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oops sorry Spaniel, should have explained. I put the coloured one on the screenshot of the montage with the black and white picture in the frame. I'm not very good technically and that's as close as I could get them together..........
As I said,if someone is clever enough make them both the same size so that the position of the head , the crown of the hat and the folds of the dress can be compared............
As I said,if someone is clever enough make them both the same size so that the position of the head , the crown of the hat and the folds of the dress can be compared............
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No matter what anyone thinks of the Mccs, no one can deny that they have no self awareness as to what is acceptable behaviour.sami wrote:The "last photo" is also displayed in Rothley in the kitchen, on the creepy mantel with Madeleine's name and that urn type thing. I'm trying to find it to see how it compares to these two, maybe someone else has it to hand immediately.
What other parent would think it ok to put a tarramundi money saving pot in the middle of a shrine to their daughter?
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My fault, I'd watched the video so should have known.worriedmum wrote:oops sorry Spaniel, should have explained. I put the coloured one on the screenshot of the montage with the black and white picture in the frame. I'm not very good technically and that's as close as I could get them together..........
As I said,if someone is clever enough make them both the same size so that the position of the head , the crown of the hat and the folds of the dress can be compared............
There is still the question of why they had a b/w and a coloured version with them? It could be a b/w was taken, then another in colour, that would account for the slight change in pose. Doesn't account for the length of hair though.
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I've done some work on the black and white photograph, and put it side by side with the "last pic", but I have no idea how to put it on here. Any suggestions?
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Can you post the link to the video? I can't find it on YouTube.
You're right, that is the exact pose in the dress except there is a gap where the much shorter hair finished. But the dress seems different.
So a little strange to get exactly the same pose - but many photographs see her posed, few real 'snaps' World of difference between the posed pictures and the 'snaps'.
To have two photographs with exactly the same pose with almost a year in between imo is weird.
Little pics face IMO is the same one as seen on the search poster handed out immediately after the 22.00 hullaballoo got started. The one with the word 'MISSING" on it. She looks impish there, a little naughty in a not unpleasant way. Definitely not strange/seductive.
Maybe that one picture was real, and that could be the reason why KM put it on her table.
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I missed your post worried mum before making the same observation later. Honestly! better take the dog out and get some oxygen to my brain.worriedmum wrote:I don't even think that the folds in the dress look the same. In the coloured picture the dress appears to pull down to the left as we look at it, wrinkling the fabric. IMO the bedside picture shows the folds of the dress following the contours of her tummy....
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Spaniel wrote:I missed your post worried mum before making the same observation later. Honestly! better take the dog out and get some oxygen to my brain.worriedmum wrote:I don't even think that the folds in the dress look the same. In the coloured picture the dress appears to pull down to the left as we look at it, wrinkling the fabric. IMO the bedside picture shows the folds of the dress following the contours of her tummy....
Could it be that Colour Picture is Ella?
Could account for the confusion about who took it and which camera.
MM -in the unposed picturese- has these heavy eyebrows, almost bridging her nose.
Colour Pic girl doesn't
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oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle ....
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Lostfridge wrote:oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle ....
Little pics hair looks about 10 cms shorter
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Portia wrote:Lostfridge wrote:oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle ....
Little pics hair looks about 10 cms shorter
Gerry McCann said in a recent interview that the last photo was his last best memory of Madeleine...another pic which suggests misuse of a pc
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Lostfridge wrote:oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle ....
Lostfridge, whilst appreciating you bringing some balance to the forum at times, you`re definitely needing glasses with this one - the photo of Maddie with the crucifix beside it was not taken the same time as the supposed pool side photo. Get your glasses on and see how much shorter her hair is in the bedside photo. Also notice the sunhat is a different shape and also notice that she has an entirely different dress on. It looks to me as if she has bare shoulders and a towel wrapped round her in the bedside photo.
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Can you post the link to the video? I can't find it on YouTube.
You're right, that is the exact pose in the dress except there is a gap where the much shorter hair finished. But the dress seems different.
So a little strange to get exactly the same pose - but many photographs see her posed, few real 'snaps' World of difference between the posed pictures and the 'snaps'.
To have two photographs with exactly the same pose with almost a year in between imo is weird.
Little pics face IMO is the same one as seen on the search poster handed out immediately after the 22.00 hullaballoo got started. The one with the word 'MISSING" on it. She looks impish there, a little naughty in a not unpleasant way. Definitely not strange/seductive.
Maybe that one picture was real, and that could be the reason why KM put it on her table.
Having studied the pool photo in absolute depth for a long time, most posters found many inconsistencies.
