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Post by Peneda Geres on 27.04.13 21:55

“Anyone hanging around”?
Reply
“There
was just never anyone
around, that was the thing you know, it was just like dead the place
really, you know which is why we,
kind of all comfortable
in leaving the children and going back and checking them, cos if it had
been really busy, we wouldn’t
have done that, you know
if there’d been lots of people milling around all the time, it wouldn’t
have felt right,
I mean the place was
empty”.
1578 “Yes”.
Reply “You know
it was so quiet, you
know it was the beginning of the season and erm, yeah, you know if it
had been remotely busy, you know,
it wouldn’t have felt
right leaving them and just going back and checking them now and then”.

This may have been dealt with before but I have just started reading the police files. I'm sorry if I'm covering old ground.

Lots of people milling around or dead, which of these best suits a potential abductor?

The more I read on this case, the more I believe there was an agenda prior to the holiday.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id253.html source.
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Post by whmon on 27.04.13 22:15

I've always been in the camp that thought a tragic 'accident' occured, likely due to the massive strength of the physical outcome of temper (throwing?) Of course if this sort of accident had occured it would be viewed as manslaughter. The perpetrators would have been liable, they would have lost their jobs/other children/credentials/livelihoods/freedom.

If what you are suggesting turns out to be correct then I don't know what to say. This country has something bad at it's core.

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Post by Peneda Geres on 27.04.13 22:35

@whmon wrote:I've always been in the camp that thought a tragic 'accident' occured, likely due to the massive strength of the physical outcome of temper (throwing?) Of course if this sort of accident had occured it would be viewed as manslaughter. The perpetrators would have been liable, they would have lost their jobs/other children/credentials/livelihoods/freedom.

If what you are suggesting turns out to be correct then I don't know what to say. This country has something bad at it's core.

PJ refused access to Madelein's health records, why?, refused scrutiny of the parents bank accounts, why?

Health records and bank details all happened prior to her disappearance. Comprende.
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Post by Mirage on 17.03.14 11:04

I have been looking at the Oldfield couple and the more I look the more I think WTF. I have posted bits and pieces from their rogatories on other threads but generally I  feel this person has managed to slip into the background when there are clear anomalies that should be looked at. In her 2008 Rog 2/3, this section screamed out at me.


1578    “So let’s just continue then, you spoke about the conversation you had with Jane”?
Reply    “Mmm”.
1578    “What happened next”?
Reply    “Erm, erm it was just sort of you know, chaos really, erm Matt went down to call the Police, erm I mean people just, I mean you know Russell and Dave kind of went off and looked just around the roads”.
1578    “What did you do”?
Reply    “I basically just hung near our apartment, I didn’t want to leave Grace, erm I mean she was”.
1578    “Did you have Grace with you”?
Reply    “No, no she was asleep and I didn’t, you know I didn’t want to leave the apartment by itself”.
1578    “No”.
Reply    “Erm and Jane you know had Evie because she’d been sick, so she was sort of standing by the door, so I sort of you know, I was kind of talk to Gerry and then every now and then I’d go back and check on Grace, erm at one point, probably not that long after, maybe about ten thirty or something, Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something”.
1578    “And that was just you and”?
Reply    “And Gerry”.
1578    “And what time was this”?
Reply    “Erm I mean that would have been you know about half ten or something like that, erm and then”.
1578    “What was Gerry saying”?
Reply    “Erm I don’t know, I don’t remember, erm no I don’t remember in particular, erm”.

1578    “And how long did you spend doing that search”?
Reply    “It was just really a quick you know, it would have been about five minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments, erm but there wasn’t really anywhere you know, somebody could hide, well you know, if Madeleine had sort of wandered by herself, erm you know there were just really open corridors that we were just kind of looking to see if there was anything down there, erm”.
1578    “Then what did you do”?
Reply    “And then I went back downstairs and really just sort of stood by Jane

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Well, does that sound like a woman witnessing mayhem and distress all around her. The language certainly doesn't indicate that to me. I get the impression of JT and RM as  two minor characters on the set of Les Mis looking up at the barricades and chewing the cud about the times they were living through. Then suddenly and as silently as if he had arrived by parachute Gerry enters the narrative.The distressed behaviour of Gerry McCann as so graphically described by others is absent. There is no sense of urgency in the description of checking those stairwells. She says, when asked, that she doesn't know what Gerry was saying. She doesn't remember "in particular".

