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Post by Searcher on 13.08.13 1:55

In the Catriona Baker thread on this forum, the nanny is quoted as allegedly saying to the PJ that "she had seen a man acting suspiciously near the apartment".  If so, this concern would have been reported at the time to a  line manager at the Ocean Club, with a date, time, description, and would have been formally recorded?  I wonder if this was ever followed up.  Staff training, especially for nannies, would surely have included a formal procedure for such a concern?
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 13.08.13 9:47

I'm 100% they would have done a Rogatory for her - I expect there is some interesting material provided by whomever she was in the withheld files. Has anyone ever heard of a name relating to the nanny??

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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 10:30

I'm wondering if there even was a nanny at this point. Not a sniff of an interview from her to say how sad she was to miss the holiday and, had she been there, she would have kept the "abductor" at bay. 

Now, if I'm wrong, please correct me but I don't think there is any mention in the truthful book that there was a nanny and the problems caused by her going abroad.

I know that if Kate had talked about a nanny we'd have to take it with a pinch of salt but, nevertheless, the fact that she isn't mentioned could well indicate that she doesn't exist.
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Post by tigger on 13.08.13 10:37

This is from the topic Charlotte Pennington
- this link should give more info on the nanny whether she existed or not.

http://truthformadeleine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=60

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Post by whmon on 13.08.13 10:45

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I'm wondering if there even was a nanny at this point. Not a sniff of an interview from her to say how sad she was to miss the holiday and, had she been there, she would have kept the "abductor" at bay. 

Now, if I'm wrong, please correct me but I don't think there is any mention in the truthful book that there was a nanny and the problems caused by her going abroad.

I know that if Kate had talked about a nanny we'd have to take it with a pinch of salt but, nevertheless, the fact that she isn't mentioned could well indicate that she doesn't exist.
 As far as I can see the only concrete mention of the nanny is by the landlady of a local pub:



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Valerie Armstrong, landlady of Rothley’s Royal Oak pub, where the McCanns sometimes go for lunch or dinner, said: “They are lovely, gentle, caring people.” She said that they would let pnly their nanny or relatives babysit the children, and chose the Mark Warner resort precisely because they thought that it was safe.

Now this may seem far-fetched but perhaps the landlady enquired about their childcare arrangements just in conversation while they were in the pub. Perhaps they told her the had a nanny as a cover up to hide the fact that actually - they had gone out for the evening leaving their children HOME ALONE.

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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 10:56

This does indeed seem to be the only identifiable quote about a nanny and it's not from someone who could have known as a fact that there was one.

I don't think there's any proof that there was a nanny in May 2007 - I tried not to say that the same goes for smelly foreign paedophile kidnappers but I couldn't manage it!
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Post by Dr What on 13.08.13 11:02

If this nanny really existed and knew the McCann child care routines, then she might have some interesting information about the routine use of night-time sedatives/calpol....... you know the stuff the McCanns never used.

Could be rather awkward to the McCanns.If she existed, you would consider her to be an important witness.It may well be that she has already made a statement to the PJ.
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Post by Praiaaa on 13.08.13 11:16

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Valerie Armstrong, landlady of Rothley’s Royal Oak pub, where the McCanns sometimes go for lunch or dinner, said: “They are lovely, gentle, caring people.” She said that they would let pnly their nanny or relatives babysit the children, and chose the Mark Warner resort precisely because they thought that it was safe.

Now this may seem far-fetched but perhaps the landlady enquired about their childcare arrangements just in conversation while they were in the pub. Perhaps they told her the had a nanny as a cover up to hide the fact that actually - they had gone out for the evening leaving their children HOME ALONE.
Yes, I love the reference to 'sometimes had lunch or dinner - like the 'dined' with friends in the tapa bar, not on the lash, then, definitely not...
They are likely to have bigged up their status to pub landlady, having a 'nanny' probably is what they would aspire to, but if they had anyone it would probably be a lowly or unpaid au-pair, or visiting young relative from Canada
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Post by whmon on 13.08.13 11:30

This could all possibly be related to GMs deleted CATS file. Perhaps they did regularly go out leaving the children alone. As Doctors they would have had access to sedatives to administer to the children before they left the house. Maybe KM was off visiting friends or whatever and GM decided to go out on his own and on this occasion the authorities got wind of it. So, it would only have been GM who went onto Social Services register as KM had not been party to it (on this occasion.)

