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Post by PeterMac 24.04.13 7:48

The anniversary is coming up very soon.
We are clearly due for another sighting ?
If so where, and what will be the circumstances ?

How 'out of date' will it be ?
What nationality or racial group will be targeted ?
How many innocent bystanders will be harassed by local police ?
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Post by tigger 24.04.13 8:25

@PeterMac wrote:The anniversary is coming up very soon.
We are clearly due for another sighting ?
If so where, and what will be the circumstances ?

How 'out of date' will it be ?
What nationality or racial group will be targeted ?
How many innocent bystanders will be harassed by local police ?

I'd recommend a re-run of the Stam sighting. A little girl who told Anna Stam in Amsterdam that she'd been taken away from her holiday and the woman she was with wasn't her mother. In perfect English.
Naturally you feel this needs further investigation and having seen and spoken to this child 'before the 8th May 07' she naturally hastened to the police station as soon as June 13th 2007. She was so sure of this sighting that she waited six weeks to report it.
Having descriptions of the couple,buying items consistent with their statement that they ran a small travelling circus both in France and other European countries - they should be easy to find.
However, TM invited her to London for a photo opportunity a year later - having selected her sighting from the 2000+ listed in the PJ files. She got to be photographed with the McCanns and have drawings made of the couple (drawings that look rather like the McCanns) but no one put out a request to look for a small travelling circus.

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Post by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 8:34

It will be interesting to see in which continent the next sighting is. I somehow don't think it will be Antarctica otherwise we'd be looking for 'penguin man' and that's stretching things a bit far.

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Post by The Rooster 24.04.13 8:42

The Olive Press have been publishing unsubstantiated stories yet again on the Costa Del Sol, please click the link...

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2013/04/20/watch-your-children-on-the-costa-del-sol/

I've had a couple of posts whooshed by the owner of the paper in the past and didn't really expect him to allow my most recent, but surprisingly he did and fair play to him. See the comments section.
So the forthcoming anniversary could be already be seeded in Spain.

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Post by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 8:52

@The Rooster wrote:The Olive Press have been publishing unsubstantiated stories yet again on the Costa Del Sol, please click the link...

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2013/04/20/watch-your-children-on-the-costa-del-sol/

I've had a couple of posts whooshed by the owner of the paper in the past and didn't really expect him to allow my most recent, but surprisingly he did and fair play to him. See the comments section.
So the forthcoming anniversary could be already be seeded in Spain.

snipped from the OP - the description of one of the men....

'One of the men is described as thin with hollow eyes and greasy long
hair, while the other is tall, of a heavy build with a shaved head and
wearing dark clothing.'

Is that a good description?
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Post by PeterMac 24.04.13 9:02

[quote="aquila"]
@The Rooster wrote:
snipped from the OP - the description of one of the men....
'One of the men is described as thin with hollow eyes and greasy long
hair, while the other is tall, of a heavy build with a shaved head and
wearing dark clothing.'

Is that a good description?
It is the perfect stereotype. Greasy hair, limp, mumbling, "foreign looking", smelling of garlic, stooping . . .
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Post by plebgate 24.04.13 9:08

aquila wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:The Olive Press have been publishing unsubstantiated stories yet again on the Costa Del Sol, please click the link...

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2013/04/20/watch-your-children-on-the-costa-del-sol/

I've had a couple of posts whooshed by the owner of the paper in the past and didn't really expect him to allow my most recent, but surprisingly he did and fair play to him. See the comments section.
So the forthcoming anniversary could be already be seeded in Spain.

snipped from the OP - the description of one of the men....

'One of the men is described as thin with hollow eyes and greasy long
hair, while the other is tall, of a heavy build with a shaved head and
wearing dark clothing.'


Is that a good description?



I am surprised they weren't driving a white van with 6-8 cleaners ready to jump out.
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Post by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 9:08

[quote="PeterMac"]
aquila wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:
snipped from the OP - the description of one of the men....
'One of the men is described as thin with hollow eyes and greasy long
hair, while the other is tall, of a heavy build with a shaved head and
wearing dark clothing.'

Is that a good description?
It is the perfect stereotype. Greasy hair, limp, mumbling, "foreign looking", smelling of garlic, stooping . . .

Indeed it is PeterMac, an absolutely hopeless description other than to imply rough looking, sinister, foreign bloke. Now I wonder where we've seen a similar description before.