So we are left with the impression of the pair silently checking five floors of the block they were in, plus verandahs, as well as the stair well. Does anyone know if you can actually access the floors and verandahs of the block in that way? In any case she is gone all of 5 minutes to achieve what sounds like more than five mins work to me. AND she left her daughter at the apartment on her own when that is the reason she stayed back from the search. Now does this make sense? Did GM really need her assistance when he was a fit runner who can bound up those stairs quicker. Besides, he would have had to wait for RM to check her daughter wasn't sick or awake. Then lock up the apartment securely. Tell old Jane to keep an eye on things while she goes off with a mute to look for his missing daughter late at night. Evidently he doesn't speak to this woman who is putting herself out in this way - not to her anyway.

She has already told GIERC (interviewing officer  - let's give them their names so we have a who's who) that she didn't want to leave her child so she had elected to stay at the apartment, which time had been spent talking to JT who had her sick child in her arms. We are being asked to believe that old JT was shooting the crap about the man who has likely taken MM off in the opposite direction to the searchers. And Bingo, Gerry turns up and neither of them say "Don't bother looking up there Gerry, he went that-a-way.

Helpfully, RM can put a time on this. About 10.30pm she says. And the search lasted 5 mins!. How convenient.

I know a lot of work has been done by Kikatoran on the mobiles which I must look at, but for now, I find this later part of the interview with DC GIERC oddly inconclusive:


Reply    “XXXX, erm, erm did you say it called me, or I called it”?
1578    “That number called your mobile”.
Reply    “Ten thirty, (inaudible), well I don’t know, the only people that, well I think the only people I spoke to, I know that a client did ring me one of the days but it wouldn’t have been ten thirty at night, erm it was either that Friday or the following Friday to cancel an interview that was happening but I mean that wouldn’t have been at ten thirty at night, erm I would think, I mean I suppose it could, it might have been a Journalist, because on the night that Madeleine disappeared, on the Thursday, a friend of mine, or friends of Matt’s and mine, Kath and James XXXXXXX and James XXXXXXX’s a BBC News erm and at the time he was like Political Correspondent, erm I saw him the other night actually reading the news on BBC News 24 but I rang him, or I rang his wife Kath cos I had her mobile number, erm basically to say you know that Madeleine had gone missing, was there any way that we could get it on the news and that was, that was on the Thursday night, so I suppose and it was the loc, it was the, was it the Local Elections or something happening that day”?
1578    “I don’t know”.
Reply    “There were some sort of Elections, must have been Local Elections and James was out, away reporting on that but anyway Kath put me in touch with him and I spoke to him and I spoke to a couple of people on the BBC News 24 desk, so I mean you know, it must”.
1578    “That was on the Thursday evening”?
Reply    “That was on the Thursday night”.
1578    “What time would that have been”?
Reply    “Well that was sort of you know, midnight after midnight (inaudible)”.
1578    “And this was just after ten thirty pm, twenty two thirty six”?
Reply    “On the thir, but that was on the fourth”?
1578    “Yes sorry you’re correct on the fourth, Friday so”.(Huh!)
Reply    “Yeah, I mean it could have been somebody calling I suppose in relation to that possibly, erm but otherwise, I mean I only really spoke to you know, sort of my mum and sort of you know, close friends and family, erm and then you know, well Kath, Kath, James’ wife and then James rang me and I think I rang him back and then a couple of people from the BBC News 24 rang, but that was the Thursday night”.
1578    “Okay”.
Reply    “Erm and actually I do remember actually, on the Friday, my phone went a lot with lots of different BBC people ringing at various times, so that could have gone on until the evening”.

I can almost hear old Rachael going "Phew". Can you?

