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Post by Newintown 22.06.13 23:58

Cherry wrote:The newspapers pushing the envelope on the Savile-Sutcliffe connection this past weekend were the Sunday Sport, the Sun and others – with broadsheets staying mostly clear of the that angle. There is also the assertion by the Sunday Sport that Jimmy Savile may be connected with the murder of Crimewatch’s Jill Dando, who some believe was threatening to expose Savile’s paedophile activities nationally at the time. If there is a link here, then the media should also revisit the show trial of Barry George, the mentally ill patsy who was originally charged with Dando’s killing, but was eventually acquitted for the murder in 2008

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How nasty a piece of work Savile was I don't think he would have gone as far as having Jill Dando shot in the head to get rid of her, I'm sure he would have thought of more subtle ways of getting her removed from the BBC.  

The most obvious form of getting rid of her came from the Serbian government -

The widow of a Serbian journalist, murdered in almost identical circumstances, has come forward to say she is convinced Miss Dando was shot by a hitman acting on orders from the Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic.

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Post by Guest 23.06.13 0:04

Remember who JS had as friends, who are rumoured as being part of the elite paedo rings.

Lets not forget Diana allegedly was bumped off.
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Post by jd 23.06.13 0:08

Cherry wrote:GM had links with Leeds General Infirmary where Alistair Hall cardiologist and JS friend worked

CM was a reporter in  Leeds

Michael Wright (the one who was by mccanns side in PDL/Beach photo/Named driver) lives in Skipton, Yorkshire

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Post by Pershing36 23.06.13 0:11

Great website and one question I simply cannot ignore.

Who is paying CM to be spokesman for TM?
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Post by roy rovers 23.06.13 0:12

SY / CPS may be aiming to get ALL their ducks in a row before re-interviewing T9 as one confession is worth so much more than any amount of circumstantial evidence. I agree that it is mega significant that it was the CPS not SY in Portugal and that it was their head honcho.
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McCann case possible links to Catenian society via one of fund members

JS possible links to Catenian society


Alarm Over Secret Catholic Mason Group

HOME OFFICE ministers are becoming increasingly concerned about the secretive activities of a group of Catholic "Freemasons", the Catenians.
A special report by the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee has highlighted fears that members of the Catenian Association, which is thought to include top-ranking police officers and judges, are using their influence to pervert the course of justice.
The role of the Association came to light during a two-year investigation into Freemasonry conducted by the Committee.
Acting on the advice of the Committee, the Government has ordered the police and judiciary to set up their own databases listing membership of masonic lodges. But individuals are under no legal obligation to reveal their masonic links; and the database will not cover Catenians.
The report, Freemasonry in the Police and the Judiciary, states: "It is estimated that they [the Catenians] number around 11,500. Although this figure shows that the Catenians are far fewer in number than the Freemasons, this does not mean that similar concerns are not raised relating to their influence on the criminal justice system. Where points of principle relating to secretive societies are made in this report, they apply equally to other organisations of the same nature."
The Freemasons have attacked the Government for scrutinising their activities while not also focusing on groups like the Catenians who, like the Freemasons, are exclusively male. Catenians are hand-picked from the Catholic community and, to gain entry, applicants must be sponsored by a member.
The membership list is a closely guarded secret and new recruits are required to take an oath of allegiance to their "brothers". These oaths are made at secret ceremonies, held in hotels or golf clubs, where members wear special insignia including a Maltese cross and ceremonial collar denoting the "circle" to which they belong, as well as pendants and sashes.
The organisation, which was founded in 1908 in Manchester as the Chums Benevolent Association, has its own website. This describes the organisation, which operates worldwide, as a brotherhood that meets to "foster and develop social bonds among members and their families".
The Catenian Association is quick to quash any parallels between the activities of its members and those of Freemasons. "Like most organisations we regard information such as our list of members as privileged," added a spokesman.
"I don't like to use the word 'secretive' but many people would not answer if you asked them if they were a member. It's not like being a member of a tennis club."
 
   

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Post by Guest 23.06.13 0:21

jd wrote:
Cherry wrote:GM had links with Leeds General Infirmary where Alistair Hall cardiologist and JS friend worked

CM was a reporter in  Leeds

Michael Wright (the one who was by mccanns side in PDL/Beach photo/Named driver) lives in Skipton, Yorkshire


Definite links between Leicester and Yorkshire

Also JS connected Knights Templar  - Priory Knights send flowers when Madeleine went missing
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Post by jd 23.06.13 0:38

Cherry wrote:
jd wrote:
Cherry wrote:GM had links with Leeds General Infirmary where Alistair Hall cardiologist and JS friend worked

CM was a reporter in  Leeds

Michael Wright (the one who was by mccanns side in PDL/Beach photo/Named driver) lives in Skipton, Yorkshire


Definite links between Leicester and Yorkshire

Also JS connected Knights Templar  - Priory Knights send flowers when Madeleine went missing

JS was connected to literally everyone! how ironic his show was called "jim'll fix it"!!!

