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Press regulation talks 'break down' **UPDATE** Deal now done

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Post by Dr What on 17.03.13 19:55

The only people who did not seek or have not encouraged media attention are the Dowler family.They were victims.Rightly, they sought, and got, redress.
The others are about as appealing as a tub of lard.Many, of course, now have a great need for the Press to be muzzled.Injunctions work in the short term but cost money.Much better that legislation does it for them.
Frankly, I do not want tubs of lard dictating what can and can not be read.

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Post by tigger on 17.03.13 21:31

@aquila wrote:From the Andrew Marr show today. Hugh Grant tells us about Hacked Off. 16mins 24sec


'if people could see Hacked Off, they talk about us being a smooth sinister operation. It's just a few dandruffy professors sitting in a cheap office with a slightly insane chess champion ex lib-dem MP and a couple of threadbare lawyers and me.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01rhgnb/The_Andrew_Marr_Show_17_03_2013/

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

No mention of his mate McCann!
Somebody wrote this little speech for him imo. I never got the wild admiration he got as an actor, he's just played himself every time.


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Post by Guest on 17.03.13 22:56

Great front page from the Sun...........

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.03.13 4:28

@Dr What wrote:The only people who did not seek or have not encouraged media attention are the Dowler family.They were victims.Rightly, they sought, and got, redress.
The others are about as appealing as a tub of lard.Many, of course, now have a great need for the Press to be muzzled.Injunctions work in the short term but cost money.Much better that legislation does it for them.
Frankly, I do not want tubs of lard dictating what can and can not be read.

The dent to the male mccann's reputation must impact him so badly with such lasting effect that he wants revenge on the Press. This is what his campaign is about - his wider agenda.



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Common Purpose - a political 'charity'.

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Post by celtclogs on 18.03.13 7:57

@tigger wrote:This is well worth a read.

[url=http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/common-purpose-caught-nuclear-fallout-after-attack-press-freedom
http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/common-purpose-caught-nuclear-fallout-after-attack-press-freedom[/quote[/url]]

yes very interesting tigger, thanks
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Post by bristow on 18.03.13 8:17

"The organisation of our press has truly been a success. Our law concerning the press is such that divergences of opinion between members of the government are no longer an occasion for public exhibitions, which are not the newspaper's business. We've eliminated that conception of political freedom which holds that everybody has the right to say whatever comes into his head."

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Says it all really!
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Post by tigger on 18.03.13 8:56

@bristow wrote:
"The organisation of our press has truly been a success. Our law concerning the press is such that divergences of opinion between members of the government are no longer an occasion for public exhibitions, which are not the newspaper's business. We've eliminated that conception of political freedom which holds that everybody has the right to say whatever comes into his head."

~ Adolf Hitler

Says it all really!

Should have this on the banner!!

@ Celtclogs: the link on your post looks the same but doesn't get the article and the picture up. This one does:
http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/common-purpose-caught-nuclear-fallout-after-attack-press-freedom

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Post by plebgate on 18.03.13 8:56

It is being reported this morning that Cameron has "caved in" so as to avoid a humiliating defeat in the vote today.

If Cameron had listened to the people and got the people behind him this would not have happened. Hacked off has had 3 months to prepare and divide. Cameron was a fool in the first place to announce that the Dowlers and McCanns had to be happy with the end reporting by leveson.

Cameron has tried to be like his supposed idol Blair. Look what happened to him. For all the money he has since made he is despised.

Cameron will be ousted for sure if he has caved in. A weak man at the helm and his MPs know this will definitely lose the next election. They know it now anyway.

They did not, despite Brown being so unpopular, get an overall majority. Clegg has been alllowed to demand too much. Cameron was afraid to try and govern without them. The man showed signs of weakness from the outset and his "enemies" know it. Gordon Brown's enemies knew it too.

Hacked off might for now win this but I think the public by the time of the next election will imo (unfortunately) flock to UKIP or so many will vote for them that there will be another hung parliament.

What a stinking mess the MPs have made of this country. They are not interested in the people only in power and playing party politics and by God we are all paying for their stupid games.

My only hope is that if Cameron is defeated later on today then it will be his turn for vengance and who knows who might be in the firing line. Have your day HACKED OFF (if you win) but imo you will have made many enemies including the most powerful man in Britain at the moment.

The press have very long memories too and open court cases can and will be reported on.

Cameron said last week "no-one however high and mighty is out of the reach of the justice system and this is how it should be".

Warning shot across the bows? Who knows?

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Post by plebgate on 18.03.13 9:08

Another thought - Might the justice secretary decide the time is right to "advise" judges about Super injunctions?

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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 10:03

A deal has been done, the vote in the Commons will not go ahead...

