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Post by worriedmum on 19.05.13 8:04

These stories must be very thought provoking for the McCanns. Have they been interviewed? Has Kate returned from Portugal?Are there reporters at Rothley?
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Post by PeterMac on 19.05.13 8:27

"Thought Provoking" I like that.
Given that the Express has expressly said that GM JW and JT were NOT standing in the road, passing or seeing egg men at 9:15, and that the SY detectives have interviewed those witnesses separately, and then seen them again to make absolutely sure that what they were saying was correct, and that the view they said they had was credible . . .
And have not sought to qualify it with "sources', or "it is believed that" or "we understand", but have stated it as fact . . .
Given all that, I think I agree that there might be some thoughts provoked

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Post by aquila on 19.05.13 9:23

I'm not sure if this is the correct thread but it's good to see words 'from the horse's mouth'. This is taken from the 37k website (funded by donations to the limited company) on the eve of the six year anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance. The previous 'update' was December 2012.

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Thursday, 2 May, 2013


SIX YEARS. I don't think we are the only ones who find this hard to believe.

It's difficult to know what to write as each
year passes, still without news of Madeleine. In many ways, nothing's
changed. We still worry about her, we miss her as much as we ever did,
we remain as determined as ever to find her and to know what has
happened.

The one thing that has progressed significantly
over the last year is the work of the Metropolitan Police. We remain
greatly encouraged by their work and the many things they have managed
to uncover so far. Their commitment and increasing determination
parallels our own and brings us great comfort and reassurance. We
continue to hope and pray that the Met working with the Portuguese
Authorities will lead to a significant breakthrough. We need to find
Madeleine and bring some peace to our family.


In the early days, Gerry remarked that we weren't sure whether this journey would be a sprint or a marathon. It's been much, much more
than a marathon (I'm qualified to say that now!) We really appreciate
how lucky we have been to be surrounded by such fabulous support for so
long. Thank you to all our supporters for being there alongside us and
for never forgetting about Madeleine. We're here for the long haul, for
as long as it takes. Thank you for being there too.

And finally, a special 'thank you' to everybody
who sponsored me to run the London marathon recently. Your kind
donations, which have now amounted to more than £21,000 (fantastic!)
will allow the charity, Missing People,
to continue the search for many missing children and vulnerable adults,
as well as provide essential support for their families. Your
compassion and generosity will help to ease the suffering of many
people. Thank you.
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Post by russiandoll on 19.05.13 9:31

All the refs to we, us and our. Did they both sign this?
I am sure G made sure this was a marathon and not a sprint, confusion being good and all that.
It has held water for six years, but I see a few leaks starting to spring up in Battleship Bullshit.

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Post by aquila on 19.05.13 9:48

russiandoll wrote:All the refs to we, us and our. Did they both sign this?
I am sure G made sure this was a marathon and not a sprint, confusion being good and all that.
It has held water for six years, but I see a few leaks starting to spring up in Battleship Bullshit.

I hope a certain spin doctor of a pink tinge has taken his sea-sick tablets (is phenergan good for that?) because it might just be a rough voyage. Sinking ships and all that. Those seas around Portugal can be mighty treacherous and unpredicatable.
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Post by plebgate on 19.05.13 9:53

Yes PJ Reis did a good article about the planning ahead for the one year anniversary big event.

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Post by sami on 19.05.13 10:30

. "Their commitment and increasing determination parallels our own and brings us great comfort and reassurance"

Parallel lines never meet........

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Post by aquila on 19.05.13 10:41

Here is an interesting article from the Daily Telegraph December 2007.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1571852/Gerry-McCann-nominated-for-Scot-of-the-Year.html
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Post by Guest on 19.05.13 12:32

Saturday, 20 March 2010


The Article That Team McCann Didn't Want You To Read








Just why is this article so "dangerous"?

’MCCANNS ARE LYING’
24th September
Madeleine McCann
Monday September 24,2007
By David Pilditch and Martin Evans in Praia da Luz

http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/article-that-team-mccann-didnt-want-you.html

I may have read this when it was first printed, but you tend to forget what the newspapers were saying at the time, With all thats going on now imo the DE have never let go of the story. Is it payback time for Desmond?

Wasn't David Pilditch at Leveson and stood by his articals?
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Post by Nina on 19.05.13 12:38

Cherry Blossom wrote:Saturday, 20 March 2010


The Article That Team McCann Didn't Want You To Read








Just why is this article so "dangerous"?