I'd always found cliff richards comments on his close friend Jill Dando odd..

“Sir Cliff Richard said yesterday that Jill Dando’s murderer was exercising “freedom of choice” when he killed her, and he will be forgiven by God.

The singer, a committed Christian who was a close friend of the Crimewatch presenter, made the comments on ITV1.

Speaking on My Favourite Hymns, Sir Cliff said he would be “obliged” to forgive Barry George, 44, who is serving a life sentence for shooting Miss Dando, 37, on her doorstep in Fulham, south-west London, in April 1999. “That’s because He is an all-forgiving God. That’s tough to accept,” he said………………….

Sir Cliff added: “Part of the perfection of being human is that we have freedom of choice and Jill’s killer had the freedom to choose to kill or not to kill. Unfortunately, he exercised his freedom and he killed her.”

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Why was Cliff Richard interviewed by Jill Dando murder detectives?

Jill rarely visited her home in Gowan Avenue.

Only a handful of close friends and relatives could have known she would be there on that fateful morning.

The killer was working with an accomplice who was driving a metallic blue Range Rover.

Jill was close chums with Cliff Richard.

It’s a little known fact that holier-than-thou Cliff was quizzed by police a month after the shooting.

According to the News Letter ( Belfast):

” Pop legend Sir Cliff Richard has been interviewed by detectives seeking key clues to the identity of Jill Dando’s killer, it emerged yesterday.

Officers spoke to the star for two hours at his pounds 2 million mansion in Weybridge, Surrey, on Friday, according to reports.

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Post by Tony Bennett 23.06.13 0:39

marconi wrote:Question to Tony Bennett: After the trial is it possible to confiscate all of the assets of Tapas 9 in order to help paying the costs of the review?
Like others on here, I'm not quite sure why I've been asked this question, but...

First, which trial? The trial of whom?

In answer to your substantive question, I answer in general terms as follows: In any criminal trial, a convicted person may be required to pay (a) towards the prosecution's costs and (b) towards the victim's costs (a 'compensation order').

In drug-dealing and certain other serious criminal cases, the court can order the seizure of the convicted person's assets (exactly how much they can seize and on what basis I am not sure).

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Post by marconi 23.06.13 0:40

Sorry, I made a mistake when I posted my question about the assets.
It was just a question to Bennett, nothing to do with what he wrote before but asking him as a lawyer.It went wrong, I should have put it separately.
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Post by Guest 23.06.13 0:42

Yes very odd comments to make

another person who kept saying it was Barry George was Nick Ross

Nick ross recently came out with some strange views on abuse
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Post by sallypelt 23.06.13 0:43

Cherry wrote:McCann case possible links to Catenian society via one of fund members

JS possible links to Catenian society


Alarm Over Secret Catholic Mason Group

HOME OFFICE ministers are becoming increasingly concerned about the secretive activities of a group of Catholic "Freemasons", the Catenians.
A special report by the House of Commons Home Affairs Committee has highlighted fears that members of the Catenian Association, which is thought to include top-ranking police officers and judges, are using their influence to pervert the course of justice.
The role of the Association came to light during a two-year investigation into Freemasonry conducted by the Committee.
Acting on the advice of the Committee, the Government has ordered the police and judiciary to set up their own databases listing membership of masonic lodges. But individuals are under no legal obligation to reveal their masonic links; and the database will not cover Catenians.
The report, Freemasonry in the Police and the Judiciary, states: "It is estimated that they [the Catenians] number around 11,500. Although this figure shows that the Catenians are far fewer in number than the Freemasons, this does not mean that similar concerns are not raised relating to their influence on the criminal justice system. Where points of principle relating to secretive societies are made in this report, they apply equally to other organisations of the same nature."
The Freemasons have attacked the Government for scrutinising their activities while not also focusing on groups like the Catenians who, like the Freemasons, are exclusively male. Catenians are hand-picked from the Catholic community and, to gain entry, applicants must be sponsored by a member.
The membership list is a closely guarded secret and new recruits are required to take an oath of allegiance to their "brothers". These oaths are made at secret ceremonies, held in hotels or golf clubs, where members wear special insignia including a Maltese cross and ceremonial collar denoting the "circle" to which they belong, as well as pendants and sashes.
The organisation, which was founded in 1908 in Manchester as the Chums Benevolent Association, has its own website. This describes the organisation, which operates worldwide, as a brotherhood that meets to "foster and develop social bonds among members and their families".
The Catenian Association is quick to quash any parallels between the activities of its members and those of Freemasons. "Like most organisations we regard information such as our list of members as privileged," added a spokesman.
"I don't like to use the word 'secretive' but many people would not answer if you asked them if they were a member. It's not like being a member of a tennis club."
 
