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If there is ONE last photo.........................

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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by bobbin on 27.02.13 22:55

Inspectorfrost wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Jean wrote:http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22928p75-the-last-photo-again#34719

With acknowledgement to the MM forum and poster SashaM, there is an explanation as to how the same photo can look different.
thank you Jean for bringing this across. I didn't know how to.
Now it's important to date the photo by the state of flowering of the bougainvillea. Inspectorfrost has stated that it comes out end of April, full bloom in May, without considering the weather conditions and that this plant is particularly sensitive to cold/ hot weather conditions for the leaves to bloom.
I'm off to find a photo elsewhere for 3rd May 2007.
Good luck Bobbin

There is no way on this earth anyone can assert as a fact that bouganvillias dont flower till june my its getting rather silly
is it worrying you for some reason?

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 27.02.13 23:18

agreed
bobbin wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Jean wrote:http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22928p75-the-last-photo-again#34719

With acknowledgement to the MM forum and poster SashaM, there is an explanation as to how the same photo can look different.
thank you Jean for bringing this across. I didn't know how to.
Now it's important to date the photo by the state of flowering of the bougainvillea. Inspectorfrost has stated that it comes out end of April, full bloom in May, without considering the weather conditions and that this plant is particularly sensitive to cold/ hot weather conditions for the leaves to bloom.
I'm off to find a photo elsewhere for 3rd May 2007.
Good luck Bobbin

There is no way on this earth anyone can assert as a fact that bouganvillias dont flower till june my its getting rather silly
is it worrying you for some reason?

Just to say the icon was a clicked on by mistake,no bobbin not worried about anything you post or others, just stating my opinion and trying mybest to sort wheat from chaffe if thats ok, the more crap we can get rid off there is more of the core is there to find

is it WORRYING ME??? For some reason?NO it isnt what worries me is a bunch of baloney posted here as fact

Why would it? I posted a fact, why would it worryme? I am trying to sort the wheaf from the chaff in this case, but getting grief big grin


I dont have much of a threshold for BS is that OK ?

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Post by Miraflores on 28.02.13 7:50

There is no way on this earth anyone can assert as a fact that bouganvillias dont flower till june my its getting rather silly
And, of course, plants can be forward in one area with favourable conditions and behind in more exposed spots,
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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by tigger on 28.02.13 8:05

bobbin wrote:
Inspectorfrost wrote:Their friends went to Greece in 2006, the Mccanns didn't, can't remember the reason, its in someones statement or someones interview in the media

Im of the opinion there is nothing to suggest photoshopping of the last picture from all I have read here and elsewhere

Oh btw bouganvillia blossom by end april in Portugal and in full bloom in may


THe Mccanns are suspect though for not releasing the last photo tillthree weeks later,definitely

Good Night all

only if it has been hot enough. 2007 was cold and wet in this time.

From the book:
Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I’d bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie-anglaise shorts from Monsoon – a small extravagance, perhaps, but I’d pictured how lovely she would look in them and I’d been right. She was striding ahead of Fiona and me, swinging her bare arms to and fro. The weather was a little on the cool side and I remember thinking I should have brought a cardigan for her, although she seemed oblivious of the temperature, just happy and carefree. I was following her with my eyes, admiring her. I wonder now, the nausea rising in my throat, if someone else was doing the same.unquote

Why should Kate be thinking 'the same' as the putative paedophile? That's implied in the wording.
However lovely a toddler looks, 'admire' isn't the verb I'd use.
Most of all, some 'images' - it seems she is thinking of a photograph again. But she gets the colour wrong. So was she thinking of a black and white photograph, taken some considerable time before 3/5? The weather looks anything but on 'the cool side.'


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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by Lostfridge on 28.02.13 8:57

[quote="Lostfridge"]
sharonl wrote:'lostfridge' wrote this:

"oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle..."


I think 'lostfridge' has made a very valid point.

Here is my thinking on the 'middle photo' (with the cross in the background) and the 'last photo' (on the right).

Firstly, they are clearly not the same picture. The differences I can see include:

* hat shape slightly different
* folds of the dress slightly different
* position of hairbead in relation to the hat slightly different (a bit nearer the hat I think on the 'middle photo')
* slightly different angle of shot (as 'lostfridge' suggests).

