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Post by plebgate on 06.04.13 8:30

How can anybody think that hurting and harming children who cannot defend themselves is acceptable ?

Same goes for the sick, elderly and disabled. Defencless people are harmed every day and it is allowed to go on and as pointed out if and when action is taken the courts very much of the time do absolutely nothing it and let the accused off only to allow them to carry on with their despicable crimes.

I truly hope that these reports help change what has been covered up for years and I truly hope that any parents who have allowed their children to be used in this way also face the consequences of their irresponsibleand imo disgraceful behaviour.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.04.13 9:04

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:What scares me so much about these evil pedophiles, is that they actually think they are entitled. They really don't seem to believe what they are doing is wrong and that someone else's child is out of bounds. It's the single minded evil within them that sees peoples precious, innocent children as being there for their "use". It is the most dangerous, deluded and sick mindset that I can think of...
This is so true.

A campaigner named Judith Reisman patiently exposed Alfred Kinsey, the bloke who in the late 1940s and early 1950s authored seminal books on human sexual behaviour, as a pervert who employed researchers to abuse young children, even infants, as part of his 'research'. There is a fascinating 3-hour video about Kinsey which fully exposes him and includes an interview with one of his perverted researchers, now quite an old man. He simply could not see that he had done anything wrong. It is truly shocking.

These people are guilty of an extreme form of 'doublethink'. On the one hamd, when confronted, they justify their depraved desires (much as Graham Ovendon has done). On the other hand, they go to extreme lengths, being manipulative and cunning, and often using threats by high-powered lawyers, to cover up what they have done.

Here is some info about Judith Reisman:

]http://www.whale.to/b/kinsey.html


and here is a rebuttal from the notorious Kinsey Institute themselves:

]http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/about/contro-03.html


I guess you will have to make up your mind about who is telling the truth

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Post by Miraflores on 06.04.13 11:23

@plebgate wrote:Another classic, stock answer in the article - why has it taken 40 years for these people to make a complaint.

Newsflash - many of the victimes have been fighting to be heard for years. It is only through the internet that these things are being challenged.

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It's only because of the scale of the Savile abuse that these voices can now be heard. Until then, they weren't believed.
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Post by Guest on 06.04.13 14:31

Back to the Tate for a moment. Please bear with me.
There is art and there are it's creators. Chet Baker was more than an asshole, his music appreciated.
It's a narrow cliff to straddle, entartete Kunst, state control.
Like freedom of press, there should be freedom of expression.
Of course that does not cover snuff-movies, child porn(I forbid myself to visualise any of it, even gave the book 'Madeleine' away).
But I kind of worry about this removal from the Tate museum.
Regret it, I did like it's atmosphere. Sweet memories. Mr B took me there high5
I know mine is not a popular opinion.
This is a 'need to write' post.
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Post by Guest on 05.06.13 13:08

Graham Ovenden walks free after judged no longer a sexual threat


'Soft sentence' for artist convicted of historic sexual abuse of children, infuriates police and campaigners

Steven Morris

  • The Guardian, Tuesday 4 June 2013 19.09 BST


    Graham Ovenden arriving at Plymouth crown court, where he received a 12-month sentence suspended for two years. Photograph: Rod Minchin/PA

    A celebrated artist who had been convicted of a string of sexual offences against children has defiantly compared himself to Oscar Wilde after he has walked free after a judge concluded he was no longer a threat to youngsters.

    Graham Ovenden, 70, whose explicit portraits of young naked girls have hung in galleries across the world, had been found guilty of abusing child models in the 1970s and 1980s, but to the frustration of police officers was only handed a suspended sentence.

    Though the sentencing judge Graham Cottle told Ovenden he was sure had a sexual interest in children and said that if he committed the offences now he could face up to 14 years in prison on one of the charges alone, the artist was given only a suspended 12-month jail term.

    Speaking to the Guardian on Monday, before he was sentenced, Ovenden said he was unrepentant and his sales had not suffered: "My reputation is impugned but in the art world fame and infamy are the same thing – look at Oscar Wilde. One of my paintings sold well at auction three weeks ago. It hasn't buggered up my market at all. But I don't wish to go to prison. I'm innocent at every level.

    "If Christ was to walk this Earth again and utter those quite wonderful words, 'Suffer little children to come unto me', he would probably be arrested as a paedophile and crucified."

