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Post by Praia on 27.06.14 2:23

As I said before, AFAIK, it's not the same person.

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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 6:52

I agree Praia, I don't know why it was ever suggested that Bridget O'Donnell was running this business. As far as I am aware, she and her family have always lived in the U K - a hell of a commute to work each day!
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Post by sharonl on 27.06.14 7:14

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I don't know if it's true that Bridget O'Donnell is or was a partner in an estate agency business. I'll try and find the topic where this was mentioned before.

P.S. The name of the company is McCarrick & O'Donnell but I can't find anything as to who the O'Donnell partner is.

This one?

McCarrick & O'Donnell Estate Agents. McCarrick & O'Donnell - Estate Agents. Avenida Dos Descobrimentos 43I Lagos, Algarve PORTUGAL 8600. Telephone: ...

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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 7:17

Yes, that's the one I posted a link to last night but I don't think there's any connection at all to Bridget O'Donnell.
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Post by tigger on 27.06.14 7:33

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Yes, that's the one I posted a link to last night but I don't think there's any connection at all to Bridget O'Donnell.

See the separate topic on O'Donnell and Lance de Boils' topic on JW etc.

I think it's very likely  that she is the estate agent. I had a friend who sold property in Italy whilst living in the UK.
Imo quite a normal scenario as most clients would be from the UK.
It's not exactly a full-time job and they usually get paid a one-off fee for each property that is sold.

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Post by Gillyspot on 27.06.14 7:36

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Yes, that's the one I posted a link to last night but I don't think there's any connection at all to Bridget O'Donnell.
No Bridget is not in the picture.

Here is a better image (bottom left photo) http://www.portugalimages.net/albums.asp?AID=847

Here is more about Bridget

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Bridget O’Donnell worked at the BBC for ten years as a producer and director in Documentaries, Crime and Drama. On maternity leave she wrote her first play, Lie Back in Anger, which was produced by the Union Theatre in London. She now writes for the Guardian, Daily Mail and SabotageTimes.com, and continues to work as a freelance director and in television development.
Her first book is a historical true-crime story set in the 1880s about the extraordinary events leading up to the raising of the age of consent. Inspector Minahan Makes a Stand is published by Picador."

http://www.davidhigham.co.uk/clients/Bridget_O__Donnell.htm

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Post by sharonl on 27.06.14 7:39

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Yes, that's the one I posted a link to last night but I don't think there's any connection at all to Bridget O'Donnell.

I cant see anything obvious

Elaine McCarrick is one director. 

It must involve Luz properties

http://www.lagos-luz.com/ 


Here is a fuzzy picture of the 4 woman that ran the company, oddly they seem very cagey about naming the other 3. 

Company started in April 2007

http://portugalresident.com/making-property-purchase-an-enjoyable-experience

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MCCARRICK & O’Donnell is a real estate agency with a difference... it’s an all-woman team that listens to its clients’ every need.Opened in April 2007, the office is conveniently located opposite the marina, along the main Avenida in Lagos.The business, which was started by director Elaine McCarrick, specialises in the western Algarve, although the majority of their portfolio is located around Lagos, Praia da Luz and Salema. All kinds of properties are listed on their books, from land, apartments, townhouses and villas to country estates and commercial enterprises.“We do not try to do the hard sell at all,” says Elaine. Instead, the company tracks the market conditions on a weekly basis and matches any properties with any potential clients. “This way, sales are made quickly and efficiently and often occur before the property has even been placed on our website or in our window! The girls are all trained not to wait,” says Elaine. “They identify what their clients’ requirements are and then match their ideal property to them.”Offering an honest and genuine personal service, the girls at McCarrick & O’Donnell listen to their clients’ needs and maintain their positive attitude at all times.“We literally hold our clients’ hands and guide them through the whole buying process, and we aim to make it an enjoyable experience. We can take the stress out of buying a property in the Algarve,” says Elaine.With more than 300 properties in their portfolio, Elaine stresses that they are still in need of more properties from the 400,000 euro mark and upwards for a string of clients who are ready to buy here. “With the credit crunch in Britain at the moment, we are seeing a lot more families upping sticks to move to the Algarve for a whole new life. This, in itself, is creating a demand for more properties here,” stresses Elaine.For more information, contact 282 799 401, email info@mccarrick-odonnell.com or visit www.mccarrick-odonnell.com

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Post by Gillyspot on 27.06.14 7:44

@sharonl wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Yes, that's the one I posted a link to last night but I don't think there's any connection at all to Bridget O'Donnell.

