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Draconian crackdown on the public's right to know

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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 5:34

'Secret arrests' fear as police seek ban on naming suspects: Plan threatens to turn Britain into a 'banana republic'


· Lawyer representing Jimmy Savile victims said publishing the name of suspects encourages other potential victims to come forward

· Plan to keep arrests secret is being opposed by the Law Commission, the government's own adviser

· Well-known celebrity arrested under the investigation into the Savile scandal cannot be named by the media

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305542/Secret-arrests-fear-police-seek-ban-naming-suspects-Plan-threatens-turn-Britain-banana-republic.html#ixzz2PqEs3MbW

COVER UP OR WHAT?

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Post by plebgate on 08.04.13 8:46

Sounds like cover up to me. Very suspicious. Who the heck is involved in all of this?

Also the young man who died aged 23 in the artist's house (forget his name) a couple of weeks ago, all gone quiet on that. Will have to google and see if I can find out anything.

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Post by plebgate on 08.04.13 8:52

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9936962/David-Hockneys-assistant-23-dies-after-falling-ill-in-artists-home.html

There's a report dated 18th March, 2013 about this in the telegraph and the article says a post mortem was due to be held the next day, but I have not seen anything else about this.

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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 9:46

It used to be accepted (possibly actually a legal requirement?) that nobody was ever publicly named until they'd actually been charged with an offence.

I don't know why this has changed; there should be anonymity when no charges have been made.
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Post by joyce1938 on 08.04.13 10:45

yes i too agree there should be no names till its well beyond the taking in stage .people are found not to be guilty and their names ahave been all over internet ,not fair at all.we dont need to surmise on the whims of some news items .joyce1938
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Post by plebgate on 08.04.13 10:56

Yes it is a good point that NOBODY should be named until charges brought BUT how many innocent members of the GENERAL public have been named,(e.g. rape accusations) despite calls being made for anonimity until charged. The excuse given then has always been that there may be others who might come forward - now suddenly it seems that anonymity should be upheld.

Yet again, at least to me, it looks as though one rule for one.

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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 11:57

Snipped from news artical

It has led to a situation where a well-known celebrity arrested as part of Operation Yewtree, the investigation into the Savile scandal, cannot be named by the media, although he has been widely identified on the internet.

The 83-year-old was arrested on March 28 in Berkshire on suspicion of sexual offences, but the Metropolitan Police refused to release his name tothe Press.

By contrast, the names of other suspects accused of historical sexual offences have been published in the Press after their names were confirmed by other forces or by lawyer

I agree with all your points of not naming suspects who have been arrested & wating to see if a suspect is going to be charged, however IMO the goal post as been moved and it will be moved again to protect the powers that be
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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 12:01

Someone on twitter asked MWT why some are named and others not. His answer was that they are only named if confirmed by someone close to them.
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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 12:39

candyfloss wrote:Someone on twitter asked MWT why some are named and others not. His answer was that they are only named if confirmed by someone close to them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, MWT is saying someone close to suspect has given suspects name to police so police can release name. That doesn't seem right to me.
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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 12:50

Cherry Blossom wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Someone on twitter asked MWT why some are named and others not. His answer was that they are only named if confirmed by someone close to them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, MWT is saying someone close to suspect has given suspects name to police so police can release name. That doesn't seem right to me.



Eoghan Mitchell‏@eoghaner4 Apr

@mwilliamsthomas What's the reason that the likes of Davidson and Dave Lee Travis were named after being arrested and others aren't? Thanks



Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas4 Apr

@eoghaner Essentially they / or person connected to them has made a statement and/or confirmed it





Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas15h

Attitudes 2 naming those arrested has changed-no legal argument exist that prevents naming those whose id is certain in Op.Yewtree #Savile
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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 12:51

Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas19h
Those wondering why a few people arrested in the #Savile Op. Yewtree inv are not named here is a good explanation. http://flip.it/2y9i2





Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas19h

Am worried that not naming after arrest for child abuse investigations will have a big impact on giving victims the confidence 2 speak out
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Post by Guest on 08.04.13 13:15

Hi candyfloss, thanks for the links what I mean't to say was the words in his tweet didn't seem right, I don't like the man he seems so full of his own importance, more or less saying "you believe me, I know"
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Post by whmon on 08.04.13 21:04

candyfloss wrote:Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas19h
Those wondering why a few people arrested in the #Savile Op. Yewtree inv are not named here is a good explanation. http://flip.it/2y9i2





Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas19h

Am worried that not naming after arrest for child abuse investigations will have a big impact on giving victims the confidence 2 speak out

The name of the 82 year old entertainer (in the newspaper article -first link above) that has been withheld from the British public is easily obtainable from overseas sites. I was shocked and dismayed when I read who it was.

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Post by Guest on 11.05.13 8:47

Theresa May orders police to stop keeping arrests secret after Mail reveals one in three forces won't name charged suspects




  • Home Secretary acts to halt trend of secret arrests and charges
  • Daily Mail revealed a third of forces refuse to name charged suspects

Police were last night ordered to halt their march towards arresting and charging suspects in secret.

Theresa May intervened to ‘protect transparency in the criminal justice system’.

It follows revelations by the Mail that one force in three is refusing to name suspects even after they have been charged.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2322864/Theresa-May-orders-police-stop-keeping-arrests-secret-Mail-reveals-forces-wont-charged-suspects.html

I'm no fan of Theresa May however in this instance I tip my hat to her









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