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Looking for the 'soothing couple', 'the white van cleaners'- but what about the reward?

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Post by worriedmum on 23.05.13 10:05

If the public are being urged to identify these people, is there any reason there is no longer any mention of a reward for information? Why isn't that the headline on the newspapers?
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Post by plebgate on 23.05.13 16:07

Not sure, but News of the World were offering the reward. As they are now out of business, would the reward still be available?

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Post by aquila on 23.05.13 16:15

Snipped from mccanfiles

'Stephen Winyard, owner of a Scottish health spa called Stobo Castle, offered a reward of £1 million for information that
leads to the return of Madeleine McCann through a British newspaper.
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http://www.mccannfiles.com/id13.html

I have since looked up Steve Winyard and found the following on this forum...


MICHAEL HOWIE HOME AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT Sat 8 Dec 2007-The Scotsman
ONE of Scotland's most wealthy businessmen can today be revealed as the mystery donor helping fund the fight to clear the names of Madeleine McCann's parents.

Stephen
Winyard, who owns the luxury Stobo Castle spa in Peebleshire, has
spoken publicly for the first time since pledging £100,000 to help meet
the escalating legal costs of Gerry and Kate McCann.

In an exclusive interview with The Scotsman, Mr Winyard revealed he has already paid for DNA tests carried out on the Renault Scenic hire car used by the McCanns nearly four weeks after Madeleine's disappearance.

The
58-year-old father-of-three has remained in the shadows since offering a
£1million reward for four-year-old Madeleine's return in May. But he
said he could no longer remain silent as "scurrilous allegations"
continue to be directed towards Mr and Mrs McCann.

He said he
wanted to highlight the results of the tests on DNA recovered from the
car, and on hair samples from Kate McCann and Madeleine's brother and
sister.

Portugese police believe that DNA recovered from the boot of the car suggest Madeleine's body was carried inside the vehicle.

Meanwhile,
Portuguese newspapers have alleged that hair samples from Kate and
Gerry McCann's children show the couple sedated the two-year-old twins,
Sean and Amelie, and Madeleine on the night she disappeared.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5676-stephen-winyard

has anyone on the forum kept this Scotsman article?



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Post by Lance De Boils on 23.05.13 17:04

Stephen Winyard
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Post by Lance De Boils on 23.05.13 17:35

True, russiandoll!

How about this one, then:

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Post by russiandoll on 23.05.13 17:36

That artist's sketch looks like Kate McCann in disguise. And no I am not making a joke.....look at photos on Pamalam!

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Post by russiandoll on 23.05.13 17:37

Lance de Boils......I deleted my post as I could not align the photos side by side..if I repost could you do that for me?

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Post by Lance De Boils on 23.05.13 17:38

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't! I can try...
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Post by Guest on 23.05.13 19:37

@Lance De Boils wrote:Stephen Winyard

***
Purée! [as we say in France ...]

BTW a very civilised expression to replace "h*ly f*cking sh*it"
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Post by Nina on 23.05.13 20:22

Châtelaine wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:Stephen Winyard

***
Purée! [as we say in France ...]

BTW a very civilised expression to replace "h*ly f*cking sh*it"

Blood and stomach pills is about as far as I go laughat but will pull out all the stops, blooming hummering hec.

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Post by Spaniel on 23.05.13 20:59

@worriedmum wrote:If the public are being urged to identify these people, is there any reason there is no longer any mention of a reward for information? Why isn't that the headline on the newspapers?
They have always ignored the reward WM, who knows why? So if it went along with the NOTW, why haven't they appealed to their wealthy friends to reinstate it?
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Post by Spaniel on 23.05.13 21:02

@Lance De Boils wrote:True, russiandoll!

How about this one, then:

Who is that please LdB?
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Post by Lance De Boils on 23.05.13 21:10

Sandy Cameron, Spaniel.
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Post by bobbin on 23.05.13 21:18

@Spaniel wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:True, russiandoll!