But overwhelmingly more important are the similarities, namely:

* same dress, albeit slightly different shadows and folds
* hairbead in exactly the same position on Madeleine's hair
* position of head on her shoulders almost identical
* position of left arm and shoulder identical - same amount of 'shine' on the top of her left shoulder
* similar facial expression
* length and shape of shadow on Madeleine's neck the same - sun must have been very high in the sky.

So I would suggest this.

The two photos were taken on the same occasion, maybe just a couple of seconds apart. This is common with digital photos - you see someone you love in a photogenic situation and you take two, maybe three, four or five shots in quick succession. Like wedding photographers do - to get the best expression.

So, I am in agreement with 'lostfridge' so far.

The next question is: if they were taken just a few seconds apart, what occasion was that?

In considering this, I take into account the exaggerated references made by Kate to the hair bead: "I carefully removed her hair bead". Was this an attempt to prove that this 'last photo' was taken on 3 May 2007 at 2.29pm?

Next I consider that it took three weeks and a visit by Gerry to England in order to produce this 'last photo'. That tells me that it was not readily available in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007.

Then I look at the complete absence of other photos of Madeleine on that holiday, apart from the tennis balls photo.

Finally I reflect on the obvious height of the sun - it looks near enough vertical, just as it would be, say, near the midde of the day in June or July.

For all the above reasons I would like to put forward the suggestion that these two photos were taken within, say, 2-3 seconds of each other, and perhaps from a slightly different angle, in the summer of 2006.

And it is possible, since Edward Smethurst is known to have taken his summer holidays in Praia da Luz every year since 1999, that he might have been there at the same time.

Thank you for the reasoned response, which is more than can be said for some people no

I have young children, I often take more than one shot and the differences can be minimal. Sometimes I will keep all the shots, sometimes I may delete them.

In this instance I believe the shot taken which is in the frame on the desk, shows a shot just before the 'last photo` shot. Her head has not turned full to the 'last photo' stage and much of her hair is still restingon her right shoulder, as she turns her head a touch more to her left into the 'last photo' pose, the hair comes over her right shoulder and falls free to the right side of her face.

Please also consider that these photos may be stills taken from a good quality Video camera (MiniDV or even one of the first compact DVD disc camcorders), which given that we know they owned a video camera is very possible and very probable you would take it on holiday with you. If the Mccanns had something to hide regarding the holiday and staged anything, they would not very likely admit to having a video camera with them on that holiday , they would destroy the camera but might keep hold of the video tape/dvd and memory card (don't forget high end camcorders even back in 2007 often had a separate memory card which would store still shots very much like a normal digital camera)
The visits back to UK may of been to simply view the footage/ photos in privacy and select the best shots for distribution and printing.
I do not personally think any photos have been altered other than perhaps the times / days we where told they where taken. I have seen no evidence that convinces me otherwise. Despite what theory I may believe or what I think of the Mccanns, I do not think every single thing they ever did was a lie and laced with subterfuge! certainly I think it was a very normal family holiday with friends up until a certain point.
With regards to lack of photos I simply believe there are plenty more photos, they have just not been released either by the police or by the mccanns as they either bare no relevance to the case or they are private and the Mccanns wish not to release them.
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Post by Leafylane on 28.02.13 9:07

Miraflores wrote:
Leafylane wrote:If Madeleine had been in PdeL the previous year, surely it would show in her Passport and in Mark Warner's records?

The passport question has already been answered.
Would it show in Mark Warner's records? Why assume they stayed at Mark Warner?



Why not?

But even if they didn't then unless they flew in just for that afternoon, they would have been staying somewhere for a week or more - walking around, eating out, shopping, talking to people etc. etc. I'm sure with their faces being in newspapers/media all over the world just a few months later that someone would have recognised them as the family they met/saw/spoke to the previous year in Portugal - or sat next to on the plane.

The McCanns have said they had never been to PdL before and KM had never been in Portugal before. Why tell a huge lie about something which could so easily be disproved. It makes no sense.

ps.
thankyou to the poster (I think it was Smoke'nmirrors) who explained about the passport.