    Privately police, who have investigated Ovenden for years, were furious he did not receive an immediate custodial term. Detective Inspector Paul Maddocks, who led the investigation, thanked Ovenden's victims for coming forward to give "harrowing evidence" at his trial and added: "He has been convicted of the sexual abuse of children, this trial has not been about art."

    The decision to allow Ovenden his liberty was greeted with dismay by groups who campaign for the victims of sexual abuse. Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said: "It's an absolutely outrageous decision. A suspended sentence is not appropriate for such serious crimes and it doesn't take into account the suffering inflicted on the victims.

    "The issue of whether he poses a threat to society should be irrelevant. The judiciary is sending out the message that this crime is not taken seriously."

    Conservative MP Priti Patel said: "Sex offences, particularly against children, are extremely serious crimes. It is disgraceful that the severity of these offences has not been reflected in the sentence handed out. The victims have been let down and this soft sentence will send the wrong message out."

    Outside Plymouth crown court after the hearing, Ovenden refused to apologise to his victims and vowed to appeal against his conviction, continuing to insist that his work was about showing children in a "state of grace".

    Sentencing Ovenden, Judge Graham Cottle told him he cloaked his sexual interest by claiming it was an artistic one. Cottle said a "stream" of young girls had arrived at Ovenden's home, Barley Splatt on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, to be photographed. "The girls had no understanding at that time of the true purpose behind what you were doing, a purpose that was undoubtedly sexual," the judge said.

    Ovenden was convicted by a jury earlier this year of one indecent assault and six counts of indecency.

    The judge said one of the indecency offences Ovenden was convicted of – asking a girl to touch him while they were in a bath together – could today be treated as inciting a child to engage in a sexual act, carrying a maximum jail sentence of 14 years.

    But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before tougher laws to protect children were brought in.

    He had also considered Ovenden's age, that he had no previous convictions, had endured a "steep fall from grace" – and said he did not consider him a danger to children now.

    Defending, Christopher Quinlan QC told the court that Ovenden, a former pupil of pop artist Sir Peter Blake, had suffered a blow to his reputation. Some of his works have been removed from the Tate's online collection

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/04/graham-ovenden-judged-no-threat

    Absolutly appaling, where is that Judge coming from?
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    Post by aquila on 05.06.13 13:51

    Snipped from the Guardian article

    "But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in
    place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before
    tougher laws to protect children were brought in."

    That really does sum up this stunning lack of justice - the words of JUDGE Cottle.
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    Post by Guest on 05.06.13 14:02

    @aquila wrote:Snipped from the Guardian article

    "But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in
    place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before
    tougher laws to protect children were brought in."

    That really does sum up this stunning lack of justice - the words of JUDGE Cottle.

    Now this does make me wonder if the same will apply to the others who have been involved in sexual abuse? Is this Judge setting a precident?
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    Post by aquila on 05.06.13 14:04

    Cherry Blossom wrote:
    @aquila wrote:Snipped from the Guardian article

    "But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in
    place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before
    tougher laws to protect children were brought in."

    That really does sum up this stunning lack of justice - the words of JUDGE Cottle.

    Now this does make me wonder if the same will apply to the others who have been involved in sexual abuse? Is this Judge setting a precident?

    My thoughts exactly.
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    Post by Guest on 05.06.13 14:32

    @aquila wrote:
    Cherry Blossom wrote:
    @aquila wrote:Snipped from the Guardian article

    "But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in
    place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before
    tougher laws to protect children were brought in."

    That really does sum up this stunning lack of justice - the words of JUDGE Cottle.

    Now this does make me wonder if the same will apply to the others who have been involved in sexual abuse? Is this Judge setting a precident?

    My thoughts exactly.

    Snipped

    Privately police, who have investigated Ovenden for years, were furious he did not receive an immediate custodial term. Detective Inspector Paul Maddocks, who led the investigation, thanked Ovenden's victims for coming forward to give "harrowing evidence" at his trial and added: "He has been convicted of the sexual abuse of children, this trial has not been about art."

    The decision to allow Ovenden his liberty was greeted with dismay by groups who campaign for the victims of sexual abuse. Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said: "It's an absolutely outrageous decision. A suspended sentence is not appropriate for such serious crimes and it doesn't take into account the suffering inflicted on the victims.