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Post by tigger on 17.03.14 11:17

They have no problem with Friday at all, gerry denies (against very conclusive evidence) that he never had 14 messages on the 2nd - adding in the same breath 'but on Friday we had hundreds of calls!'
RM is quite happy with her Friday calls as well. It's errrm  those others.

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Post by Praia on 17.03.14 11:33

Hi Mirage, I have no idea what RO means by verandah, each floor is accessible by lift and stairs. There are long corridors which the apt doors open onto.

RO has relatively little attention paid to her but there must be a good reason she was asked in the Rog Int if she had access to a car and left Luz that week.

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Post by Mirage on 17.03.14 11:52

@Praia wrote:Hi Mirage, I have no idea what RO means by verandah, each floor is accessible by lift and stairs. There are long corridors which the apt doors open onto.

RO has relatively little attention paid to her but there must be a good reason she was asked in the Rog Int if she had access to a car and left Luz that week.

Hi and many thanks Praia. I haven't done part 3/3 yet so this about the car is new to me. I know MO was asked and he denied use of a car.

I was street googling last night and those apartments are not how I would have imagined from that description - at the back, at least, they look very higgledy piggledy. Not easy straight lines and long runs.  You get a sense of unimpeded whooshing up and down landings from RO's testimony which the images I looked at don't suggest is necessarily possible/easy/quick or even do-able in the way she has implied.

I want to take the old girl out and dust her down. What I have come across thus far in regard to RO is far from satisfactory/coherent. I get the feeling she has been very adept in lying low and making little of herself. Yet she has the Ambassador's and the BBC' s (24 hour news) political correspondent's numbers inter alia. She has also, with her legal training, clearly refined the art of "the need to know basis".

IMO she is a very pivotal player in this saga.

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Post by Praia on 17.03.14 12:00

I have always wondered about her, there is an old saying about the quiet ones being the ones to watch. I am 100% convinced she is involved because of the way she described leaving their baby who had a tummy upset. They would stand at the door and sniff to see if she needed changing. BULL! Those few sentences convince me there was no neglect, no parent would truthfully say they left their baby lying in it's own mess all night.

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Post by Mirage on 17.03.14 12:13

@Praia wrote:I have always wondered about her, there is an old saying about the quiet ones being the ones to watch. I am 100% convinced she is involved because of the way she described leaving their baby who had a tummy upset. They would stand at the door and sniff to see if she needed changing. BULL! Those few sentences convince me there was no neglect, no parent would truthfully say they left their baby lying in it's own mess all night.

If you have any other questions just let me know.
Agree 100%. Will do that. Thanks again.

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.03.14 19:01

@whmon wrote:I've always been in the camp that thought a tragic 'accident' occured, likely due to the massive strength of the physical outcome of temper (throwing?) Of course if this sort of accident had occured it would be viewed as manslaughter. The perpetrators would have been liable, they would have lost their jobs/other children/credentials/livelihoods/freedom.

If what you are suggesting turns out to be correct then I don't know what to say. This country has something bad at it's core.
If a tragic 'accident' occurred of the type you describe it wouldn't be manslaughter; it would be murder.  The perpetrator(s) of the crime would indeed be liable and, if convicted, could expect to receive a prison sentence with all that entails.  

On the evening of 4th May 2007 I became convinced that the McCanns are complicit in the death of their eldest daughter and that they conspired to pervert the course of justice by concealing her body. 

Coming up to 7 years later my opinion has not changed but, since joining this forum, I have become aware of information which suggests that the disappearance of the child and the creation of the 'fund' may have been planned some considerable time before any of the group set foot on Portuguese soil. 

At the present time,I see no reason to discount this possibility and, should it transpire to be the case, far from being evidence that "this country has something bad at its core", it would merely be further confirmation that some people are rotten
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Post by ultimaThule on 18.03.14 1:13

@ultimaThule wrote:
@whmon wrote:I've always been in the camp that thought a tragic 'accident' occured, likely due to the massive strength of the physical outcome of temper (throwing?) Of course if this sort of accident had occured it would be viewed as manslaughter. The perpetrators would have been liable, they would have lost their jobs/other children/credentials/livelihoods/freedom.