   

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I wasn't aware that one of the men who took the billboard of Madeleine to Portugal (if it did go) died 3 years later in "mysterious circumstances"

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Post by maebee 23.06.13 0:56

jd wrote:
Cherry wrote:
jd wrote:
Cherry wrote:GM had links with Leeds General Infirmary where Alistair Hall cardiologist and JS friend worked

CM was a reporter in  Leeds

Michael Wright (the one who was by mccanns side in PDL/Beach photo/Named driver) lives in Skipton, Yorkshire


Definite links between Leicester and Yorkshire

Also JS connected Knights Templar  - Priory Knights send flowers when Madeleine went missing

JS was connected to literally everyone! how ironic his show was called "jim'll fix it"!!!

I'd always found cliff richards comments on his close friend Jill Dando odd..

“Sir Cliff Richard said yesterday that Jill Dando’s murderer was exercising “freedom of choice” when he killed her, and he will be forgiven by God.

The singer, a committed Christian who was a close friend of the Crimewatch presenter, made the comments on ITV1.

Speaking on My Favourite Hymns, Sir Cliff said he would be “obliged” to forgive Barry George, 44, who is serving a life sentence for shooting Miss Dando, 37, on her doorstep in Fulham, south-west London, in April 1999. “That’s because He is an all-forgiving God. That’s tough to accept,” he said………………….

Sir Cliff added: “Part of the perfection of being human is that we have freedom of choice and Jill’s killer had the freedom to choose to kill or not to kill. Unfortunately, he exercised his freedom and he killed her.”

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Why was Cliff Richard interviewed by Jill Dando murder detectives?

Jill rarely visited her home in Gowan Avenue.

Only a handful of close friends and relatives could have known she would be there on that fateful morning.

The killer was working with an accomplice who was driving a metallic blue Range Rover.

Jill was close chums with Cliff Richard.

It’s a little known fact that holier-than-thou Cliff was quizzed by police a month after the shooting.

According to the News Letter ( Belfast):

” Pop legend Sir Cliff Richard has been interviewed by detectives seeking key clues to the identity of Jill Dando’s killer, it emerged yesterday.

Officers spoke to the star for two hours at his pounds 2 million mansion in Weybridge, Surrey, on Friday, according to reports.

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Just watched a programme on BBC4 about Rock 'n Roll stars of the 50s and 60s. Jerry Lee Lewis's career took a nosedive when it emerged that he had married his 13 year old cousin. Cliff Richard said "I don't know what the fuss was about, I don't care who he married, his music was great"  Very worrying.




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Post by Guest 23.06.13 0:59

I think his fans would be shocked if they knew the truth especially with his so called 'christian' views!
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Post by marconi 23.06.13 0:59

Tony, trial of the people who are responsible for Madeleine's disapearance and of the people who knew her fate and did no come forward telling it, allowing the UK to make terrible expenses.
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Post by marconi 23.06.13 1:04

Some freemasons will soon become locked-up-masons.
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Post by kitkat 23.06.13 1:34

roy rovers wrote:SY / CPS may be aiming to get ALL their ducks in a row before re-interviewing T9 as one confession is worth so much more than any amount of circumstantial evidence. I agree that it is mega significant that it was the CPS not SY in Portugal and that it was their head honcho.
Do you honestly believe that the Portuguese would have refused to re-open the case and NOT leaked info about it to the media if SY had found ANY kind of proof that implicated the family?   Or that, Alison Saunders, who once headed up the CPS Organised Crime Division/specialises in trafficking, is the lead on this case all because SY hope to get "their ducks in a row before re-interviewing T9"?  
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Post by marconi 23.06.13 1:43

Tony Bennett, what is the function of a prosecutor lawyer now, whilsh there are  trial nor charges going on and what can we expect of such a person?
 
Who sent her to Portugal, in your opinion, and is it a sign that  soon charges could be brought to suspects?
 
Did such a prosecutor lawyer appeared on the horizon because probably the Yard has already an answer?
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Post by marconi 23.06.13 1:53

kitkat, who are you?
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Post by rainbow-fairy 23.06.13 2:12

marconi wrote:kitkat, who are you?
Hope you don't mind me asking marconi but who are you? And WHY do you keep asking questions aimed at Tony specifically? This thread isn't about Tony!
I just find that a little bit strange.....