    "The issue of whether he poses a threat to society should be irrelevant. The judiciary is sending out the message that this crime is not taken seriously."

    I couldn't agree more on the above comments, at least the police have spoken out on behalf of the victim's and know there has been an injustice, also Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood. So lets hope all victims will get the justice they deserve.
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    Post by aquila on 05.06.13 14:38

    Cherry Blossom wrote:
    @aquila wrote:
    Cherry Blossom wrote:
    @aquila wrote:Snipped from the Guardian article

    "But Cottle said he had to take into account the sentencing regime in
    place at the time of the offences, between 25 and 40 years ago, before
    tougher laws to protect children were brought in."

    That really does sum up this stunning lack of justice - the words of JUDGE Cottle.

    Now this does make me wonder if the same will apply to the others who have been involved in sexual abuse? Is this Judge setting a precident?

    My thoughts exactly.

    Snipped

    Privately police, who have investigated Ovenden for years, were furious he did not receive an immediate custodial term. Detective Inspector Paul Maddocks, who led the investigation, thanked Ovenden's victims for coming forward to give "harrowing evidence" at his trial and added: "He has been convicted of the sexual abuse of children, this trial has not been about art."

    The decision to allow Ovenden his liberty was greeted with dismay by groups who campaign for the victims of sexual abuse. Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, said: "It's an absolutely outrageous decision. A suspended sentence is not appropriate for such serious crimes and it doesn't take into account the suffering inflicted on the victims.

    "The issue of whether he poses a threat to society should be irrelevant. The judiciary is sending out the message that this crime is not taken seriously."

    I couldn't agree more on the above comments, at least the police have spoken out on behalf of the victim's and know there has been an injustice, also Peter Saunders, chief executive of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood. So lets hope all victims will get the justice they deserve.

    Just not in this instance eh? This paedophile criminal has got off scott free and will no doubt appeal. It's no good police or NAPA speaking out if they can't do anything. It's lip service.

    How bad is this!!!!!
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    Post by bobbin on 05.06.13 17:10

    http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Attorney-General-review-sentencing-paedophile/story-19193447-detail/story.html#axzz2VMEljzFe

    Attorney General to review sentencing of paedophile artist Graham Ovenden
    from Cornwall


    Wednesday, June 05, 2013
    WBMiles
    The Attorney General has reportedly stepped in to review the sentencing of Cornish
    artist Graham Ovenden.
    Ovenden was found guilty of six charges of indecency with a child and one allegation of
    indecent assault relating to three girls following a trial at Truro Crown
    Court.

    The Attorney General will review the suspended sentence given to paedophile Cornish
    artist Graham Ovenden.
    The Attorney General told the BBC this afternoon he would be reviewing whether the
    12-month suspended jail term imposed by Judge Graham Cottle was “unduly
    lenient”.

    After yesterday’s sentencing at Plymouth Crown Court Ovenden, from Barley Splatt on Bodmin Moor, told reporters: “I am quite gobsmacked and I have to thank Judge Cottle for his judgment this time.”

    Ovenden, whose work has been exhibited at major galleries including The Tate in London,
    invited girls as young as six to sit for portraits and photographs.

    During Ovenden’s trial at Truro Crown Court, Ramsay Quaife, prosecuting, told jurors:
    “What we (the Crown Prosecution Service) say is that Mr Ovenden is a paedophile, that he is a sexual abuser of children. In this case we say the target of his abuse was young girls.

    “All four of the claimants are now adult women. Their allegations go back some years, but at the time they were all girls.”

    The jury convicted him on six counts but acquitted him of two indecent assaults. They found Ovenden not guilty of three charges of indecent assault on the direction of Judge Cottle.

    The artist, whose work has now been removed by The Tate from its online collection, quoted biblical and literary works from the witness box to explain his use of naked children as part of his “state of grace” body of work.

    He also said there was a “witch-hunt” that plagued the art world from those who disagreed with the naked child form.