I cant see anything obvious

Elaine McCarrick is one director. 

It must involve Luz properties

http://www.lagos-luz.com/ 


Here is a fuzzy picture of the 4 woman that ran the company, oddly they seem very cagey about naming the other 3. 

Company started in April 2007


Left to right on your picture & my link (see above) they are Elaine McCarrick, Antonia Duarte, Nina Abbott & Gill Courtney.

I can't find any one called O'Donnell linked to this company & am sure it is nothing to do with the case.

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Post by DurhamGuy1967 on 27.06.14 8:19

Something has always puzzled me.

Why didn't Gerry say he saw Jane and Creshman while he was talking to JW?
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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 8:21

Gillyspot, I imagine that the name O'Donnell must have been chosen for a reason - perhaps the name of a sleeping partner in the business?

There's certainly nothing in my opinion to prove a connection with Bridget.
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Post by canada12 on 27.06.14 8:35

@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:Something has always puzzled me.

Why didn't Gerry say he saw Jane and Creshman while he was talking to JW?

Maybe because she was never there, and in this case he was (amazingly) telling the truth. He honestly didn't see her.
I think it's because if he was ever questioned about his seeing her (ie, in a police interview situation), he would have to provide details. And if JT was ever questioned about seeing him (ie, in a police interview situation), she would have to provide details. And if those details didn't match, one or the other of them might be in serious trouble.

Simpler for GM to just say he didn't see her, and then he can't provide right or wrong details to verify or discount what JT's account might be.
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Post by PeterMac on 27.06.14 9:18

@canada12 wrote:
@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:Something has always puzzled me.
Why didn't Gerry say he saw Jane and Creshman while he was talking to JW?
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Simpler for GM to just say he didn't see her, and then he can't provide right or wrong details to verify or discount what JT's account might be.

IF, and only IF I were drawing up a scenario, it would involve as few people as possible seeing anything.
It would also involved almost no one being around to corroborate anyone else, in case that anyone else then changed their story.

So NONE of the Tapas group is around on 3rd, and therefore NONE of them can say they saw Madeleine, - but as important is that none of them can say they DIDN'T see her
Only one person sees Tannerman
No one sees Tanner
Gerry does his check alone
Kate does her check alone
The other bloke either does, or does not do, the check alone - even though minutes earlier he was with someone else -

The problems come when two people try to describe the same scene, and we end up with the Front door / patio door fiasco
Broken shutters / perfect shutters, curtains wide open / tight closed and whooshing, sedation / no sedation / MUST have been sedated, Fund for legal fees / NOT for legal fees
and so on.
The outright lies are only exposed when two or more people are involved.
If they know know they are on their own they can say what they want and then change it, putting it down to mistake or forgetfulness
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Post by bobbin on 27.06.14 9:35

@PeterMac wrote:
@canada12 wrote:
@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:Something has always puzzled me.
Why didn't Gerry say he saw Jane and Creshman while he was talking to JW?
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Simpler for GM to just say he didn't see her, and then he can't provide right or wrong details to verify or discount what JT's account might be.

IF, and only IF I were drawing up a scenario, it would involve as few people as possible seeing anything.
It would also involved almost no one being around to corroborate anyone else, in case that anyone else then changed their story.

So NONE of the Tapas group is around on 3rd, and therefore NONE of them can say they saw Madeleine, - but as important is that none of them can say they DIDN'T see her
Only one person sees Tannerman
No one sees Tanner
Gerry does his check alone
Kate does her check alone
The other bloke either does, or does not do, the check alone - even though minutes earlier he was with someone else -