If what you are suggesting turns out to be correct then I don't know what to say. This country has something bad at it's core.
If a tragic 'accident' occurred of the type you describe it wouldn't be manslaughter; it would be murder.  The perpetrator(s) of the crime would indeed be liable and, if convicted, could expect to receive a prison sentence with all that entails.  

On the evening of 4th May 2007 I became convinced that the McCanns are complicit in the death of their eldest daughter and that they conspired to pervert the course of justice by concealing her body. 

Coming up to 7 years later my opinion has not changed but, since joining this forum, I have become aware of information which suggests that the disappearance of the child and the creation of the 'fund' may have been planned some considerable time before any of the group set foot on Portuguese soil. 

At the present time,I see no reason to discount this possibility and, should it transpire to be the case, far from being evidence that "this country has something bad at its core", it would merely be further confirmation that some people are rotten
Oops! The final paragraph of my post (above) has lost its ending and should read:

At the present time,I see no reason to discount this possibility and, should it transpire to be the case, far from being evidence that "this country has something bad at its core", it would merely be further confirmation that some people are rotten to the core.
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Post by suzyjohnson on 18.03.14 2:53

RMO “There was just never anyone around, that was the thing you know, it was just like dead the place 
really, you know which is why we, kind of all comfortable in leaving the children and going back and checking them, cos if it had been really busy, we wouldn’t have done that, you know if there’d been lots of people milling around all the time, it wouldn’t have felt right, I mean the place was empty”.
1578 “Yes”.
Reply “You know it was so quiet, you know it was the beginning of the season and erm, yeah, you know if it 
had been remotely busy, you know, it wouldn’t have felt right leaving them and just going back and checking them now and then”.


That's except for Jeremy Wilkins; Rastaman; Stephen Carpenter and his family; Tannerman; Tractorman; six cleaners in a white van; 3 burglars; Mrs Fenn and her daughter; a girl having a cigarette; a man collecting laundry; a man in the stairwell; 3 men on a neighbouring balcony and a soothing couple.  

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Post by ultimaThule on 18.03.14 3:10

Not forgetting the inhabitants of those hellish lairs in the hills around Luz who regularly drive down to the town for a litre of Sagres, a sardine pizza, and a child to take away, suzy  smilie

Eta this extract from the gospel according to St Kate, p.104, Saturday 5 May: "At lunchtime, over by the Tapas area, Gerry saw a crowd of departing guests waiting with their suitcases for the coach to take them to the airport.  Among them was a guy with whom he had played tennis several times that week, accompanied by his wife and child.  They still had another week of their holiday to go but had decided to return home because, as he explained to Gerry, it was just 'too painful' for them to stay any longer.  Gerry felt sick.
It was at this moment that it dawned on him just how many people would be leaving the resort that day without being interviewed.  It would run into the hundreds..."

Luz out of season begins to sound more like Piccadilly Circus than.. erm.. Piccadilly Circus  big grin
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@ultimaThule wrote:Not forgetting the inhabitants of those hellish lairs in the hills around Luz who regularly drive down to the town for a litre of Sagres, a sardine pizza, and a child to take away, suzy  smilie

Eta this extract from the gospel according to St Kate, p.104, Saturday 5 May: "At lunchtime, over by the Tapas area, Gerry saw a crowd of departing guests waiting with their suitcases for the coach to take them to the airport.  Among them was a guy with whom he had played tennis several times that week, accompanied by his wife and child.  They still had another week of their holiday to go but had decided to return home because, as he explained to Gerry, it was just 'too painful' for them to stay any longer.  Gerry felt sick.

Châtelaine writes: At this point I was expecting to hear about their feelings of guilt, making other people cut their holiday short, because they cannot cope with witnessing the grief and distress of the parents of a missing child, which is all too painful for them ...
But no: as actually was to be expected things are turned around and it's them suffering again from coward possible witnesses, who will not be interviewed.



It was at this moment that it dawned on him just how many people would be leaving the resort that day without being interviewed.  It would run into the hundreds..."