    Read more: http://www.westbriton.co.uk/Attorney-General-review-sentencing-paedophile/story-19193447-detail/story.html#ixzz2VMIcwIQ4

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    Post by bobbin on 05.06.13 17:57

    There is a comedian/musician called Tim Minchin, who is on youtube singing the pope song.
    Warning, the language is strong, deliberately, very strong, so don't go there if you don't wish to be challenged.
    However, it is encouraging to witness the strength of feeling (and intellect) that is out there as a voice of the public.
    We are NOT the minority. His audience and following is very large. NOT EVERYONE is accepting of the crime of paedophilia as forgive-able, if it is dressed up in religious or art form.
    not .....yet

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    Post by Guest on 06.06.13 9:18

    @bobbin wrote:There is a comedian/musician called Tim Minchin, who is on youtube singing the pope song.
    Warning, the language is strong, deliberately, very strong, so don't go there if you don't wish to be challenged.
    However, it is encouraging to witness the strength of feeling (and intellect) that is out there as a voice of the public.
    We are NOT the minority. His audience and following is very large. NOT EVERYONE is accepting of the crime of paedophilia as forgive-able, if it is dressed up in religious or art form.
    not .....yet

    Thanks bobbin, I've not heard of Tim Minchen before, I didn't find it offensive The words he uses needed to be used to get his point across whether it offends or pleases, and your right we are not in the minority, I hope the public voice keeps being heard. The crime of paedophilia is never forgive-able nor are those who cover up for these vile people.

    Here is the Judge, now I wonder which bus he is on.



    Judge Graham Cottle - Exeter Crown Court


    Here is Judge Graham Cottle. He is a judge who seems to think that the abuse of children is not a serious enough crime to warrant a custodial sentence. He fails to understand the long lasting impact these evil offences have on the young and vulnerable child survivors. The sentences are quite simply a insult to the victims involved.


    Judge Graham Cottle you are hereby NAMED AND SHAMED





    Below are some examples and quotes of some of his more questionable judgements


    2003 - A PAEDOPHILE school bus driver who assaulted three young girls avoided jail yesterday. Paul Bartlettwas on the school run despite having under-age sex with a 14-year-old and being on the sex offenders’ register. He then targeted the three girls aged 11 and 12. But judge Graham Cottle refused to jail Bartlett after a jury in Exeter found him guilty of indecent assault. He said Bartlett, 36, of Paignton, Devon, should undergo a sex offenders’ programme instead.


    July 2008 - William Hart, 22, had sex with the 14 yr old girl on two occasions after meeting her at a party and swapping mobile phone text messages and emails through the MySpace social networking site and still walks free from court. Judge Cottle gave Hart, of St David’s Hill, a nine-month jail sentence, suspended for two years


    July 2011 - AN internet paedophile caught by detectives in a sting operation in Exeter has walked free from court. Robert Powell, 57, travelled from his home in Liverpool to Exeter St David’s railway station in February expecting to meet a 13-year-old girl called Suzie.


    But instead he was intercepted by officers from (CEOP) who had posed online as the fictitious teenager. Powell was arrested and later admitted five sexual offences including trying to “groom” a girl online and possessing more than 100 images of children of varying levels of severity, from level one to four.


    Judge Graham Cottle said it would be “much more constructive” for Powell to undergo treatment than spend time in jail.


    March 2012 - Suspended sentence for sexual assault on underage girl


    Robert Lemin admitted the sexual assault of a 15-year-old girl. Jailed for 12 months, suspended for two years. A two-year supervision requirement.


    May 2009 – Dangerous Pervert who abused 5 yr old girl escapes jail


    A MAN who abused a five-year-old Exeter girl is now living under self-imposed house arrest because of the shame of his crime. Hudson, 57, was sentenced to 18 months in jail, suspended for two years by Judge Cottle. He had been convicted of indecently abusing the girl in Exeter in the 1990s and a similar offence against a 12-year-old youngster in another part of the country in the 1980s


    May 2009 - Flasher under curfew


    A PERSISTENT flasher will be electronically tagged and banned from going outdoors when school children are about. Howard Baker, 65, was given the three-month curfew at Exeter Crown Court, after being convicted of flashing at young girls across from the fence of their EXETER city school. Judge Cottle said that it was not possible to impose a jail sentence as Baker had already spent a year in custody, which is more than he would have served for the actual offence


    August 2011 - ‘The Beast of Sligo’ free to roam the streets despite being jailed for 238 years?


    [b]Joseph McColgan, was jailed for a record 238 years for raping his own children. The Irishman, dubbed the Beast of Sligo, served just nine years before his early release in 2004. Then in June 2010 Judge Cottle gave him 30 months for possessing child pornography before being released early

    http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=12410
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    Post by Guest on 06.06.13 9:40

    This clip from the 1990s about judges' verdicts remains topical.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01ztvq6rYU
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    Post by aquila on 06.06.13 9:51

    This is what happens when no-one in authority is accountable.

