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Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by Beanie on 08.03.13 9:38

Jean wrote:I'll add the children of the rest of the Tapas mob, Beanie, including the one born later to the Oldfields. They are the only truly blameless people in this unsavoury saga.

Yes Jean you are so right.

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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by aiyoyo on 08.03.13 10:28

@sami wrote:
@Portia wrote:
@tigger wrote:This is to add to the comments on page 3:
(from MM last year by The Slave)
I found this little gem hidden away in Private Eye January 2010......

''Scientists urge reform of 'lethal'libel laws''.thundered the headline over a Times report on how the libel law was endangering public health by stopping peer-reviewed research appearing in medical journals.
It quoted Dr.Fiona Godlee, editor of the British Medical Journal, describing how one of BMJ's satellite magazines, Archives of Disease in Childhood, had turned down a paper describing clinical signs associated with child abuse.''These cases were all from the U.K., and the information should have been readily available to doctors inthe U.K.'' she said. ''Science and medical discussion must be open and critical''.
But what was the paper that Dr.Godlee feared might bring her colleaguesthe unwelcome attention of Carter Fuck and Mr.Justice Eady? Perhaps fearing a writ of it's own, the 'Thunderer coyly refused to say. The Eye can reveal that in 2007 Professor Neil McIntosh from the Department of Child Life and Health at the University of Edinburgh, and his associates submitted an exhaustive review of 58,059 infants admitted to Scottish A&E departments.
They were looking for examples of nosebleeds and coughing up blood,and suggested they were so rare among children under two that they could be signs of child abuse. They recommended that in future a paediatrician should check out children with nosebleeds, but were careful to add: ''No children described in this report suffered injury from definite abuse that was sufficiently worrying to trigger child protection proceedings at the time of the injury''.
Though no individual was named or accused, the lawyers went into a tizzy fearing that parents could sue the journal claiming the doctors were indirectly suggesting they may be abusers. That was enough of a chilling effect for the Archives of Disease in Childhood lawyers to stop publication.
Although it turned the paper down, 'Pediatrics' decided that Professor McIntosh and his team had produced important work and published it. 'Pediatrics ' is an American journal. Thus American doctors can read the results of a study of British children in British hospitals that British publishers dare not run.'''
'Ratbiter'.


Nosebleeds?




Ok nose bleeds, they can and do happen. Since when do they omit cadaver odour though ?.? Or was it a sea bass with a nose bleed.

Maddie tendency to nose bleed in the past has nothing to do with the circumstances, since if she'd bled during the holiday surely a pair of doctors couldnt have failed to notice it or attend to it.
Gerry did not state definitely she suffered a nose bleed in the apt, as in on which date and day, he was only explaining away the possible reason for the blood find. Different thing altogether - one is a definite occurence while the other one an excuse to explain the blood. Odd that he felt the need to explain away the blood. An innocent person would be alarmed at the find and want to know how it got there.

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Getting on with the Job

Post by iluvpelageya on 08.03.13 11:10

Regarding people of influence. I want to show you something. Take a look at this video, which features the McC's friend Gordon Brown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBi5lWMaBmk

'to get on with the job' is Gordon Brown's homephrase (for want of a better term) when he is dealing with journalists. He takes command of the discussion and heads for his homephrase. He has obviously been coached to do this.

Now, replace "to get on with the job" with "to look for Madeleine", and you will notice that in nearly every interview, one of the McCs - usually Gerry - says this or something similar.

One could be forgiven for thinking that the McCs have been coached, possibly by the same people who coached Gordon Brown.

At the moment, New Labour are out of power. I don't think the McCs will have the same influence with the current regime, especially since that PotNoodlehead forced their hands to set up an inquiry by threatening to show the Picture of Dorian Gray on the front page every day.

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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by plebgate on 08.03.13 13:25

Snipped from Iluvepelageya's post:

"One could be forgiven for thinking that the McCs have been coached, possibly by the same people who coached Gordon Brown."


Yes I remember we discussed this on 3A's at the time. It was when Mr. had gone back to Portugal and had stayed in a 5 star hotel and I think it transpired that he had attended a meeting with solicitors and maybe somebody to do with football. Can't quite remember.

Anyway we noted when he was giving an interview then that his hand gestures were more or less the same as G. Browns and a few other things also. The only thing we thought gave away his nervousness was that his adams apple was bobbing up and down like crazy - can't control all of your actions all of the time.

Re. the nosebleeds which Maddie would have "frequently". Yet another reason Maddie should not have been left on her own when they wining and dining on the Thursday or any other night. hmmm. Excessive tiredness plus known to have nose bleeds. Any responsible parent would not leave a child unattended for half an hour or so and perhaps longer knowing this.