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Post by plebgate 24.04.13 9:14

Where will Mr. be spotted next? he has been very quiet since the Hacked off campaign.
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Post by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 9:17

There is something really odd (imo) about the OP's article.

What date?
What bank?
What street?
What time of day?
Did anyone see anything, if so come forward?
Accurate description of men?


I don't know the area but there may well have been CCTV around a bank ATM.

Of course there is also the absolute and immediate assumption that these chaps were there to abduct a child - not to get the child to open the door so they could nick the car or as is possible a handbag left on the seat. No, it's all about child abduction immediately.

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Post by PeterMac 24.04.13 9:24

Luckily they got a good photo of the offender.
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Post by aiyoyo 24.04.13 10:30

[quote="aquila"]
@PeterMac wrote:
aquila wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:
snipped from the OP - the description of one of the men....
'One of the men is described as thin with hollow eyes and greasy long
hair, while the other is tall, of a heavy build with a shaved head and
wearing dark clothing.'

Is that a good description?
It is the perfect stereotype. Greasy hair, limp, mumbling, "foreign looking", smelling of garlic, stooping . . .

Indeed it is PeterMac, an absolutely hopeless description other than to imply rough looking, sinister, foreign bloke. Now I wonder where we've seen a similar description before.

The Mccanns had said that she was taken by a paedo or a childless couple. Surely they could do better than always coming up with sightings invariably of an an olive-skin, unkempt, sinister foreign looking man.
Their prototype of a greasy hair, limp and stinky guy just means the guy may be homeless but that does not make him paedo.

To come up with a paedo-type with the means to organise a crime of that imaginative-mccanns-style- abduction and with the financial means to drag Maddie from West to East Continent and back again, they have to come up with a well to do, probably well-known, seemingly respectable in the society (at least on the surface of it) type of guy who has a predilection for kiddies of Maddie's age.

Someone unkempt and seedy looking simply does not have the money to travel the world dragging a world famous iconic missing child along; and still managed to escape the attention of immigration controls.
If the guy was poor, unkempt, homeless smelly gyspy looking type, chances are that the child with him would have been living in the same condition him. There is no way such a scruffy man could possibly be dragging a pristine Maddie-look-alike around any where. If Maddie was with such a type she would be equally if not more scruffy and shabby as her captor and would be beyond recognition.

They had a sighting in Leh with all the furore only for their spoken creature to denounce it as verified as false. Potala Palace vicinity may be next destination, jammed-full of foreign tourists, but a venue just like the hellish lair, where it it impossible for police to verify.

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Post by PeterMac 24.04.13 11:57

@aiyoyo wrote:
They had a sighting in Leh with all the furore only for their spoken creature to denounce it as verified as false. Potala Palace vicinity may be next destination, jammed-full of foreign tourists, but a venue just like the hellish lair, where it it impossible for police to verify.
I think their spokes-creature said that a photo had been sent and DNA evidence was being checked.
The Leh police chief said there had been no sighting - that it was the invention of a local journalist. Hence there was no photo and no DNA.
One or other is wrong.
I wonder which one.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 24.04.13 12:10

We might not get a sighting at all. The last few times there has been a sighting, reader comments in the media have roundly been contemptuous and the public, I don't think, are buying it anymore.

However, with the Star article discussing the cost of the review, and mentioning the murder investigators working on the case, I wouldn't be too surprised if Op Grange made some sort of a statement or update. It has been a year or so since Andy Redwood came to the astute realisation that Madeleine was either alive or dead. Such investigative brilliance then led to a very long silence, but as part of public accountability this silence cannot continue indefinitely.

For my money, I am expecting another demonstration of Redwoods razor-sharp acumen as the anniversary "event".

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Post by aiyoyo 24.04.13 12:25

@PeterMac wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
They had a sighting in Leh with all the furore only for their spoken creature to denounce it as verified as false. Potala Palace vicinity may be next destination, jammed-full of foreign tourists, but a venue just like the hellish lair, where it it impossible for police to verify.
I think their spokes-creature said that a photo had been sent and DNA evidence was being checked.
The Leh police chief said there had been no sighting - that it was the invention of a local journalist. Hence there was no photo and no DNA.
One or other is wrong.
I wonder which one.

A local journalist who evidently not only heard about the Mccanns, but also found their missing Maddie wondering in his home region market place, ten thousand miles away from the place Maddie was snatched from.
Noitceably, their spokes-creature didnt have the gall to name which authority particulary undertook that check.