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Post by Guest on 28.02.13 9:13

Jean wrote:There was a very early newspaper quote from Kate saying that she felt safe in PDL because she'd been there before. I posted a link to the story - probably in 2011 - but I can't find it now; it's probably been whooshed anyway.

Of course it might have been an error but it would certainly be interesting if it was not......

There was an early report of a previous visit but I don't think it actually said when that was.
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Post by Miraflores on 28.02.13 9:31

Why tell a huge lie about something which could so easily be disproved. It makes no sense.
Indeed, but the same comment could be made about the jemmied shutters.
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Post by bobbin on 28.02.13 11:21

Leafylane wrote:
Miraflores wrote:
Leafylane wrote:If Madeleine had been in PdeL the previous year, surely it would show in her Passport and in Mark Warner's records?

The passport question has already been answered.
Would it show in Mark Warner's records? Why assume they stayed at Mark Warner?



Why not?

But even if they didn't then unless they flew in just for that afternoon, they would have been staying somewhere for a week or more - walking around, eating out, shopping, talking to people etc. etc. I'm sure with their faces being in newspapers/media all over the world just a few months later that someone would have recognised them as the family they met/saw/spoke to the previous year in Portugal - or sat next to on the plane.

The McCanns have said they had never been to PdL before and KM had never been in Portugal before. Why tell a huge lie about something which could so easily be disproved. It makes no sense.

ps.
thankyou to the poster (I think it was Smoke'nmirrors) who explained about the passport.

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well leafylane, it would be easy to determine by looking at Gerry and Kate's bank statements, use of credit cards, etc. So why hasn't this been done.....ah, yes I remember, it's because they (a) didn't have any credit cards and (b) refused to let this information be made available to the investigation.
So we are just to take their word for it that they weren't on holiday in Portugal at a time when the bougainvillea was in full bloom and a photo of Maddie was taken by the pool with the full bloom right there behind her.
another ahhhhhh. along with all the other truths they have spoken, e.g. Gerry entered the apartment on 3rd May 2007 at 9 p.m. by the front door with the key, but 'yeah but no but yeah but no', he entered by the patio door at the back to save using the front door and key in order to not wake the kids. Honestly.

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Post by tigger on 28.02.13 11:56

Leafylane wrote:
Miraflores wrote:
Leafylane wrote:If Madeleine had been in PdeL the previous year, surely it would show in her Passport and in Mark Warner's records?

The passport question has already been answered.
Would it show in Mark Warner's records? Why assume they stayed at Mark Warner?



Why not?

But even if they didn't then unless they flew in just for that afternoon, they would have been staying somewhere for a week or more - walking around, eating out, shopping, talking to people etc. etc. I'm sure with their faces being in newspapers/media all over the world just a few months later that someone would have recognised them as the family they met/saw/spoke to the previous year in Portugal - or sat next to on the plane.

The McCanns have said they had never been to PdL before and KM had never been in Portugal before. Why tell a huge lie about something which could so easily be disproved. It makes no sense.

ps.
thankyou to the poster (I think it was Smoke'nmirrors) who explained about the passport.

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@Leafylane: re the video camera in your other post: the essential problem about the 'last photo' is that it wasn't on the camera. They apparently didn't have a video camera with them. Only one camera and allegedly the 'last photo'.
It was published after Gerry had been to the UK, some three weeks later.
Kate's memory contradicts the bright sunshine - it looks very hot. I've copied her account in a previous post.
Apricot coloured dress - not pink. It was rather cold and Maddie should have had a cardigan. That's not what the picture tells us.

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Post by Guest on 28.02.13 12:11

The McCs stayed at the OC resort until they moved to villa early July. By the time the last photo was published, the bougainvillea would have been in full bloom without doubt. The weather would meanwhile have improved too . If you get my drift ...
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Post by saltnpepper on 28.02.13 12:14