18 March 2013 Last updated at 09:52








Press regulation deal struck by parties - Labour


A deal has been struck between the
three main political parties on measures to regulate the press, Labour's Harriet
Harman says.


It comes after talks were held overnight between the Lib Dem and Labour
leaders and a senior Tory minister on a new press watchdog.

[snipped]

Ms Miller said: "We're very close to a deal. What has been accepted by all the
main parties is that the prime minister's royal charter should go ahead, and
more importantly we've stopped Labour's extreme version of the press law."

[snipped]

Ms Harman said a planned vote on the issue due to be held in the Commons later
would not go ahead.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21825823
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Post by plebgate on 18.03.13 10:06

http://order-order.com/

Both sides claiming victory this morning apparently.

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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 11:11

Good posts plebgate, agree with your comments, Hacked off will have made many enemies not just the PM but has they are discribed the Press Barons also. I think Gerry McCannn is out of his depth with the wolfs of Westminster and the Media, why can't he speak in his own right instead of being preped to give interviews and answers to what might be asked, imo he'd rather give out disinformation than the truth.

The McCanns are not people in their own right they are always referefed to as the parents, father, mother of Madeliene McCann to me they are and always have traded on their daughters name, Madeliene is the victim not them. I've noticed the word abduction isn't being used anymore in the media it being replaced with missing, vanished.
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Shrill cohorts

Post by Guest on 18.03.13 12:23

The Guardian says it ever so succinctly:

The shrill cohorts of Hugh Grants 'Hacked Off'.

So will they -McC and Cy- please shut up now, just for a while, to achieve some serenity ahead of the full acquittal of dr Amaral in the Cipriano case, and his winning the civil lawsuit in Lisboa?

Much obliged, I'm sure.
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 13:20

Interesting tweet from Guido about 18 hours ago.........



Media Guido‏@MediaGuido

Tomorrow http://www.MediaGuido.com will reveal some of Hacked Off's secretive funders. The celebs, the famous, the rich and the powerful.
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 13:34

Deary me, who do you believe...



norman smith‏@BBCNormanS

PM says "delighted with deal....everyone has accepted my argument for a Royal Charter" #leveson





norman smith‏@BBCNormanS

Tory sources say Labour position and acceptance of Royal Charter is "a million miles" from their original stance on #leveson





norman smith‏@BBCNormanS

Tory MP Crispin Blunt tells me #leveson deal is statutory underpinning of Royal Charter despite what PM says





norman smith‏@BBCNormanS

Tory sources say Nick Clegg left crucial #leveson talks at 11.30pm





norman smith‏@BBCNormanS

Maria Miller @bbcr4today claims Royal Charter deal on #leveson stops "extreme form of press law" that Lab wanted
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Post by Spaniel on 18.03.13 13:40

The original press releases had GM at the very forefront of the campaign, now it's not gone quite the way he hoped, he's nowhere to be seen or heard. In this article they've even dragged back some names we'd forgotten about, no mention of Gerry though.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2295006/How-Hacked-Off-hijacked-truth-tragic-Millys-voicemails.html
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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.03.13 14:25

The BBC has updated its news report at 2.17pm today.

Judging by the following, I suggest Cameron has made a small concession - but has saved the day for those of us who dread Leveson-style state control of the press.

I look forward to Guido Fawkes' revelations about the secret funders of the 'Hacked Off' campaign - and that could be very interesting:

18 March 2013 Last updated at 14:17


Press regulation deal struck by parties

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David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband all claim victory in
Leveson deal


A deal has been struck between the three main political parties on measures to regulate the press in the wake of the phone-hacking scandal.

An independent regulator will be set up by royal charter, but views vary over whether the deal underpins this by law.

Labour leader Ed Miliband and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said this would be the case, but the prime minister denied this.

Press reform campaign group Hacked Off has welcomed the deal.

Prime Minister David Cameron is to apply for an emergency debate in the House of Commons later.

The overhaul of press regulation began after it emerged that journalists had hacked thousands of phones.

Lord Justice Leveson's subsequent inquiry into press ethics called for a new, independent regulator backed by legislation designed to assess whether it is doing its job properly, which prompted months of political wrangling.

The Liberal Democrats and Labour wanted a royal charter backed by legislation, while Mr Cameron supported a royal charter without a law.

“Start Quote If the deal they made holds, there will be endless spin and analysis about who moved and who blinked”

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Robinson
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Early on Monday a deal was struck, under which a clause to the enterprise and regulatory reform bill would be tabled in the Lords.

This would state that a royal charter cannot be changed unless it meets requirements stated within that charter for amendments.