Their spokes-creature is not done yet.
We're going to hear a lot more of the same general statement ie unnamed Police have been informed about the sightings and have checked, and it's not Madeleine.
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Post by aiyoyo 24.04.13 12:44

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:We might not get a sighting at all. The last few times there has been a sighting, reader comments in the media have roundly been contemptuous and the public, I don't think, are buying it anymore.

However, with the Star article discussing the cost of the review, and mentioning the murder investigators working on the case, I wouldn't be too surprised if Op Grange made some sort of a statement or update. It has been a year or so since Andy Redwood came to the astute realisation that Madeleine was either alive or dead. Such investigative brilliance then led to a very long silence, but as part of public accountability this silence cannot continue indefinitely.

For my money, I am expecting another demonstration of Redwoods razor-sharp acumen as the anniversary "event".

http://truthformadeleine.com/2011/08/operation-grange-madeleine-mccann-a-potential-murder-enquiry/

I have no idea who run that forum, but someone there claimed to have spoken to SY, and was told the review was looking at it as a murder enquiry.
So Redwood's statement of the two possibilities, one or the other, is just playing the blinder I think. To what necessity is anyone's guess.

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Post by PeterMac 24.04.13 12:56

I think it was / is Steve Marsden, who wrote the book and ran the Faked Abduction site. Stevo.
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Post by Smokeandmirrors 24.04.13 13:08

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:We might not get a sighting at all. The last few times there has been a sighting, reader comments in the media have roundly been contemptuous and the public, I don't think, are buying it anymore.

However, with the Star article discussing the cost of the review, and mentioning the murder investigators working on the case, I wouldn't be too surprised if Op Grange made some sort of a statement or update. It has been a year or so since Andy Redwood came to the astute realisation that Madeleine was either alive or dead. Such investigative brilliance then led to a very long silence, but as part of public accountability this silence cannot continue indefinitely.

For my money, I am expecting another demonstration of Redwoods razor-sharp acumen as the anniversary "event".

http://truthformadeleine.com/2011/08/operation-grange-madeleine-mccann-a-potential-murder-enquiry/

I have no idea who run that forum, but someone there claimed to have spoken to SY, and was told the review was looking at it as a murder enquiry.
So Redwood's statement of the two possibilities, one or the other, is just playing the blinder I think. To what necessity is anyone's guess.

I guess, given the possible connections and broader picture that we have all been speculating over the years, and the wealth of research that has been done and thrown up some startling bits of info, if the case is part of a much larger picture, I would assume that it is either to enable a successful cover-up (know thy enemy sort of thing) or making sure ones ducks are fully lined up before one takes the shot. Depending on which it is, playing ones cards close until the very last moment is the best strategy of all. In either scenario, it is definitely a game of "slowly, slowly, catches monkey". If there is some sort of cover up going on in high places, and if there are people working the case who do genuinely want to get to the bottom of this, it might be a question of waiting for certain people to retire, resign or get busted for something else. There are probably people in the equation who need to be out of the equation for this matter to go further. There are people acting as a barrier in this, I'm certain, and they have to go IMO before media or others can speak. Fernbridge, for example, has not been mentioned for a while, no court cases lined up as part of Yewtree as far as I am aware. These these are moving forward painfully slowly, as they always do, but can't help thinking they are linked.

If they are all linked, and it's a slowly slowly game with a huge bullseye in sight, this would explain the medias behaviour in all this.

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Post by jeanmonroe 24.04.13 14:31

Smokeandmirrors
"I guess, given the possible connections and broader picture that we have all been speculating over the years, and the wealth of research that has been done and thrown up some startling bits of info, if the case is part of a much larger picture, I would assume that it is either to enable a successful cover-up (know thy enemy sort of thing) or making sure ones ducks are fully lined up before one takes the shot. Depending on which it is, playing ones cards close until the very last moment is the best strategy of all. In either scenario, it is definitely a game of "slowly, slowly, catches monkey". If there is some sort of cover up going on in high places, and if there are people working the case who do genuinely want to get to the bottom of this, it might be a question of waiting for certain people to retire, resign or get busted for something else. There are probably people in the equation who need to be out of the equation for this matter to go further. There are people acting as a barrier in this, I'm certain, and they have to go IMO before media or others can speak. Fernbridge, for example, has not been mentioned for a while, no court cases lined up as part of Yewtree as far as I am aware. These these are moving forward painfully slowly, as they always do, but can't help thinking they are linked.
If they are all linked, and it's a slowly slowly game with a huge bullseye in sight, this would explain the medias behaviour in all this."