Tigger , when the pj & grime went to search the villa they took a video camera with them,which in turn recorded the bedside photo which included the last photo,from my first look on this thread i was convinced it was a different poolside photo with a girl with bob hairstyle after seeing a video posted on mm i have concluded its probably the same photo with Gerry & amelie shopped out...for what reason , i dont know? the video recording is blurry & at an angle not looking straight at the photo so would that scenario distort the bedside last photo? not sure if that makes sence
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Post by tigger on 28.02.13 14:25

saltnpepper wrote:Tigger , when the pj & grime went to search the villa they took a video camera with them,which in turn recorded the bedside photo which included the last photo,from my first look on this thread i was convinced it was a different poolside photo with a girl with bob hairstyle after seeing a video posted on mm i have concluded its probably the same photo with Gerry & amelie shopped out...for what reason , i dont know? the video recording is blurry & at an angle not looking straight at the photo so would that scenario distort the bedside last photo? not sure if that makes sence

Hi, I meant the McCanns didn't take a video camera with them on holiday - unless the facility for video was on the fairly simple camera they were using. The police certainly only checked one camera - hence a mere 150+ deleted photographs. The pool photo wasn't on it and iirc neither was the tennis photo.
Being the 'last' photograph taken by Kate (who can't get the details right in the book) it should have been on there.

I know the search of the villa was filmed by the PJ. I agree with you now, the explanation on MM is excellent - a higher resolution film would have shown it immediately. So one complication less in that photo and we can't all be right all of the time. The question marks on the other points remain though - still don't like that neck of Maddie there either. Ain't right. The little-lamented C.Edwards did us a favour posting those high resolution shots.

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Post by Spaniel on 28.02.13 14:50

tigger wrote:
saltnpepper wrote:Tigger , when the pj & grime went to search the villa they took a video camera with them,which in turn recorded the bedside photo which included the last photo,from my first look on this thread i was convinced it was a different poolside photo with a girl with bob hairstyle after seeing a video posted on mm i have concluded its probably the same photo with Gerry & amelie shopped out...for what reason , i dont know? the video recording is blurry & at an angle not looking straight at the photo so would that scenario distort the bedside last photo? not sure if that makes sence

Hi, I meant the McCanns didn't take a video camera with them on holiday - unless the facility for video was on the fairly simple camera they were using. The police certainly only checked one camera - hence a mere 150+ deleted photographs. The pool photo wasn't on it and iirc neither was the tennis photo.
Being the 'last' photograph taken by Kate (who can't get the details right in the book) it should have been on there.

I know the search of the villa was filmed by the PJ. I agree with you now, the explanation on MM is excellent - a higher resolution film would have shown it immediately. So one complication less in that photo and we can't all be right all of the time. The question marks on the other points remain though - still don't like that neck of Maddie there either. Ain't right. The little-lamented C.Edwards did us a favour posting those high resolution shots.
Agree it was a good explanation, however I still see differing folds in the fabric and bare shoulders and I wasn't the only one to notice them.
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Post by plebgate on 28.02.13 17:48

Tigger I took a look at the photo yesterday after reading your comment about Maddie's neck. I didn't think it looked right somehow. Looked very wide imo for a little girl's neck.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.02.13 18:39

plebgate wrote:Tigger I took a look at the photo yesterday after reading your comment about Maddie's neck. I didn't think it looked right somehow. Looked very wide imo for a little girl's neck.

At first look and with the preceding notion that its fake you could well see something like that. I think its just a result of the joint turn of the head and twisting of the body by leaning back, sorry don't know how to explain that better.

sashaM on MM forum, on page 6 here is spot on IMO

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22928p75-the-last-photo-again


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Post by bobbin on 28.02.13 18:55

Bringing this across from the MM forum. C.Edwards has been causing the same break-up over there that got him/her banned here. This time though, C.E. has c****d up and demonstrated it's definitely been photo-shopped.


want the truth Today at 17:04


C.Edwards wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:I
know that if i put a big stick and a little stick a few feet apart, in
my lawn, both upright, as the sun shines down on them they BOTH cast
the same shadow 'angle' on the lawn.

But you would have me
believe that two vertical objects cast different shadows when the sun
is shining on them from the same orientation.

Oh well, back to school for me then!

No.
You're misinterpreting the picture. Just look at the shadow cast on the
wall above the weeds.
Where does that come from? Virtually directly
overhead.
look at the shadow underneath the recliner on the left.
Starts almost immediately at the plane of the end of the recliner
meaning the sun is very high in the sky. Look at the shadow under the
rim of the pool - there is a lip of an inch or two protruding out.
Gerry is sitting with his legs well clear of that lip.