How about this one, then:

Who is that please LdB?
Is any clever person able to do a mirror image of either of the above, just to see the similarity.
My reaction is, if the McCs were responsible for drawing up these photo fits, then they are just taking the p*ss.
We've got the Gerry look alike, the Kate with a moustache look alike and now our Sandy.

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Post by Spaniel on 23.05.13 21:40

@Lance De Boils wrote:Sandy Cameron, Spaniel.
Thanks LdB. OMG, they took leave of their senses and others helped them. The comparison is obvious, but GM can fit too.

Raises the question of how accurate is a photfit? Is it an innocent recollection or does the mind play tricks? Or were the B's playing with us all? I go with the latter!
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Post by Lance De Boils on 23.05.13 22:13

I was hoping someone might be able to do a mirror image and put them together... maybe this would be better on a different thread? If so, which one?
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Post by PeterMac on 23.05.13 22:19


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Post by Guest on 23.05.13 22:24

Do forgive my ignorance, but .. who's that on the left?
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Post by Spaniel on 23.05.13 22:36

@PeterMac wrote:

I've never seen this Sandy bloke before. Come on PM spill. Is it possible they are really playing with us?
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Post by bobbin on 23.05.13 22:45

@PeterMac wrote:
absolutely klassik. thanks PeterMac. they could be twins....or perhaps even a true photofit.

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Post by Nina on 23.05.13 22:56

This is Sandy Cameron....

CARTAS ROGATORIAS (FILE 5)
Pages 64 to 65—Witness statement of Alexander James Cameron 2008.04.15

Witness Statement of Alexander James CAMERON
Occupation: Professor/teacher
This testimony (constituted by three pages and signed by me) is the truth and in accordance with my understanding. I give this testimony with the knowledge that, knowingly making false statements may subject me to legal action.

Date: 15 of April 2008
Signature: __________________________________________

I am the above referenced person, also known between friends and family as “Sandy.” I have been married to my wife Patricia CAMERON for 23 years but we knew each other for a few years before that. Patricia is Gerry McCann’s sister, making me Gerry’s brother-in-law. I got to know Gerry roughly the same time I got to know Patricia—approximately 30 years. Around 10 years ago, Gerry married Kate Healy and since that time I have know Kate. Gerry and Kate have three children, Madeleine (4 years old) and the twins Sean and Amelie (2 years old). I have met with Kate and Gerry and the children on numerous occasions both tat their home and in mine. I also visited the family when Gerry was working in Amsterdam. On the night of Thursday, May 3, 2007, Patricia received a telephone call from Gerry informing us of the disappearance of Madeleine. Gerry manifested all those emotions one expects from a father who has lost a child in the circumstances. He was distraught and spoke at the same time he cried. He seemed frustrated with the slowness of the searches in Portugal, with the fact that the borders had not been closed, and with the fact that sniffer dogs were not being used. Patricia and I contacted the British Embassy to try and help in this regard. We also decided to fly to Portugal in order to offer all our help and support to Kate and Gerry. It was not possible for us to arrange to a flight on Friday, and consequently left Manchester to faro on Saturday, May 5, 2007. When we arrived in Praia da Luz we found Kate and Gerry. At this time we noticed a huge interest from the media regarding what had happened and Gerry and Kate were being helped in part by the Foreign (traveler) Services, representatives from Mark Warner and other members of the family.

They continued to demonstrate much distress and tried to deal with all the advice given to them, much of which was contradictory. When we arrived in Portugal we stayed in an apartment in the Mark Warner Praia da Luz complex. Kate and Gerry were still lodged in the same complex, even though it was not the same apartment. We had a separate apartment on the same floor and close to two doors somewhat of a distance. During part of this time, our days had similar routines. During the day we would leave the apartment to meet with Kate and Gerry in order to care for the twins Sean and Amelie, and also to cook for all of us. Kate and Gerry would use our apartment as an office in order to have meetings and to effect search plans for Madeleine. This continued until the end of June, at a time when Mark Warner required that we leave the complex and at a time when tourist high season was about to begin.