Luz out of season begins to sound more like Piccadilly Circus than.. erm.. Piccadilly Circus  big grin
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Post by suzyjohnson on 18.03.14 11:43

Yes Chatelaine it's always the McCanns who are more important than everybody else. That said, I think if I'd already booked another week at the resort and a child went missing, I think I would've stuck around and helped with some searching. I expect the McCanns would have been the first to complain about a ruined holiday if it was someone elses child who had disappeared.

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Post by Cristobell on 18.03.14 12:06

@whmon wrote:I've always been in the camp that thought a tragic 'accident' occured, likely due to the massive strength of the physical outcome of temper (throwing?) Of course if this sort of accident had occured it would be viewed as manslaughter. The perpetrators would have been liable, they would have lost their jobs/other children/credentials/livelihoods/freedom.

If what you are suggesting turns out to be correct then I don't know what to say. This country has something bad at it's core.



I have always felt that something 'physical' occurred Whom, due to the extensive bruising on Kate's wrists and arms the following day. If you look carefully at the first pictures of Gerry and Kate, especially those where she is wearing the black and white check trousers (that cadaver dog alerted to) - she looks spaced out, possibly even sedated.

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Châtelaine wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:Not forgetting the inhabitants of those hellish lairs in the hills around Luz who regularly drive down to the town for a litre of Sagres, a sardine pizza, and a child to take away, suzy  smilie

Eta this extract from the gospel according to St Kate, p.104, Saturday 5 May: "At lunchtime, over by the Tapas area, Gerry saw a crowd of departing guests waiting with their suitcases for the coach to take them to the airport.  Among them was a guy with whom he had played tennis several times that week, accompanied by his wife and child.  They still had another week of their holiday to go but had decided to return home because, as he explained to Gerry, it was just 'too painful' for them to stay any longer.  Gerry felt sick.

Châtelaine writes: At this point I was expecting to hear about their feelings of guilt, making other people cut their holiday short, because they cannot cope with witnessing the grief and distress of the parents of a missing child, which is all too painful for them ...
But no: as actually was to be expected things are turned around and it's them suffering again from coward possible witnesses, who will not be interviewed.



It was at this moment that it dawned on him just how many people would be leaving the resort that day without being interviewed.  It would run into the hundreds..."

Luz out of season begins to sound more like Piccadilly Circus than.. erm.. Piccadilly Circus  big grin
Especially daft of GM in the case of this man with his wife and child: obviously the Wilkins family. Hadn't Jez been just brushed off when he volunteered to come and help look of Maddie, having been woken up by one of the Mecs holiday friends? So why complain afterwards?
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Post by Cristobell on 18.03.14 12:21

Jez Wilkins left on Saturday 5th Portia, and he went to say his goodbyes to the McCanns who were by the pool.

I find this astonishing too. All the locals and indeed other holidaymakers, were out scouring the lawless plains of PDL, while Gerry and Kate were sat by the pool! Maybe the Saturday, was just that bit too soon them to resume their tennis.

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Post by ultimaThule on 18.03.14 13:00

@Portia wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:Not forgetting the inhabitants of those hellish lairs in the hills around Luz who regularly drive down to the town for a litre of Sagres, a sardine pizza, and a child to take away, suzy  smilie

Eta this extract from the gospel according to St Kate, p.104, Saturday 5 May: "At lunchtime, over by the Tapas area, Gerry saw a crowd of departing guests waiting with their suitcases for the coach to take them to the airport.  Among them was a guy with whom he had played tennis several times that week, accompanied by his wife and child.  They still had another week of their holiday to go but had decided to return home because, as he explained to Gerry, it was just 'too painful' for them to stay any longer.  Gerry felt sick.

Châtelaine writes: At this point I was expecting to hear about their feelings of guilt, making other people cut their holiday short, because they cannot cope with witnessing the grief and distress of the parents of a missing child, which is all too painful for them ...
But no: as actually was to be expected things are turned around and it's them suffering again from coward possible witnesses, who will not be interviewed.