With only one neglectful parent they could have got away with not having the children removed from the home, KM could have been adamant that it would never had happened had she been present - hence CATS file but the children remaining with the parents.

Another thing - perhaps the sleep chart was produced AFTER the return from Portugal as a 'red-herring' to convince the police that the children were not regularly sedated in the UK (or why would there be a sleep chart.)

Perhaps a tragic accident on holiday resulted in the need to make the body disappear because an autopsy would have shown regular sedation over a period of time resulting in two struck off Doctors, the twins being taken into care and the house repossessed due to no salaries coming in to meet it.

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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 11:37

Maybe she wasn't a Nanny has such but a teaching assistant doing extra hours. This makes interesting reading.


Cartas Rogatorias Vol V

Pages 20 to 21

Leicestershire Police Force

Statement by Sharon LEWIN

Occupation: Teaching Assistant

This statement (2 pages) is truthful in accordance with my understanding.

Date: 21st April 2008

I am the person referred to above and I work as a teaching assistant at Laurels Nursery School, Melton Road, Queniborough, Leicestershire. The nursery school has the capacity to receive about 80 children full-time, aged between 6 weeks and 5 years and is open from 07.30 to 18.00 daily. The children are grouped according to age and I work in the section that looks after children aged between two and half and three years old. I have worked at the nursery for five years and I am currently on maternity leave.

I got to know Madeleine and her parents Kate and Gerry through my work at the nursery school. Madeleine started at the nursery when she was about two years old.

When she was two and a half she joined the group supervised by me, I think it was in 2006, and she remained there for about 6 months. Madeleine attended on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays.


She would be dropped off between 08.00 and 08.30 and would return home at about 17.00. The dropping off and picking up was taken in turns by the parents and as a result of this Kate and Gerry asked me to take care of the children during the evening on some occasions. Kate would pick Madeleine up from the nursery at the end of the day and I would accompany them to their house. We would have tea and I would help give Madeleine her bath.

Kate and Gerry would go out and I would watch a DVD with the girl before telling her a bedtime story.

I think I did this about 5 times and on each occasion it was at their home in Rothley.

I always think of Madeleine as an alert and affectionate girl who liked to live. She was very advanced for her age and independent. She liked to dance and to dress up.

Kate and Gerry were always very friendly to me. I am quite close to both of them and they were always kind and generous. I am probably a bit closer to Kate who would sometimes send me text messages and I would take my baby along to visit her and have coffee.


I consider her to be a good friend.

I never saw Madeleine have any problem or conflict with her parents, family members or friends.

I would describe them as a charming family who loved each other. The twins adored their older sister and Kate and Gerry would often play with the children.

Madeleine felt comfortable at the nursery school, she had many friends and got on well with the other children.

Madeleine was quite a healthy girl. She had a good appetite and ate well. I don't remember any injury or accident. She would occasionally have a small scrape at the nursery but nothing abnormal. During the six months she was under my care she was absent five times because of being unwell, but they were just small colds with a high temperature.

At the nursery medication could only be administered by the senior members of staff and with the agreement of the children's parents. The only medication that I recall Madeleine taking was Calpol to lower her temperature.


 Madeleine never complained about her family or friends and as I have already stated I consider them to be a charming family. She loved her mother and father and always knew who would pick her up from the nursery ad was always anxious for that moment. Gerry and Kate never appeared to have any problems in dealing with Madeleine. We would have regular meetings with the parents at the nursery and they never expressed any worry in relation to Madeleine's behaviour.

Madeleine was a very active child but I would not call her hyperactive. She never got over excited and always had good behaviour. Madeleine was easy to look after, a very independent girl but she never placed herself in dangerous situations, as far as I saw.