    A victim of child abuse speaks out. The police investigate and have enough to bring it to the CPS who consider a prosecution is worthy of going to trial. The case goes to court, the paedophile is found guilty. The judge lets him/her off with a non-custodial sentence with a recommendation for some sort of reform programme or an electronic tag and signing a register.

    The electronic tag means nothing and the reform programme means nothing either. Signing a register lets the police know who to look for next time a victim is brave enough to report a crime and the merry-go-round begins.

    It's pass the parcel.

    Paedophilia is a recidivist crime. It's a crime that causes devastation to young people. If there is no solution then at least lock the person up and get them off the streets.
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    Post by Guest on 06.06.13 10:20

    Imo judge Cottle's judgements show the approach Jim Gamble of CEOP promoted while involved in the McCann case.
    I am not surprised.

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    Post by Guest on 06.06.13 10:32

    No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This clip from the 1990s about judges' verdicts remains topical.

    [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01ztvq6rYU
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01ztvq6rYU[/quote[/url]]

    Good find NFWTD, so nothings changed, Ben Elton is so good at telling the truth and hiding it behind comedy, reminds me of Dave Allen and his religion

    bobbin agree with all your comments, who do Judges answer to is it the MOJ?
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    Post by plebgate on 13.06.13 8:36

    http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/?p=12489

    Article about Ovenden.   Just to let posters know that as usual swearing in article.   Comment 12 interesting.

    Also agree with other comment - why was this filth allowed to be printed and sold?

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    Post by plebgate on 13.06.13 8:45

    Cherry Blossom wrote:
    No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:This clip from the 1990s about judges' verdicts remains topical.

    [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01ztvq6rYU


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01ztvq6rYU[/quote[/url]]

    Good find NFWTD, so nothings changed, Ben Elton is so good at telling the truth and hiding it behind comedy, reminds me of Dave Allen and his religion

    bobbin agree with all your comments, who do Judges answer to is it the MOJ?



    Looks as though they are not answerable to anyone CB going by the disgraceful examples in the youtube clip.

    Well done Ben Elton for telling it how it is.sad1


    Thanks for posting NFWTD.





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    Post by Guest on 03.07.13 11:43

    Email From The Attorney General’s Office
    Thanks to the reader who sent me this email exchange, she was one of a number of people who complained to the Attorney General.
    Well done !!
    Subject: Sentence for Graham Ovenden
    I saw newspaper reports yesterday indicating that Graham Ovenden has been found guilty of child sexual abuse but he has been given a 12 month sentence suspended for 2 years.
    Judge Graham Cottle described his abhorrence and understanding of the perversion of Ovenden’s actions quite clearly:
    QUOTE:
    Sentencing Ovenden, Judge Graham Cottle told him he cloaked his sexual interest by claiming it was an artistic one. Cottle said a “stream” of young girls had arrived at Ovenden’s home, Barley Splatt on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, to be photographed. “The girls had no understanding at that time of the true purpose behind what you were doing, a purpose that was undoubtedly sexual,” the judge said
    END QUOTE.
    A jury found Graham Ovenden guilty. Judge Cottle has set him free.
    How can you answer to the jurists who had to see and hear sickening information about paedophilia – and to the brave and courageous victims who have come forward.
    The sentences given to paedophiles in the UK is becoming more and more lax.
    I ask that you not only review the Graham Ovenden case but you look at the way that Judges are giving convicted paedophiles a lesser sentence than they give to motorists and other offenders.
    Yours sincerely,
    ~~~~
    Thank you for your email regarding the sentence given to Graham Ovenden.
    Having carefully reviewed this case, the Attorney General, Dominic Grieve QC MP, has decided to refer the sentence to the Court of Appeal as a possibly unduly lenient sentence.
    The case will in due course be heard by three Court of Appeal judges who will decide whether or not to increase the sentence.
    Yours sincerely
    Correspondence Unit
    Attorney General’s Office

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    More:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2353636/Internationally-renowned-artist-spared-prison-despite-sexually-abusing-girls-young-jailed-Attorney-General-refers-lenient-sentence-Court-Appeal.html
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