’MCCANNS ARE LYING’
24th September
Madeleine McCann
Monday September 24,2007
By David Pilditch and Martin Evans in Praia da Luz

http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/article-that-team-mccann-didnt-want-you.html

I may have read this when it was first printed, but you tend to forget what the newspapers were saying at the time, With all thats going on now imo the DE have never let go of the story. Is it payback time for Desmond?

Wasn't David Pilditch at Leveson and stood by his articals?

Was this the article that the group got their big pay out for?

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Post by Guest on 19.05.13 12:53

Nina wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Saturday, 20 March 2010


The Article That Team McCann Didn't Want You To Read








Just why is this article so "dangerous"?

’MCCANNS ARE LYING’
24th September
Madeleine McCann
Monday September 24,2007
By David Pilditch and Martin Evans in Praia da Luz

http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/article-that-team-mccann-didnt-want-you.html

I may have read this when it was first printed, but you tend to forget what the newspapers were saying at the time, With all thats going on now imo the DE have never let go of the story. Is it payback time for Desmond?

Wasn't David Pilditch at Leveson and stood by his articals?

Was this the article that the group got their big pay out for?

That's what I was thinking, but couldn't remember if it was for that? Was it DE who printed the diaries?
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Post by plebgate on 19.05.13 14:36

Wow, Wow I had not seen that article before.

Murat last weekend saying Bring them all Back to Portugal. In the article it says Murat could be used as a key prosecution witness.

The Express are watching.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.05.13 17:28

What IS it with all these stories?
Imagine my horror this morning on finally getting to open my Eastern Daily Press from yesterday to see the Gruesome Twosome on page 9 under the headline 'McCanns Very Pleased At Review', with a photo of a smirking G and a shifty looking Kate holding between them the age progressed picture.
WHY the EDP? Did MF have a word? laughat
I do note the lack of the word 'abduction' in these stories though winkwink

I still don't get why for 'operational reasons' K+G won't comment? They sure managed to in PT when *theoretically* Maddie could have been found (not that I believe that, but...), even to the point when made arguidos they were texting messages from the Police Station!

Only explanation I can think of is they aren't as chummy and 'in the loop' with SY as Team McCann would have us believe.... Hmmmm.....

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Post by Guest on 19.05.13 18:04

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Nina wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Saturday, 20 March 2010


The Article That Team McCann Didn't Want You To Read








Just why is this article so "dangerous"?

’MCCANNS ARE LYING’
24th September
Madeleine McCann
Monday September 24,2007
By David Pilditch and Martin Evans in Praia da Luz

http://gasparstatements.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/article-that-team-mccann-didnt-want-you.html

I may have read this when it was first printed, but you tend to forget what the newspapers were saying at the time, With all thats going on now imo the DE have never let go of the story. Is it payback time for Desmond?

Wasn't David Pilditch at Leveson and stood by his articals?

Was this the article that the group got their big pay out for?

That's what I was thinking, but couldn't remember if it was for that? Was it DE who printed the diaries?

Copied from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Express

Madeleine McCann [edit]


In the second half of 2007 the Daily Express gave a large amount of coverage to the missing child Madeleine McCann. From 3 August 2007, the Express dedicated at least part of the next 100 front pages to Madeleine in a run that lasted until 10 November 2007. Of the 100, 82 of these were the main headline (often stylised by "MADELEINE" in red block capitals, plus a picture of the child).

Though the family initially said that some journalists may have "overstepped their mark" they acknowledged the benefits in keeping the case in the public eye,[26] but argued that the coverage needed to be toned down since daily headlines are not necessarily helpful.[27] However, in March 2008, the McCanns launched a libel suit against the Daily Express and its sister newspaper, the Daily Star, as well as their Sunday equivalents, following the newspapers' coverage of the case. The action concerned more than 100 stories across the four newspapers, which accused the McCanns of causing their daughter's death and covering it up.[28] One immediate consequence of the action was that Express Newspapers pulled all references to Madeleine from its websites.[29]

In a settlement reached at the High Court of Justice, the newspapers agreed to run a front-page apology to the McCanns on 19 March 2008, publish another apology on the front pages of the Sunday editions of 23 March and make a statement of apology at the High Court. The newspapers also agreed to pay costs and substantial damages, which the McCanns said they would use to fund the search for their daughter.[28]Guardian media commentator Roy Greenslade said it was "unprecedented" for four major newspapers to offer front-page apologies, but also said that it was more than warranted given that the papers had committed "a substantial libel" that shamed the entire British press.[30] Craig Silverman of Regret the Error argued that given how many of the stories appeared on the front page, anything less than a front page apology would have been "unacceptable."[31]

In its apology, the Express stated that "a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up. We acknowledge that there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance."[32] This was followed in October by an apology and payout (forwarded to the fund again) to a group who had become known as the "Tapas Seven" in relation to the case.