Occasionally during the afternoon, some of the children would have a siesta in the dormitory but Madeleine never did. I had the opportunity to be present at her bedtime when I looked after her. Bath time was at about 18.30 - 19.00 and she would later go to bed at about 19.30 – 20.00 I would read her a story or two and she would always fall asleep half way through.

Gerry and Kate would normally return home at about 22.30 and before this I would check whether she was all right, by looking around the bedroom door. I do not have knowledge of the girl waking up after she fell asleep.

This statement was made by me and is truthful in accordance with my understanding.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/SHARON_LEWIN.htm

Could she be the one who went to Canada?

Another one!

Leicestershire Police Force

Statement by Hayley Jane Plummer

Occupation: Nursery School Teacher

This statement consisting of two pages is true and in accordance with my understanding.

Date 6th May 2008


Read more:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HAYLEY_PLUMBER.htm
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Post by tigger on 13.08.13 12:51

O good. So Ms Lewin doesn't give us the last time she saw Maddie and Ms Plummer gives us the Thursday before the holiday. She is also related to Kate Healy.

The picture they draw is completely at odds with those of Kate andGerry themselves and that of the family.
'She was a screamer-she could throw a tantrum etc.'

Also interesting is slipping in the Calpol - for relief of fever. touch of the pink one? 

All this was organised at the Rothley meeting imo. We have never seen a single statement in the press from either of these women early on, which would be expected at the time. 
E.g. 'All her classmates miss her'. 

One only looked after Maddieup to her third birthday? So the following year appears to have been pivotal.

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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 13:30

To be clear, it was Hayley Plummer's boyfriend James who is Kate's cousin.

Perhaps we can hire a crack team of detectives (Earth to Messrs Cowley and Edgar, come in please) to organise a search for the missing nanny, with Donal MacIntyre and film crew in tow.

Their reputation for hunting people who probably don't exist is second to none.

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Post by whmon on 13.08.13 13:35

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:To be clear, it was Hayley Plummer's boyfriend James who is Kate's cousin.

Perhaps we can hire a crack team of detectives (Earth to Messrs Cowley and Edgar, come in please) to organise a search for the missing nanny, with Donal MacIntyre and film crew in tow.

Their reputation for hunting people who probably don't exist is second to none.

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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 13:40

@tigger wrote:O good. So Ms Lewin doesn't give us the last time she saw Maddie and Ms Plummer gives us the Thursday before the holiday. She is also related to Kate Healy.

The picture they draw is completely at odds with those of Kate andGerry themselves and that of the family.
'She was a screamer-she could throw a tantrum etc.'

Also interesting is slipping in the Calpol - for relief of fever. touch of the pink one? 

All this was organised at the Rothley meeting imo. We have never seen a single statement in the press from either of these women early on, which would be expected at the time. 
E.g. 'All her classmates miss her'. 

One only looked after Maddieup to her third birthday? So the following year appears to have been pivotal.
 Agree with what you say tigger, did they remember their statements by heart or were they reading from a script ie "oh I just made some notes"?

Who iis James, KM's cousin?

 NFWTD, wonder what is surname is?
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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 13:43

I assume that he is James Kennedy, the son of Brian (not the window man!) and Janet Kennedy.
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Post by aiyoyo on 13.08.13 14:01

Actually IMO statements of part-time nanny or au pair in Rothley matters very little to the big scheme of things.

More pertinent would be why Mccanns invited Catriona Baker to Rothley? Under Portugal Secrecy Code they're forbidden to communicate with witnesses, but they simply did as they like totally disregarding the rules.
It's unheard of that suspects are allowed to interfere with or manipulate witness.