I think that maybe an older relative(s) connected to her (Madeleine) will have to pass away to save them from the deceit that has been created, imo, by the 'family', around Madeleines 'disappearance'.
I also think the passing of this person will bring something up, a huge change, a big transition.No need for that person to be 'protected from the truth' any longer.
With the connection to Madeleine, when this person/persons passes on there will be a big release of information

Gerry's mother,(Madeleines gran)? Kate's dad (Madeleines grandad)?
Personally, i think the family are 'protecting' GM's mother.

alternatively, maybe an end of a relationship that nobody knows about....... yet.
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Post by tigger 24.04.13 14:32

@The Rooster wrote:The Olive Press have been publishing unsubstantiated stories yet again on the Costa Del Sol, please click the link...

http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2013/04/20/watch-your-children-on-the-costa-del-sol/

I've had a couple of posts whooshed by the owner of the paper in the past and didn't really expect him to allow my most recent, but surprisingly he did and fair play to him. See the comments section.
So the forthcoming anniversary could be already be seeded in Spain.

I rather like this comment:
Is it possible that these guys were after the car rather than the children? If they could convince the kids to open the door then it is a handy way to steal a car.

It would be far more likely imo. Quick and easy profit.

Although Jon Clark left a post saying:
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APRIL 20TH, 2013 8:29 PM
Pg, we do usually call the police or town halls to get a flat no comment.. Only the national police in Malaga seem to be any good at helping journalistically speaking ( yes it is a word)…it is v frustrating.
These stories are not hoaxes and NOT written lightly.
There seem to be spates of them while gangs or individual perverts are around. One is an English man still being sought over velez Malaga snatch some months back… He’s dangerous and somewhere out there.
Please be v v vigilant
Jon

Errm: so the nationality of one is known - there was a Malaga snatch - why isn't that mentioned in the article?

As to Eastern Europeans trying to snatch children, I understood they have way too many of their own that they haven't been too careful with. I can see them stealing cars fairly easily.

Isn't it coincidental that just days after Kate has confided to the Telegraph that she dared to leave her children alone in the car
we get the Olive Press with the unsavoury characters trying to steal children from cars?

Is that woman unlucky or what? splat

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Post by tasprin 24.04.13 14:52

The only reason this story is constantly in the news - six years non-stop - is because nobody really believes it. The public is still interested because they're hoping that there will be a breakthrough one day. The media keep it rolling, in order to keep the interest alive and though they can't print anything that is in the least controversial they know that if the truth comes out it will be the biggest story of all time...kerching!
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Post by jeanmonroe 24.04.13 14:54

"while gangs or individual perverts are around"

I think THAT 'description' just about covers EVERYONE!
What name is given to somebody that is between a GANG and an individual?
Great journalism AGAIN!
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Post by Liz Eagles 24.04.13 18:54

This is just my opinion but I think the sighting to watch for is the forthcoming update on Madeleine's website (there hasn't been one since Christmas 2012) and Missing People's website (nothing so far to say how much money was collected from the Marathon).

Both of these websites have 'donate' buttons. Madeleine's website (correct me if I'm wrong and I apologise if I am) has relatively new 'donate' buttons, although why donations are needed baffles me in light of the demand for an SY 'review' that's costing millions of pounds to the UK taxpayers. Both of these websites are allied to logos of organisations who can't seem to quantify what exactly it is they do or more importantly achieve. I don't know what the McCann's campaign is to find Madeleine because they don't tell me on their website. The 'awareness' word comes up a lot. Missing People's website is a labyrinth of information that brings me back to the 'donate' button.

What the hell am I donating to? What do these limited companies and charities actually do? Why don't these limited companies and charities say it in plain terms?

Poor Madeleine....a PR triumph, a statistic, a 'cause' for 'other people'. Never mind Madeleine, your mother was in the newspapers last week to say she can forgive whoever did this to you and she's run a marathon with a bad foot to highlight 'awareness' of missing people. Your dad likes strategic things too. They're both working really hard to find you in their own way.
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Post by russiandoll 03.05.13 12:59

On the 6th anniversary, God Bless you Maddie McCann, wherever you may be.



Butterfly In The Wind

A child is……..

A butterfly in the wind,
Some can fly higher than others;
but each one flies the best it can.
Why compare one against the other?

Each one is different!
Each one is special!
Each one is beautiful!

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Post by annemab 03.05.13 23:08

As above - God bless you and keep you Madeleine xx
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