The last sentence;

"[32] This was followed in October by an apology and payout (forwarded to the fund again) to a group who had become known as the "Tapas Seven" in relation to the case.

So the Tapas Seven gave their payout to the fund?

If you click on numbers ie 32 it gives you front page apology

Yes plegate WOW, WOW, but DE really paid the price, imo Desmond will never forget that.
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Post by tigger on 19.05.13 18:13

@Rainbow-Fairy
They took some time to learn it, but the best thing to do in such a situation is to claim ownership.
They didn't do so at the start, instead going for denials and wild explanations - some smarter PR person (one can think of 'editorial intelligence' Julia Hobsbawm - used to be connected with Sarah Brown specialising in reputation rehabilitation) taught them to do this.

Had another look at that ridiculous age advanced photo. They've simply taken the eyes out of the iconic photo, widened them a bit and pasted them in a very bad composite. Thing that gives it away is the eyeliner and mascara again. What is it with that eye make up on Maddie?
It's an old photo of them anyway.

I'd forget about these couples, including the Moyes who are way too useful in some ways and the cleaners as well. The PJ went through the lot of them.
All devices to throw back to the PJ and say 'You sort it, we've done all the work!'.
I'd keep an eye on Brunt, he's not stupid and he's been making quite a few 'mistakes' then correcting them with the liturgy according to TM.
All IMO again of course. winkwink


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Post by Cristobell on 19.05.13 18:20

tigger wrote:@Rainbow-Fairy
They took some time to learn it, but the best thing to do in such a situation is to claim ownership.
They didn't do so at the start, instead going for denials and wild explanations - some smarter PR person (one can think of 'editorial intelligence' Julia Hobsbawm - used to be connected with Sarah Brown specialising in reputation rehabilitation) taught them to do this.

Had another look at that ridiculous age advanced photo. They've simply taken the eyes out of the iconic photo, widened them a bit and pasted them in a very bad composite. Thing that gives it away is the eyeliner and mascara again. What is it with that eye make up on Maddie?
It's an old photo of them anyway.

I'd forget about these couples, including the Moyes who are way too useful in some ways and the cleaners as well. The PJ went through the lot of them.
All devices to throw back to the PJ and say 'You sort it, we've done all the work!'.
I'd keep an eye on Brunt, he's not stupid and he's been making quite a few 'mistakes' then correcting them with the liturgy according to TM.
All IMO again of course. winkwink





I was surprised to hear on Sky News that the age progression pic was commissioned by the family. I had thought it was commissioned by SY.

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Post by Snifferdog on 19.05.13 19:20

tigger wrote:@Rainbow-Fairy
They took some time to learn it, but the best thing to do in such a situation is to claim ownership.
They didn't do so at the start, instead going for denials and wild explanations - some smarter PR person (one can think of 'editorial intelligence' Julia Hobsbawm - used to be connected with Sarah Brown specialising in reputation rehabilitation) taught them to do this.

Had another look at that ridiculous age advanced photo. They've simply taken the eyes out of the iconic photo, widened them a bit and pasted them in a very bad composite. Thing that gives it away is the eyeliner and mascara again. What is it with that eye make up on Maddie?
It's an old photo of them anyway.

I'd forget about these couples, including the Moyes who are way too useful in some ways and the cleaners as well. The PJ went through the lot of them.
All devices to throw back to the PJ and say 'You sort it, we've done all the work!'.
I'd keep an eye on Brunt, he's not stupid and he's been making quite a few 'mistakes' then correcting them with the liturgy according to TM.
All IMO again of course. winkwink

K here is my thoughts on why make up is worn: To make people (usually adult or hopefully late teen mostly female more alluring/attractive, for eg commercially women wear make up in adveritsing to help sell a products.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 19.05.13 21:03

[quote="PeterMac"]"Given that the Express has expressly said that GM JW and JT were NOT standing in the road, passing or seeing egg men at 9:15, and that the SY detectives have interviewed those witnesses separately, and then seen them again to make absolutely sure that what they were saying was correct, and that the view they said they had was credible . . .

So, always assumng that Jeremy Wilkins was telling the truth, do you think that means that it was actually much earlier when he was talking to Gerry by the gate of 5A?