Mark Warner did not return Ms Baker to Portugal from Greece and she has since left the company. She is now a live-in nanny looking after three children. Her location is being withheld on the request of the McCanns.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487506/Revealed-The-nanny-help-clear-McCanns-name.html#ixzz2bqxjp0I8
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It would interest me to know whether Police interview Baker again post Rothley's visit. If not, why not?
Maybe she's one of the 12 Brits POI that Yard are keen to follow up.
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Post by Praiaaa on 13.08.13 14:26

@whmon wrote:This could all possibly be related to GMs deleted CATS file. .
Sorry - what is a CATS file?
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Post by Praiaaa on 13.08.13 14:33

Okay, sorry have just searched - wow!!!!! Missed all that, had no idea
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Post by tigger on 13.08.13 16:29

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:To be clear, it was Hayley Plummer's boyfriend James who is Kate's cousin.

Perhaps we can hire a crack team of detectives (Earth to Messrs Cowley and Edgar, come in please) to organise a search for the missing nanny, with Donal MacIntyre and film crew in tow.

Their reputation for hunting people who probably don't exist is second to none.

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Sorry, I didn't make that clear. Kennedy, the uncle - on the job  with the Fund. Smiling broadly when informing us the Fund is for legal expenses... If HP did indeed marry into the family or not , it' s not a statement that can be taken at face value.

I know what Cowley and Edgar are hunting -    The. Snark!

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Post by Hicks on 13.08.13 19:07

@tigger wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:To be clear, it was Hayley Plummer's boyfriend James who is Kate's cousin.

Perhaps we can hire a crack team of detectives (Earth to Messrs Cowley and Edgar, come in please) to organise a search for the missing nanny, with Donal MacIntyre and film crew in tow.

Their reputation for hunting people who probably don't exist is second to none.

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Sorry, I didn't make that clear. Kennedy, the uncle - on the job  with the Fund. Smiling broadly when informing us the Fund is for legal expenses... If HP did indeed marry into the family or not , it' s not a statement that can be taken at face value.

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 Just found this.


http://www.google.co.uk/url?.


Now is this before or after the trip to Portugal?
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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 19:09

That link doesn't work, Hicks.
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Post by Hicks on 13.08.13 19:20

@Hicks wrote:
@tigger wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:To be clear, it was Hayley Plummer's boyfriend James who is Kate's cousin.

Perhaps we can hire a crack team of detectives (Earth to Messrs Cowley and Edgar, come in please) to organise a search for the missing nanny, with Donal MacIntyre and film crew in tow.

Their reputation for hunting people who probably don't exist is second to none.

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Sorry, I didn't make that clear. Kennedy, the uncle - on the job  with the Fund. Smiling broadly when informing us the Fund is for legal expenses... If HP did indeed marry into the family or not , it' s not a statement that can be taken at face value.

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 Just found this.


http://www.google.co.uk/url?.


Now is this before or after the trip to Portugal?
 Sorry, just noticed. If you Google.....Legally Blond Musical-The McCann family Nanny takes the.....it is a picture of her, one I have never seen before. Well assuming it is the same Nanny.
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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 19:29

http://www.buddytv.com/legally-blonde-the-musical/photos/the-mccann-family-nanny-takes-the-mccann-children-amelie-and-sea-47934.aspx

Interesting - so she does exist; at least after September 2007 when the family returned from PDL.

I'm assuming that there is once again no mention of her in the truthful book.
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Post by Hicks on 13.08.13 19:40

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.buddytv.com/legally-blonde-the-musical/photos/the-mccann-family-nanny-takes-the-mccann-children-amelie-and-sea-47934.aspx

Interesting - so she does exist; at least after September 2007 when the family returned from PDL.

I'm assuming that there is once again no mention of her in the truthful book.
 Thanks for posting the link.

This I find very interesting , how many times have we heard, in several interviews, that Kate is ever more protective with the twins after Madeleine went missing she can't let them out of her sight, it was only recently that she managed to buy some petrol and leave the twins in the car while she went to pay, no trouble though having a non family member take them out of her sight.
Why no mention of this Nanny?
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Post by Guest on 13.08.13 19:45

I was about to rant about the McCanns allowing the twins to be used in this way but then I spotted it...

the Gap top.

An item of clothing from a shop that Kate considered an extravagance for Madeleine is fine for Amelie to wear on an ordinary day with the nanny.
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