You refer
to shadows on the wall from the weeds - there's your problem, there
aren't any. The weed shadows are invisible at the base of the weeds
themselves. If the photo was bigger, you would see a small shadow
around Madeleine where she was sitting on the edge of the pool.
Likewise you would see shadows on the pool wall under Gerry from his
thighs, with the shadows from his knees to his feet being virtually
underneath his feet on the bottom of the pool.

Most of the
shadow misinterpretation is being done because of the shadow extending
under the recliner making it look like the sun is off at an angle to
the top left. It's not. You can tell this by the point at which the
shadow starts. To me, it's elementary (light) ray tracing and all is
perfectly normal and valid. There is nothing wrong with this picture.
A BIG HOME GOAL C.EDWARDS. TIME YOU WENT BACK TO SCHOOL. The failure to OBSERVE the bigger picture. Just like Gerry would have us believe that his carefully photo-shopped picture would signify a date of 3rd May 2007, when the bougainvillea in full bloom in the background could not have been in full bloom, due to the cold and wet weather conditions preceding,
C.Edwards
now STATES that there would be NO SHADOW behind Maddie, because the
shadow (hence SUN) comes from "VIRTUALLY DIRECTLY OVERHEAD".
BRILLIANT.
It's the 3rd May 2007 (early spring time) it's not on the equator, and
yet the sun/shadow is coming from virtually overhead.
Now how in the blazes can that phenomenon happen.
IT'S A FAKE, isn't it C.EDWARDS. Where is Maddie's shadow, as you would see in such sunshine on 3rd May 2007.

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Post by tigger on 28.02.13 20:03

I'm adding Dr. Roberts' take on this topic from his article on the Swedish Interview 2010 (thank you lovely McCannfiles!)


Fredrik Skavlan: "Errm... If we could start by going back, errm... to... to May, errr... 3rd 2007. What's your strongest memories of Madeleine from that day?”

Gerry McCann: "I think the strongest memory I have is of really, the photograph that was the last photograph we have of her and, errr... you know, we'd had a lovely holiday. [....]
However intriguing one might find Gerry McCann's reference to his reverie being 'shattered,' or the verbatim repetition of his 'proud father moment' anecdote, the more revealing aspect of his response to the interviewer's question is the opener; the description, ostensibly, of his strongest memory of Madeleine from that day, which turns out not to be a particularly vivid memory of Madeleine at all, but the description of a photograph in which both Gerry McCann and his daughter Madeleine appear. As Gerry says:

"I think the strongest memory I have is of really, the photograph."

The 'last photograph we have of her' gives nothing away as regards the date it was taken but that is not the crux of the matter.

When Gerry speaks of his strongest memory being of a photograph he means exactly that. He does not describe his memory of accompanying two children by the pool and being photographed at the time. Oh no. He describes the photograph, from the onlooker's point of view:

"...just after lunch we went over to the pool area and, errr... she was sitting there paddling in the pool and I was sitting next to her and she turned round and she's just beaming."

Look at the photograph in question. Gerry is staring directly at the camera from behind a pair of sunglasses. Madeleine, a sun hat shielding her face, has turned away to her left with a broad smile. But from their relative positions at the time the shutter was pressed, Gerry would not have been able to tell whether Madeleine was beaming, frowning or crying. 'She's just beaming' is a description of what Madeleine looks like to anyone viewing the photograph. It is not a personal recollection of Gerry McCann's, the father who, despite attempts at convincing the PJ that his memory actually improved with time, has, five years on, a stronger memory of a photograph (its details, by virtue of the photograph's very existence, do not need to be remembered) than he does of a later interaction with Madeleine; an interaction which, in keeping with well-documented 'recency effects' in memory (last item(s) in a series best recalled), should constitute the stronger recollection, being nearer in time and, by definition, the last experience of its kind.