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Post by marconi 23.06.13 2:16

7 ducks are not willing to sacrifise themselves again and to get in more trouble than they are now. Perhaps they offer  the truth exchanging it for freedom.
They will appear in court as witnesses, not as suspects, in my opinion.
And that is bad enough.
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Post by marconi 23.06.13 2:22

Rainbow Fairy,  I ask Tony because he is a lawyer, he knows about laws and he is taking part in this blog. We can trust his information. The questions I asked him have to do with law.
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Post by Woofer 23.06.13 2:30

I do hope Tony is now wise to ALL methods of entrapment.
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Post by lj 23.06.13 2:40

Me wrote:
lj wrote:
jozi wrote:
jd wrote:
tiny wrote:The potential suspects are thought to include a handful of known child-sex offenders who are believed to have been in the Algarve when Madeleine disappeared.
The visit by senior CPS lawyers underlines the belief among senior detectives that the case could be solved.

raymond hewlett anyone! :biggrin:Classic set-up

Why would they try to set up Hewlett, the man is dead...... but what about the two who's file is empty ?

Hewlett is the perfect patsy: he's dead and cannot prove or disprove anything. And the conning couple will be on everyone's nerves for ever. Imagine every christmas: we know the abductor is dead, but their is no proof that Maddie uh margareth, uh what was her name, has come to any harm. So fill the collecting bowls.

But why would the CPS get involved? They don't and can't prosecute the dead!

I am sorry Me, I wrote that post before I had read all of the thread. maybe it was a visit to see if they could move the Portuguese to reopen or give them access to the files they did not release. After all a reopening would be decided by the Portuguese equivalent of the CPS.

I just don't believe for a second that the tapas bunch will be prosecuted. That would make too many "important" people look stupid. Plus I think if there was enough evidence to prosecute them the Portuguese would be all too happy to jump in. Sweet revenge.

I would love to be more optimistic, but the mess with the rogatory letter, interviews and all the horrendous stupid statements of people from/about operation Grange have given me not a tiniest bit of hope.

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Post by lj 23.06.13 2:44

kitkat wrote:
roy rovers wrote:SY / CPS may be aiming to get ALL their ducks in a row before re-interviewing T9 as one confession is worth so much more than any amount of circumstantial evidence. I agree that it is mega significant that it was the CPS not SY in Portugal and that it was their head honcho.
Do you honestly believe that the Portuguese would have refused to re-open the case and NOT leaked info about it to the media if SY had found ANY kind of proof that implicated the family?   Or that, Alison Saunders, who once headed up the CPS Organised Crime Division/specialises in trafficking, is the lead on this case all because SY hope to get "their ducks in a row before re-interviewing T9"?  
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Post by rainbow-fairy 23.06.13 2:52

Woofer wrote:I do hope Tony is now wise to ALL methods of entrapment.
I'm pretty sure he is Woofer taking into account his last reply to a question aimed at him

I think he is very wise yes

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Post by rainbow-fairy 23.06.13 3:00

marconi wrote:Rainbow Fairy,  I ask Tony because he is a lawyer, he knows about laws and he is taking part in this blog. We can trust his information. The questions I asked him have to do with law.
Uh huh nah
Tony was a lawyer. However, I doubt, with the greatest respect to the man himself, that he knows much more about Portuguese law or the ins and outs of what the CPS were doing in PT than the rest of us.
Suspicious I may be, but it seems I'm not the only one!

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Post by suzyjohnson 23.06.13 3:12

I don't think for one minute the Portuguese would want to reopen the case, especially if it were to prosecute the McCanns. Financially, extradition and court costs would be a nightmare, and then if they secured a conviction, they would have the cost of keeping anyone found guilty throughout a jail term. If the British were to take this on however, restoring the PJ's reputation at the same time, I think this would suit them just fine.

For the Portuguese, the problem of the McCanns has gone away. They have offered them the chance to take part in a reconstruction but all the Tapas group refused. The view of the PJ is probably that the McCanns brought this situation on themselves and that they have to live with the result of their own actions. However, should more evidence come to light regarding either an abduction, or some other explanation, then the PJ have said they will reopen the case.

Unlike the Uk, the Portuguese do not have the responsibility of investigating matters concerning the fund, which has not been set up in Portugal, and does not involve Portuguese residents.

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Post by marconi 23.06.13 3:30

OK, be suspicious, who cares?.

Having studying Laws, I am convinced that he is very competent, being a former lawyer or not. He definitely knows a lot but a lot more than we all probably know in this blog.
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