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Post by bristow on 12.03.13 1:10

Little girl was routinely given Medised at night from the age of two
Toddler also took the sedative Diazepam, Gloucester Crown Court told
'Plainly selfish' mother and father given suspended sentences

Their offences were not malicious but they were quite plainly selfish to spare themselves the tribulations of parenthood, the judge said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2291463/Drug-addict-parents-sedated-toddler-night-catch-sleep.html
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Post by Miraflores on 12.03.13 1:24

Best comment so far out of the ones I have had chance to read:

I work in a pharmacy and can tell you this is EXACTLY why Medised and
CalCold have been withdrawn from the market. Parents have been drugging
their little ones for a long time but it has taken a string of deaths in
babies (yes, babies were being given this medication) and toddlers for
it finally to be taken off the shelves. And let me tell you something
else...it's not just deadbeat, druggie parents who were abusing their
little ones...plenty of middle-class, up-market mummies were buying the
stuff in abundance. They would all be at one of their mummy/baby groups
discussing how to "make" their babies sleep through the night (one of
the mums actually told me and my colleague this)
. My blood used to boil
with rage at these selfish people. Imagine willingly drugging your
toddler! The mind boggles! We still get people asking for the stuff.
People, if you can't be bothered to willingly put up with some sleepless
nights then don't bother having kids. They are innocent and deserve
better.

- Buckeye_76, London, 11/3/2013 20:52

Highlighting is mine. Is any more comment necessary?
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Post by Nina on 12.03.13 9:40

Thank you Bristow and Miraflores for this info. Well this and what I heard on the tv last night about Paul Gasgoine being addicted to Calpol says a lot for me. And the yummy mummy's discussing it at their little get togethers of how to get poor children to sleep the night through. Do this lot not realize that when a baby cries it is for a reason and it needs some attention for cold/wet/soiled/pain, etc etc. Same people would quite possibly drug an elderly relative, all just because they upset their shallow selfish lives.
You might gather that I am very very angry.

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Post by aquila on 12.03.13 9:54

There is also a wide range of antihistamines which can be bought over the counter that have a sedation effect.

Another drug is Phenergan, available only on prescription I believe and the link is well worth a read. I wonder how many doctors in UK prescribe this nowadays.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/allergy-and-asthma/medicines/phenergan.html
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Post by Miraflores on 12.03.13 11:05

Didn't Gerry have the drug Triludan in his possession? It was a hay fever drug. I know because I was prescribed it once, (but it didn't work.) This was also withdrawn I think.
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Post by bobbin on 12.03.13 12:04

@Miraflores wrote:Didn't Gerry have the drug Triludan in his possession? It was a hay fever drug. I know because I was prescribed it once, (but it didn't work.) This was also withdrawn I think.

I've just spent the last 2 hours looking at Medised and then Triludan. Got masses of info together but need to tidy it up.
Effectively Triludan was withdrawn from the market in 1998 - 2000 because of its known side effects of causing heart failure and death, even from one single dose of some 360 mgs some 15 hours after the event.
So why and how did Gerry have Triludan in the apartment in 2007.
Questions where I need help.
1. Which drug company did John McCann work for when he took time off to 'help find Madeleine' for at least a year.
2. Which company did he then go back to work for, and
3. Which drug company does he now work for because I think he moved to another very soon after re-uptake of work.
4. What were the drugs called, the ones photographed by a bedside table, I think in the new villa that the McCs moved to, which were apparently Kate's father's, issued by a pharmacy called McCann.

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Post by PeterMac on 12.03.13 12:16

According to the statement it was Terfenadine, which is another name for Triludan.
http://www.gpnotebook.com/simplepage.cfm?ID=-1603600346

Notes:
terfenadine is only available in the UK on a named-patient basis through specialist importers. There are no longer any licensed preparations containing terfenadine available in the UK (November 2005)

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.03.13 12:39

Terfenadine is an antihistamine use for allergic condition. Why did the Mccanns bring along out-of-circulation drug on holiday?
Even if it was for a family member, being doctors surely you would think they would have advised the family member to change prescription, knowing the side effect of Terfenadine can be fatal? So more question to answer.

A small dosage of any wrong medicine is enough to kill a child, or even an adult if they suffer allergy reaction to it.

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Post by sallypelt on 12.03.13 12:55

Side Effects




COMMON: Headache, mild stomach upset, light colored stools, stomach pain, nervousness, nausea, diarrhea, abdominal discomfort, yellowing of eyes or skin, dry mouth, dry skin or itchiness.

SEVERE:

  • Severe allergic reactions: Difficulty breathing; closing of throat; swelling of lips, tongue, or face; hives.
  • Fainting.
  • Irregular heartbeat.
  • Dizziness This is not a complete list of all side effects of Terfenadine that may occur.

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Post by bobbin on 12.03.13 13:10

@aiyoyo wrote:Terfenadine is an antihistamine use for allergic condition. Why did the Mccanns bring along out-of-circulation drug on holiday?
Even if it was for a family member, being doctors surely you would think they would have advised the family member to change prescription, knowing the side effect of Terfenadine can be fatal? So more question to answer.