During these first two months we provided help to Kate and Gerry, and only returned to the U.K. on two occasions in order to take care of some personal business. In the beginning of July of 2007, we left the Ocean Club and moved to a villa with Kate, Gerry and the twins in the Montinhos zone, around 1.5 km from the OC. We never noticed anything strange in the site were we stayed. On the 27th of May of 2007, Gerry was handed a rental vehicle in the Mark Warner tourist complex; a Renault Scenic with plate number 59-DA-27. I met with the representative of the car rental agency at Gerry’s request, and as such, my name was also on the rental contract so that I could also drive the vehicle; to drive the children and to go shopping. These were things that Gerry was too occupied to carry out himself. I was the habitual drive of the vehicle and used it daily. I drove to many places, including the airport, local supermarkets, and drove the children to the zoo and the beaches in the area. I also traveled as a passenger on many occasions, when Kate, Gerry or other people were visiting, or driving the vehicle. People who were present in the vehicle were Kate, Gerry, Sean, Amelie, Mike Wright, Janet (Kate’s aunt), Kate’s mother and father, and her friend Amanda. Basically, the vehicle served as a transport for friend and family who cam to offer their help to Kate and Gerry and also to effect daily routines. The same vehicle was also used to move us from the Ocean Club to the villa, transporting all the luggage and personal objects from one location to the other. During these trips, the children seats would be removed to create space.

Whilst in the villa, a gardener would arrive every week or about every 15 days. This was organized by the estate agency. The gardener would leave black rubbish bags near the gate, and on at least one occasion, I used the vehicle to remove these bags. The collection of rubbish in Portugal is not made as it is in the U.K., and for this reason, it was necessary to take the rubbish to a tip (disposal area) which was called “recycling area” near the back of the Ocean Club. I used the Renault Scenic for this reason on many occasions.

On one occasion, I believe it was on July of 2007, I took Patricia to the supermarket. We carried bags in the boot (trunk) of the Renault Scenic; bought various items including fresh fish, shrimp and beef. When we unloaded the shopping bags, we noticed that blood has run out of the bottom of the plastic bag. After this shopping trip and still in the month of July 2007, I began to notice a strange odour in the car. I did not give it much importance and assumed it was likely due to the leakage from the rubbish bags or from the blood which had escaped from the shopping bags. As a result, we removed the carpet from the boot (trunk) in order to clean it. I tossed (beat) the boot carpet to remove any particles and cleaned it with a wet cloth and left it to air out.

In my opinion, it is impossible that Kate and Gerry could have hidden Madeleine
or used the car to transport her to another locale. There was always a lot of people and the media observing their movements which would make this impossible. As I cited previously, I have know Madeleine her whole life and saw her on many occasions. I always found her a very smart little girl and careful with strangers. I also saw when she woke after a nap and after a night of sleep. She would occasionally appear irritated as she would when her parents were not present. For this reason, I believe that Madeleine had been awakened by a stranger she would certainly have screamed or cried out. I do not believe that there is any possibility that she would have let a stranger take her without protest.

Relative to what is cited above, I will add that I was interviewed via DVD by Dc Gierc of the Leicestershire police between 09h58 and 10h39 on Tuesday, 15 of April of 2008 in the Leicestershire Police Squad. I confirm that my DVD testimony is true and in accordance with my understanding.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.05.13 23:19

That particular drawing is of a man that at least one witness said she had seen outside 5A watching the apartment in the days prior to 3rd May

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.05.13 23:22

You would think that some of the fund / book sale money could be offered as reward money to identify these important new suspects?

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Post by PeterMac on 24.05.13 7:04

@Nina wrote: I have know Madeleine her whole life and saw her on many occasions. I always found her a very smart little girl and careful with strangers. I also saw when she woke after a nap and after a night of sleep. She would occasionally appear irritated as she would when her parents were not present. For this reason, I believe that Madeleine had been awakened by a stranger she would certainly have screamed or cried out. I do not believe that there is any possibility that she would have let a stranger take her without protest.
For a so-called friend she really stuffs the official story, does't she.

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