It was at this moment that it dawned on him just how many people would be leaving the resort that day without being interviewed.  It would run into the hundreds..."

Luz out of season begins to sound more like Piccadilly Circus than.. erm.. Piccadilly Circus  big grin
Especially daft of GM in the case of this man with his wife and child: obviously the Wilkins family. Hadn't Jez been just brushed off when he volunteered to come and help look of Maddie, having been woken up by one of the Mecs holiday friends? So why complain afterwards?
Heaven forfend either of the McCanns would ever trouble to think of the feelings of others, Chatelaine.  They're far too important to
give any thought to courtesy... that's for 'common' people to concern themselves with  big grin 

It seems that in Exhibit KH1 the author neglected to make it clear that she, too, was intent on making the most of their upgrade to all-inclusive courtesy of MW in the Tapas Bar with her spouse, having first arranged her features into the 'silent scream' of get out of my way, peasants, I need a drink so movingly portrayed in the article by Jezza's partner, Bridget.
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Post by PeterMac on 18.03.14 13:05

@Cristobell wrote:
I find this astonishing too.  All the locals and indeed other holidaymakers, were out scouring the lawless plains of PDL, while Gerry and Kate were by the pool!  Maybe the Saturday was just that bit too soon them to resume their tennis.
The Saturday was only the second day with decent weather "and it was our holiday too !"
Thursday was cold and windy, until late evening - which is why the Last Photo is a falsehood -
Friday was more settled, but the police kept bothering them and wanting to talk, and they had to settle in to their new free apartment,
and do some serious planning for what they would do when the official search finished
So Saturday was the first real sitting-by-the-pool day for them.

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Post by ultimaThule on 18.03.14 13:59

@PeterMac wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
I find this astonishing too.  All the locals and indeed other holidaymakers, were out scouring the lawless plains of PDL, while Gerry and Kate were by the pool!  Maybe the Saturday was just that bit too soon them to resume their tennis.
The Saturday was only the second day with decent weather  "and it was our holiday too !"  
Thursday was cold and windy, until late evening - which is why the Last Photo is a falsehood -
Friday was more settled, but the police kept bothering them and wanting to talk, and they had to settle in to their new free apartment,
and do some serious planning for what they would do when the official search finished
So Saturday was the first real sitting-by-the-pool day for them.
Not forgetting those concerned relatives and friends who arrived in droves to take advantage of a freebie console the bereft couple, for whom MW had provided 3 apartments to replace the one they had to leave and had thoughtfully opened the kids club on 'changeover day' especially for the entertainment of the twins.
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Re: Rachael Oldfield interview.

Post by Cristobell on 18.03.14 14:32

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the staff areas while the McCanns, the friends, family, priests, bridesmaids. legal staff and PR advisors were enjoying their extended holiday?  Were they providing waiter service, drinks and snacks to the McCann party and all their guests?  

All the Tapas friends stayed on for an extra week or so too, were their costs met by Warners?  The energetic and resourceful Michael Wright stayed out there for nearly as long as the McCanns (maybe he was a good tennis player?), so who covered the costs of his stay and of course 5 months loss of earnings?

The McCanns, high income Doctors, had to use the Fund to pay their mortgage, so how did other family members, especially those who took extended breaks from work, manage?  The Fund doesn't of course list any employees, everything comes under vague headers such as Media Monitoring and Legal Expenses, I cannot help being curious as to who paid for that 5 month summer break for the clans McCann and Healy?

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What's our old Rachael up to, nowadays...?

Post by missbeetle on 20.07.14 5:15

(clipped from equityfd.com)

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Re: Rachael Oldfield interview.

Post by tigger on 20.07.14 7:11

Here is a link with Mirage's brilliant analyses of the RM rogatory.

Well worth a read.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9438-rogatory-interviews-rachel-mampilly-oldfield?highlight=Oldfield

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Re: Rachael Oldfield interview.

Post by Guest on 20.07.14 9:11

@missbeetle wrote:(clipped from equityfd.com)

Remind me not to get stuck next to her at a dinner party.

Oh sorry, my mistake. I don't go to dinner parties.



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