A small dosage of any wrong medicine is enough to kill a child, or even adult if there is an allergy reaction to it.

exactly, especially if any grapefruit is consumed. Part of the 'bergamottin' family, grapefruit suppresses a liver enzyme called CYP3A4. This enzyme is 'used up' by many drugs when they make the first pass through the liver, and in which time the drug potency is reduced. For this reason, drug manufacturers increase the dosage in the tablets, knowing that part of the drug potency will be destroyed, so that it will reach an ultimate desired level.
If the grapefruit has suppressed the activity of CYP3A4, then less drug is damaged, therefore there is much more drug in circulation.
One helping of grapefruit, juice, etc. can reduce CYP3A4 activity for up to 10 days. During this time, drugs such as Triludan and also all of the 'Statin' drugs, are increasing 'relatively' in potency to what the drug company had in mind as final dosage values.
Regarding the Statins, the 'cholesterol reducers'; since cholesterol is the base from which CoEnzymeQ10 is made, (a natural stimulant, energy source and activator of heart muscle), it is not difficult to see how a man-made drug along with some normally consumed part of a natural and good diet, can have catastrophic results.
Vioxx manufacturers have had to pay out millions of dollars in legal suits, for the thousands of deaths caused by its statin drug, Vioxx, which had to be withdrawn because it was causing heart failure to occur, rather than its marketing claim, to protect against heart attacks.
The manufacturers also knew of this information many years previously to their being forced to withdraw their statins and not only did they hide the info but they converted the negative data of 'deaths by heart attack' to being 'protectors from heart attacks'.
It's all documented on the net. Some statins now supposedly contain CoQ10 to try to make the difference up, but how does a doctor know how often a patient will eat any grapefruit or how long it will suppress activity of CYP3A4 and to what extent.
I steer clear of all drugs simply because there is no one who can say categorically what will inter-react with what, at what level and for what length of time.
Since eating grapefruit and an over the counter drug can cause death, I know where I'm pinning my cards.
From my reading of Medised (which contained paracetamol) and Triludan (now known to suppress CYP3A4), it is obvious that the liver is involved.
Paracetamol, some 5 adult tablets for a child can cause death. The paracetamol starts a chain reaction off which causes a cascade of hepatocyte (liver cell) death. It takes a short while, but unless medical treatment of N Acety-glucosamine is introduced very rapidly indeed, i.e. within a day, death will follow.
The problem here is that the cascading liver cell damage is not immediately apparent to anyone experiencing or looking after someone with this going on.
Drugs are just not the benign and pretty things we are lead to believe.
Of the material I have looked at this morning, it is evident that a serious number of parents are quite clearly using medicines to put their children to sleep, and reportedly children died from such, although I cannot find statistics for this.
I'll put the material up, or highlight the websites if anyone wants it, or I'll P.M. it, since it's too much material to put on the thread.

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Post by Nina on 12.03.13 13:29

Thank you for all this info re drugs and just how easy it would be for an overdose to be given to a child or taken by a left alone child.

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Post by Guest on 12.03.13 13:36

Bobbin: here's a link to John McCann's work record according to his LinkedIn profile.

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/john-mccann/11/589/304
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Post by bristow on 12.03.13 13:43

@aiyoyo wrote:
A small dosage of any wrong medicine is enough to kill a child, or even an adult if they suffer allergy reaction to it.

I am severely allergic to antihistamine, if I have been in hospital I have to note it and wear a red band round my wrist.

I found this out when I lived in Greece for a year when someone gave me antihistamine for a bad case of mosquito bites, I collapsed as my heart went out of control, racing and out of rhythm (I was only 24 at the time) I had to be injected with some sort of valium to control it, the doctor thought I would die.

Just shows how an apparently harmless, bought over the counter drug can be seriously dangerous to some.
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Post by Miraflores on 12.03.13 13:47

Useful info bobbin. As I said, I was prescribed Triludan, but there was never a word about side effects or contra-indications. It didn't work any way and I seem to no longer suffer from hay fever, so it's not a problem anymore.

I am convinced that sedative drugs are involved in the McCann case - witness Gerry's waffling when he was asked a direct question about this.
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Post by bobbin on 12.03.13 13:56

Jean wrote:Bobbin: here's a link to John McCann's work record according to his LinkedIn profile.

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/john-mccann/11/589/304
Thanks Jean, I have looked at it. He was with Eli Lilly, then Bayer, then AstraZeneca 2002-2011, now with Bayer again as Key Account Manager.
Here's what a KAM should be able to do according to the site below advertising its courses I assume.
http://www.salesisnotsimple.com/kam-info/job-description

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Post by bristow on 12.03.13 13:57

another comment from the article~

"Of course, if you're a high-profile couple with very good political connections you can do far worse than this and end up making millions from it. But then, I guess no one is allowed to talk about them."

- FrankFisher, macclesfield, United Kingdom, 12/3/2013 8:19"
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Post by Nina on 12.03.13 14:35

Jean wrote:Bobbin: here's a link to John McCann's work record according to his LinkedIn profile.

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/john-mccann/11/589/304

Thank you Jean.......copied from the link.......

integrated healthcare specialist
AstraZeneca
2002 – May 2011 (9 years)
Initially as GP rep then as IHS(Integrated Healthcare Specialist)in CV/diabetes products

A GP rep eh, plenty of samples then, not saying, just saying.

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Post by plebgate on 12.03.13 16:24

Suspended sentences. Typical.
They should be locked up and the key thrown away as far as I am concerned.
When is somebody going to grab Britain by the scruff of the neck and try and stop the rot?

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Post by Guest on 13.03.13 8:45

Going back to his work experience, it's noteworthy that he says there was no gap between May 2007 and May 2011 while he was with AstraZeneca.

It was widely published that he left his job to "run the fund" but it wasn't clear if that was a permanent departure or a career break.

For the sake of transparency and honesty (he wouldn't want to let his family's good name down, would he?) his record should state exactly where he was from 2007 to 2010 when he resigned from the board of the Fund.
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