The problems come when two people try to describe the same scene, and we end up with the Front door / patio door fiasco
Broken shutters / perfect shutters,  curtains wide open / tight closed and whooshing,  sedation / no sedation / MUST have been sedated, Fund for legal fees / NOT for legal fees
and so on.
The outright lies are only exposed when two or more people are involved.
If they know know they are on their own they can say what they want and then change it, putting it down to mistake or forgetfulness
I'm surprised though that he didn't use his 'confusion is good' card.
He could have said, I seem to recall that there was someone moving about in the area but wasn't really looking around, I was just concentrating on talking to Jez and listening to what he was saying.... spin
This way, Jane's vision could have been justified.
I am surprised that he has, in denying her presence, spoiled one of his main alibis.
But then, prone to thinking on the hoof, this could be another of Gerry's famous c**kups, just like the not jemmied windows, the solid wooden fully glazed patio door opened by a key at the front of the building at the back.
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Post by ReinierK on 27.06.14 15:12

Another interesting thing about Jez's testimony is that he says GM came from the corridor in front of the apartments, while GM (at the time) claimed he used the front door.

I think this is a crucial piece of the puzzle.

I also wonder if JW knows what direction GM was heading after their brief chat, or at least if JT or GM can tell (I bet they can't)...

Something about this little meeting isn't quite right: GM coming from the apartment's back, not the front might really be important!
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Post by Guest on 27.06.14 15:19

Possibly one reason GM changed his story about which door he used.
From front door with key, to open sliding patio door a week later.
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Post by Justformaddie on 27.06.14 17:15

I'd have thought gm would have came down the steps then closing the gate behind him!

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Post by GrizzleyBear on 27.06.14 17:35

Why is the statement of JW accepted as a given? Has anyone else questioned its veracity? Since the 3A days I have pondered on this. What was in his pram? Why was his reaction to a child missing so odd? Just asking...
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Post by j.rob on 27.06.14 23:38

Indeed. Why??
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Post by lufc50337 on 28.06.14 0:18

I don't find his reaction odd.  How you react in a crisis can depend if you have your children with you or not.
If he is genuine he will only have known that M had been taken and his first reaction was to protect his own family.  If he'd been on holiday without children he would have probably have gone out searching.
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Post by Guest on 28.06.14 8:17

It's stranger to me (as in more strange, not the smelly foreign child-abducting variety) that it was thought okay to wake people up in the middle of the night with the news of a missing child and then tell them that their help wasn't needed.
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Post by cassius on 28.06.14 15:40

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It's stranger to me (as in more strange, not the smelly foreign child-abducting variety) that it was thought okay to wake people up in the middle of the night with the news of a missing child and then tell them that their help wasn't needed.  
Agree with you NFWTD.Maybe more a case of trying to find out exactly what JW saw.
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Post by worriedmum on 28.06.14 16:18

sally66 wrote:I don't find his reaction odd.  How you react in a crisis can depend if you have your children with you or not.
If he is genuine he will only have known that M had been taken and his first reaction was to protect his own family.  If he'd been on holiday without children he would have probably have gone out searching.
 I agree the instinct to protect one's own would kick in, but these are people who have professional experience of really nasty crimes and maybe not as easily shocked as you or I. And of course we do not know whether they were told how the parents 'knew' it was abduction?
Sorry but I would have had my coat on and have been out of the door if someone had told me a child was missing at that time of night. How likely would it be that an abductor would return to another apartment the same evening? Presumably there were locks on his door?
The thought of a child alone in a strange place is unbearable and that would have overridden everything else for me.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 28.06.14 18:51

@cassius wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:It's stranger to me (as in more strange, not the smelly foreign child-abducting variety) that it was thought okay to wake people up in the middle of the night with the news of a missing child and then tell them that their help wasn't needed.  
Agree with you NFWTD.Maybe more a case of trying to find out exactly what JW saw.

You would expect the McCanns to have been straight round to JW's apartment to find out if he had seen anyone or anything, even if it was just the window wide open

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Post by suzyjohnson on 28.06.14 19:02

@worriedmum wrote:
The thought of a child alone in a strange place is unbearable and that would have overridden everything else for me.

Apparently JW's wife didn't want him to go, she was scared. With the tapas friends who couldn't get to Portugal to take part in a reconstruction to help find their daughter (one of them complained he used to have a nice life before all this happened), the McCanns know a great group of people. (Although, to be fair, JW himself did offer to help search for MM and he was prepared to go back to Portugal for a reconstruction)

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