Why on earth they have not been interviewed again about these admissions is beyond me. I know it's been said before but if you or I had amitted such things I truly believe that we would be locked up by now. I believe this must be parent neglect and openly admitting it with nothing being done about it is shocking imo.

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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by margaret on 08.03.13 19:32

@tigger wrote:It was from a question on this:
Gerry being heard as an arguido on september 7th 2007:

Blood was mentioned. The defence lawyer reacting to this, i.e. Gerry's lawyer, tried to explain it away. To no avail:

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for
Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he
does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Bleeding occurred: before May 3rd.
Press comments: after May 3rd.

How could Gerry's observing his daughters bleeding BEFORE may 3rd have been compromised by the media attention AFTER May 3rd??

Unquote (from forensic linguistics)

Somebody posted the PE article with it - I posted it here because another post mentioned the scientific community also protest against the libel law. This is a good example imo.

Sorry I'm completely OT!

Easy. He wasn't going to admit a nosebleed until he was absolutely sure whether there WAS blood recovered. He hoped the papers and PJ were lying and was bluffing and blustering his way out of it.
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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by tigger on 08.03.13 19:49

@margaret wrote:
@tigger wrote:It was from a question on this:
Gerry being heard as an arguido on september 7th 2007:

Blood was mentioned. The defence lawyer reacting to this, i.e. Gerry's lawyer, tried to explain it away. To no avail:

The defence lawyer said that he wishes the arguido to be asked again if Madeleine bled. To which he said it was common for
Madeleine to have nosebleeds. He says that he doesn’t know if in fact his daughter bled while on holiday in Portugal, because he
does not want to be influenced by the news in the Press, regarding the detection of human blood in the apartment where his daughter disappeared.

Bleeding occurred: before May 3rd.
Press comments: after May 3rd.


How could Gerry's observing his daughters bleeding BEFORE may 3rd have been compromised by the media attention AFTER May 3rd??

Unquote (from forensic linguistics)

Somebody posted the PE article with it - I posted it here because another post mentioned the scientific community also protest against the libel law. This is a good example imo.

Sorry I'm completely OT!

Easy. He wasn't going to admit a nosebleed until he was absolutely sure whether there WAS blood recovered. He hoped the papers and PJ were lying and was bluffing and blustering his way out of it.

But he'd be quite safe by saying he recalls a nosebleed earlier in the week, or Kate telling him about it. Anything found then would have been the nosebleed. If blood is found, it's the nosebleed. If no blood is found, as you recall it wasn't a very bad nosebleed. Just a few spots. Off the hook.
Imo he made a mistake there and it's pointing at a very sensitive word: blood. He's good at planning but not at thinking on his feet.


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Re: Blacksmith 5th march 2013 - and conclude

Post by loopzdaloop on 09.03.13 22:31

@plebgate wrote:Snipped from Iluvepelageya's post:

"One could be forgiven for thinking that the McCs have been coached, possibly by the same people who coached Gordon Brown."


Yes I remember we discussed this on 3A's at the time. It was when Mr. had gone back to Portugal and had stayed in a 5 star hotel and I think it transpired that he had attended a meeting with solicitors and maybe somebody to do with football. Can't quite remember.

Anyway we noted when he was giving an interview then that his hand gestures were more or less the same as G. Browns and a few other things also. The only thing we thought gave away his nervousness was that his adams apple was bobbing up and down like crazy - can't control all of your actions all of the time.

Re. the nosebleeds which Maddie would have "frequently". Yet another reason Maddie should not have been left on her own when they wining and dining on the Thursday or any other night. hmmm. Excessive tiredness plus known to have nose bleeds. Any responsible parent would not leave a child unattended for half an hour or so and perhaps longer knowing this.

Why on earth they have not been interviewed again about these admissions is beyond me. I know it's been said before but if you or I had amitted such things I truly believe that we would be locked up by now. I believe this must be parent neglect and openly admitting it with nothing being done about it is shocking imo.

Alex Woolfall is the direct link between the Mccanns and Gordon Brown.
Gerry Knows Gordon Brown Through Alex Woolfall so any similar gesture or expressions used would very much make sense.

Interestingly, Bell Pottinger had close links with David Cameron which is where Woolfall went to work afterwards.

1. Alex Woolfall --> http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t9023-alex-woolfall-remember-his-name-he-s-the-missing-link-between-the-mccanns-and-labour?highlight=alex+woolfall

2. Bell Pottinger & David Cameron. http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t18075-bell-pottinger-boasts-of-easy-access-to-cameron-all-sorts-of-dark-arts-a-nice-undercover-sting?highlight=bell+pottinger+cmaeron

3.Alex Woolfall Profile @ the Mccann files http://www.mccannfiles.com/id65.html
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Post by plebgate on 09.03.13 22:41

Thanks for that Loopzdaloop.

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