Amnesia apart, there are two reasons in particular why anyone should be unable to recollect the fundamental detail of a significant personal interaction: They have either forgotten all about it (it was not that significant after all), or the memory was not established in the first instance, i.e., what was supposed to have happened did not.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.02.13 20:05

Calm down Bobbin, I think the only strange fact about this photo is that theMccanns did not release it for three weeks,still doeant make it fake, Im convinced by CEs posts and Sashas on this


This debate has gone on for YEARS and nothing has come of it, wasted time IMO must like on several other things, its flogging a dead horse jmo

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Post by tigger on 28.02.13 20:51

Inspectorfrost wrote:
plebgate wrote:Tigger I took a look at the photo yesterday after reading your comment about Maddie's neck. I didn't think it looked right somehow. Looked very wide imo for a little girl's neck.

At first look and with the preceding notion that its fake you could well see something like that. I think its just a result of the joint turn of the head and twisting of the body by leaning back, sorry don't know how to explain that better.

sashaM on MM forum, on page 6 here is spot on IMO

http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t22928p75-the-last-photo-again


I hope this comes over as a good enlargement - there's just everything wrong with the neck, the difference in colour, the straight line which should be curved and the width.


@ IF - Bobbin and other members as well as myself have given many reasons why this photo is fake. Just because we were sidetracked by the apparently similar (i.e. not the same) photograph on the bedside table doesn't mean it isn't a fake.
We did what a forum is meant to do: discuss and weigh up the evidence. It's not another photograph, fine - one less complication.
There is clear evidence of photoshopping, of the wrong time of year and so on.
Imo there is something seriously wrong with Madeleine. It's quite possible that it's her face but not her body, which would explain the mysterious disappearance of the pink dress, why Kate recalled the wrong colour in her book - she'd never bought it, but probably knew who had and last but not least, the too young, too small Maddie. Once again, a younger girl's body, with Maddies' head grafted on. Donegal all over again. Interesting.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.02.13 21:01

Tigger you are entitled to your opinion but Ive seen no hard evidence that it is a fake, no one innearly six years has been able to prove this or show solid evidence of fakery

You would, eg have to prove Bougainvilla shrubs do NOT flower in the first week of May in Portugal, thats for starters if you want to convince theres fakery here when photo professionals have said there isnt

Why would they lie? I have read CEs posts and they are nothingbut factual and no agenda JMHO!

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Did it ever cross your mind that some people might start such things to deflect people from scrutinising other things

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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by Nina on 28.02.13 21:24

Inspectorfrost wrote:Tigger you are entitled to your opinion but Ive seen no hard evidence that it is a fake, no one innearly six years has been able to prove this or show solid evidence of fakery

You would, eg have to prove Bougainvilla shrubs do NOT flower in the first week of May in Portugal, thats for starters if you want to convince theres fakery here when photo professionals have said there isnt

Why would they lie? I have read CEs posts and they are nothingbut factual and no agenda JMHO!

Excuse me butting in here but with regard the bougainvillea climbing shrubs. The flower brachts start the flowering season at the tips, the very tips of the branch then as the weather heats up and lack of water prolongs then the flowers increase and become heavy and full, just as in the pool photograph. Heat, drought and prolonged sunshine are required for this to start and progress.
I know this as a fact as I see it every year. Ok I don't live by the Atlantic, I am on the Med, further south in fact and not by the sea so lacking in salt air, but there is still the drought, the heat and the sun and never have I seen such flowers in late April early May.

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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by Inspectorfrost on 28.02.13 21:31

Then its just a case of finding photos onthe internet posted showing bouganvilla shrubs in May in the Algarve or other places on the same longitude

Showing barren shrubs or just budding or blooming

Temp and sun charts are useful too


http://www.your-perfect-algarve-holiday.com/weather-algarve-portugal.html

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Re: If there is ONE last photo.........................

Post by Juulcy on 28.02.13 22:03

Googled for bougainville flowering Portugal And came to this site:

http://pigletsplot.wordpress.com/2013/01/15/portugal-garden-bloggers-bloom-day-january-2013/#comments

Apparently it can bloom throughout the year. But someone from around PdL should be able to tell us?

Everybody entitled to his or her opinion of course re the last photo. I still believe the photo is genuine, but the date has been manipulated. Set another camera on the date you need, like 3th may 2007, and take a picture of a picture originally taken on.. 30th april, or 1st may 2007. Not complicated, and effective.
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Post by worriedmum on 28.02.13 22:15

From pj files--Page 588- MBM
taken in Portugal at
17:15 on Wednesday
May 2, 2007


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