of 70's vibe about them. I can't explain it any better than that.
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Post by Guest 30.12.13 21:10

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Thanks, yes I do. Confident smile, teeth closer together -  put those two together I would think it's the same girll. I only said pink because pink and Maddie were  very much promoted as being associated.

I'm going to have to be unkindly blunt here, but I've always though that girl looks more "normal" than Maddie. Sorry.
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Post by juliet 30.12.13 21:25

I still don't know who is the little girl being clutched by Payne in those balcony pix. Some say it is the O'Brien child but is it definitely? Payne is really holding her hard....poor kid seems unhappy about it.
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Post by juliet 30.12.13 22:14

Do people think the child was made up or that the photos were enhanced? Either way it is very troubling. And again something ignored by the grovellng see no evil media.
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Thanks, yes I do. Confident smile, teeth closer together -  put those two together I would think it's the same girll. I only said pink because pink and Maddie were  very much promoted as being associated.

I'm going to have to be unkindly blunt here, but I've always though that girl looks more "normal" than Maddie. Sorry.

I agree, poor little thing rarely looks confident, always insecure. Which is why the very blonde one of the Everton shirts ( available very quickly - we're back to football here, Celtic colours for the wristbands, Everton shirt photos for Liverpool. )isn't Maddie either. Hmm all those closed smiles - so unnatural for a toddler. Teeth a give awy?
Imo the strategy was to mix in similar children - confusion is good..


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Post by suep 31.12.13 6:52

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote:I tend to agree with suep. There's a difference between having naturally thick and dark eyelashes, and having eyes in photos that look like they've been outlined in black eyeliner. Madeleine did not have naturally thick and dark eyelashes, from what I can see. Check out her eyes in the "school" photo with the twins. And then look at the photo of her in the red sundress, holding the Doctor Who sonic screwdriver.

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Thanks for the link, canada. The photos on there that always freak me out a lot are the ones where her hair is crimped. She looks much much older and 'streetwise' than a three year old and whenever I see them the unwelcome phrase 'tarted up' comes to mind. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to make up their little girl to look like that.There's also something about the way Madeleine poses for many of the photos I've seen that bothers me...as if she's learned what expressions please the photographer, a bit like a professional glamour model does...I can't quite put my finger on exactly what I mean.

Juliet, I don't have a link to the photo you mentioned to hand but I know the one you mean. I don't know whose child David Payne is clutching but she doesn't look comfortable. The odd thing is that it seems to be only her left leg that's visible but there's no sign of her other leg and I can't work out where it could be. Payne seems to be grasping her really tightly and she seems to be pushing at his arm as if to get out of his grasp.
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