It does not mention any specific charter, Leveson or the press - but the royal charter on press regulation would itself state that it cannot be amended without a two-thirds majority of Parliament.

Both sides have differed in their interpretation of whether this deal involves a new law.

Mr Cameron and the Culture Secretary, Maria Miller, both said there was no statutory underpinning.

"What we wanted to avoid, and we have avoided, is a press law," Mr Cameron said.

"Nowhere will it say what this body is, what it does, what it can't do, what the press can and can't do. That, quite rightly, is being kept out of Parliament. So, no statutory underpinning but a safeguard that says politicians can't in future fiddle with this arrangement."

'Stops meddling'

However, Mr Miliband said the royal charter "would be underpinned by statute".

He said this was important because "it stops ministers or the press meddling with it, or watering it down in the future."






Brian Cathcart, Hacked Off: "An artfully crafted piece of legislation"


Details of the royal charter have not been published yet, but from two separate drafts - one published by the government and one jointly published by the Lib Dems and Labour - the regulator is likely to be able to force a newspaper to issue corrections and apologies, and could also have the power to impose fines.

It would not give the press a veto over appointments to a new regulator, the prime minister's spokesman said.

Describing the regulator as having teeth to punish, Mr Miliband said: "A free press has nothing to fear from what has been agreed".

Mr Clegg said he had worked "flat out" to get the deal, and was "delighted" with the cross-party agreement.

"We've secured the cherished principle of freedom of the press, which is incredibly important in our democracy, but also given innocent people the reassurance that we won't be unjustifiably bullied or intimidated by powerful interests in the press without having proper recourse when that happens."

Reacting to news of a political deal, one newspaper industry source told the BBC they were "instinctively uncomfortable" with it.

The source noted that there was no compulsion for the papers to be involved in the new system - they could carry on setting up a new regulator to replace the much-criticised Press Complaints Commission but decide that the regulator should not apply for official recognition.

BBC political editor Nick Robinson said the press had been informed over the days and months of wrangling, with key players being Telegraph's Lord Black, Associated Newspapers' Peter Wright, the editor of the Times John Witherow and the editor of the FT Lionel Barber.

'Sad day'

Evan Harris of campaign group Hacked Off was at the overnight talks, with three other members. The group later said they believed the deal "can effectively deliver" Lord Justice Leveson's recommendations.

It said a free arbitration service would be offered to people who feel they have been the victims of press abuse.

The charter was not welcomed by all. Free speech campaign group Index on Censorship chief executive Kirsty Hughes said the decision was a "sad day for press freedom in the UK".

She said: "Index is against the introduction of a royal charter that determines the details of establishing a press regulator in the UK - the involvement of politicians undermines the fundamental principle that the press holds politicians to account."

ETA: Thanks to all who have signed the anti-Leveson petition in recent days: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/42582
Another 40 have signed it in the last three days, with only 10 signing the pro-Leveson one in the same period.
Please sign it if you've not already done so, by visiting the above link.

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Post by tiny on 18.03.13 14:33

candyfloss wrote:Interesting tweet from Guido about 18 hours ago.........



Media Guido‏@MediaGuido

Tomorrow http://www.MediaGuido.com will reveal some of Hacked Off's secretive funders. The celebs, the famous, the rich and the powerful.

some names on there now
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 15:58

Media Guido‏@MediaGuido
One more Hacked Off donor to come. A secretive billionaire Gatsby-like figure who tries to influence British politics on a massive scale.
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 16:00

Sarah Wollaston MP‏@drwollastonmp
@tnewtondunn why does this all require the blessing of hacked off celebrities?





Sarah Wollaston MP‏@drwollastonmp

It's all very well for the Party leaders to agree to a truce on #leveson but press freedom deserves a free vote
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 16:02

Tim Shipman‏@ShippersUnbound
So Hacked Off won't comment on their donors. Pathetic





(Deputy Political Editor of Daily Mail)
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 16:07

Gerri Peev‏@GerriPeev
Am puzzled as to why Hacked Off will not answer any questions on celebrity donors or confirm that they will publish a full list #PeevedOff
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Post by Guest on 18.03.13 16:35

Does this Hacked off contributor Frieda the hairdresser guy do free highlights?

Kate?

No seriously.

With Leveson dead & buried, DC now has his hands free to decide the outcome of the review if - during some of those cozy chats at Nr 10- it hasn't already been decided, that is.

DC in bed with Rupert Murdoch, what a sight for sore eyes. Not one but two heavy axes to grind. Gerry, you still there?

I'm wondering if the Skyfall of the McCs in 2013 will have as much news value as their Ascension in 2007.

Wanna bet? Heads I say the review now ends within weeks if not days? Tails anyone?
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