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Post by PeterMac on 19.05.13 22:14

[quote="suzyjohnson"]
PeterMac wrote:"Given that the Express has expressly said that GM JW and JT were NOT standing in the road, passing or seeing egg men at 9:15, and that the SY detectives have interviewed those witnesses separately, and then seen them again to make absolutely sure that what they were saying was correct, and that the view they said they had was credible . . .
So, always assumng that Jeremy Wilkins was telling the truth, do you think that means that it was actually much earlier when he was talking to Gerry by the gate of 5A?
I am not a conspiracy theorist, and would therefore see JW as relatively normal.
It was a freezing cold night - everyone says so, (except Gerry, of course who says it was hot, and M was therefore not under the covers - but let that pass)
JW is taking his child, very small, and in a buggy, out for a quick run round to settle it.
How likely is it that he would do this at 7, or 8, rather than 9:15 ? !
And how likely is it that he would then talk for five minutes, (or 4 or 3,) to a whining Glaswegian bloke he did not know, and had only met once, about tennis strokes and similar bo*******. ?

Of course it may all be absolutely true, accurate to the last detail - whichever detail you wish to choose - verifiable, evidenced, corroborated and provable in law.
My Lord, I do not know. It is for you to decide.

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Post by Guest on 19.05.13 23:04

I'm inclined to believe Jez Wilkins, PeterMac, because he couldn't be precise about the time he met Gerry. As you've said before, it's when people are too precise when they account for their movements that suspicions are aroused.

Jez as far as I can recall could only say that he met Gerry some time between 8.45 and 9.30 and it was Team McCann who said it was 9.15 to suit their own version of events.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 20.05.13 6:57

There is discussion about whether the Moyes could see the street feel from their balcony, but you would definitely HEAR Gerry. He'd had a beer and a wine before they went out (their version), possibly another glass or two at the Tapas, enough to be a bit "jovial". There is NO WAY you'd not hear 5 minutes of his distinctive Glaswegian voice. And if Moyes didn't, then it shoots the Tapas timeline down in flames. It places it nearer to Jez guesstimate of earlier, hence allowing for more time to hide something!

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Post by suzyjohnson on 20.05.13 7:35

Yes, that's exactly what I mean.

If JW saw and spoke to GM somewhere between 8.45pm - 9.15pm. And the new witness left the restaurant at 9pm, walked round past 5A and then was standing on her balcony at 9.15pm and saw no one, then that would mean that JW met GM earlier rather than later.

Therefore, 8.45pm - 9pm. GM and KM had arrived at the Tapas at 8.30pm (is this backed up by any independent witnesses?) So what was GM doing out on the street between 8.45pm - 9pm?

From the first statements -
1) The sticker book timelines say all assembled at the Tapas at 8.45pm (yet the Payne's weren't there until 9pm?)
2) JT says she was at the restaurant by 8.30pm but that RO, and the Payne's, didn't arrive until 9pm
3) KM says that she and GM arrived at the Tapas just after 8.30pm
4) GM says they both left for the Tapas at 8.35pm, arriving a little after 8.35pm (10th May)

I was just thinking how bad mannered they all were booking a table every night for 8.30pm in a busy restaurant and then not turning up to eat until 9pm, when I came across this witness statement by one Stephen Carpenter. Interestingly he says,
' ....... At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them .........' So, in his statement, they were all there, all of them, by 8.30pm?
SC says he left the Tapas between 9.15pm - 9.30pm (and that his wife thought she heard someone calling Madeleine around that time on their walk back).





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Post by plebgate on 20.05.13 8:14

Good post Suzy and yet with all the conflicting statements, I cannot believe that SY would not have questions they would like to ask the Tapas group. If they do not or have not re-interviewed them then Theresa May and Cameron need to be ordering them to do so imo.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 20.05.13 10:49

Thanks plebgate. I agree with you about reinterviewing the Tapas group.

Following from the above, I am wondering what the possible advantage would be for GM to say he met JW at closer to 9.15pm rather than 8.45pm - 9pm?

So, did GM arrive at the Tapas at just after 8.35pm only to return to the apartment just ten minutes or quarter of an hour later (when he saw JW)?

If GM did see JW at 8.45pm - 9pm, why didn't JW also see MO and ROB and the Payne's also on their way round (to and from) the Tapas between 8.45pm - 9pm?

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Post by PeterMac on 20.05.13 11:32

suzyjohnson wrote:Thanks plebgate. I agree with you about reinterviewing the Tapas group.
Following from the above, I am wondering what the possible advantage would be for GM to say he met JW at closer to 9.15pm rather than 8.45pm - 9pm?
So, did GM arrive at the Tapas at just after 8.35pm only to return to the apartment just ten minutes or quarter of an hour later (when he saw JW)?
If GM did see JW at 8.45pm - 9pm, why didn't JW also see MO and ROB and the Payne's also on their way round (to and from) the Tapas between 8.45pm - 9pm?
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