Apart from this new observation (fantastic find worriedmum) there are basically two other pool picture versions for May 3rd 2007, one with Gerry's jutting elbow, and one without (as was in the church) but both with long hair.
Of the two with longer hair, the background wall and grass are different from each other in that one has dark green grass including a shadow and the other does not have a shadow, also the wall behind Maddie's head goes up then down whilst on the other one it only goes up.
If you now look at the two photos shown above, the short haired and the long haired ones, you will see the same rock details on the wall behind Maddie's left arm, at exactly the same position (half way between elbow and shoulder).
Given that the video (short haired version) is at an obtuse angle, you need to compensate by mentally bringing the picture round to be straight on just like the long haired one.
When photo-shopping it is possible to lengthen a photo too.
Given that the position of the detail in the rock wall and Maddie's (long haired picture) arm is the same as for the short haired pic. I am certain that such a coincidence of position, one year after the next is not possible.
This now would indicate that Maddie had been to Portugal the year before, when it had been hot enough for the bougainvillea to have truly been in flower.
Now if this is the case, what the hell have we been spun.
Just how is the short-haired photo with the pool wall background the last photo May 3rd 2007 when the playground photo and tennis court photos have a much older looking girl with longer hair.
Yes she could have had her hair cut after the tennis court photo, but not have her body so reduced in age to have become one year younger.
If the short haired photo is in the new Algarve apartment, then either they had it with them and did not hand it to the police, or someone brought it out from UK with them.
It is absolutely certain in my mind that it's the same base used to make the updated version and we already know that there had been tampering because the church version and the jutting elbow version have variations in fine detail.
So was Maddie in Portugal before, if so what was she doing there and what was happening to her, that time and this.
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There was a very early newspaper quote from Kate saying that she felt safe in PDL because she'd been there before. I posted a link to the story - probably in 2011 - but I can't find it now; it's probably been whooshed anyway.
Of course it might have been an error but it would certainly be interesting if it was not......
Of course it might have been an error but it would certainly be interesting if it was not......
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Gerry McCann said in a recent interview that the last photo was his last best memory of Madeleine...another pic which suggests misuse of a pc
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I've also never been happy about that strong diagonal line in her neck, not what I expect to see - only when there's excess flesh in the neck.
Portia wrote:Lostfridge wrote:oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle ....
Little pics hair looks about 10 cms shorter
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I've also never been happy about that strong diagonal line in her neck, not what I expect to see - only when there's excess flesh in the neck.
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bobbin wrote:candyfloss wrote:The video does not play, but the pic is here........
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thanks candyfloss. The video does work for me, with various moves around the picture, then repeated, enough time to see the picture clearly. Almost a duplicate for the pool photo, but with the pool photo having been photo-shopped up a bit in age, hair length, dress clarified etc.
No way would the McCs on setting this hoax or cover up have ever expected the sort of minute, analysis, gathering and sharing of information to ensure that Maddie gets justice. They must be really worried.
It plays for me too. Yes her hair is in a much shorter bob on the bedside table photograph. What a find, very well done. only on page 2 so maybe a tad early to comment but just had to
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The middle photo looks more like the left hand photo than the right hand one. Hair definitely looks shorter. You have to be careful as the video footage is grainy,( the photo is quite blurred though you can make out there is colour in it, so not black and white either) even so, and allowing for different pose and movement, it does look shorter. You cant see the big grin either in the middle photo. The clothing is the same IMO. My first impression was that the photo was resized wrongly thus distorting elements in the image.I agree with Lostfridge it maybe the same day but a different photo. The hair length does stick out as different though. Just my two cents of random observations.
The seeming difference in the rock background I think is due to to blowing up the photo and also at a level below the top of the right hand photo, in the photo a couple posts up here.
The seeming difference in the rock background I think is due to to blowing up the photo and also at a level below the top of the right hand photo, in the photo a couple posts up here.
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"oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle..."
I think 'lostfridge' has made a very valid point.
Here is my thinking on the 'middle photo' (with the cross in the background) and the 'last photo' (on the right).
Firstly, they are clearly not the same picture. The differences I can see include:
* hat shape slightly different
* folds of the dress slightly different
* position of hairbead in relation to the hat slightly different (a bit nearer the hat I think on the 'middle photo')
* slightly different angle of shot (as 'lostfridge' suggests).
But overwhelmingly more important are the similarities, namely:
* same dress, albeit slightly different shadows and folds
* hairbead in exactly the same position on Madeleine's hair
* position of head on her shoulders almost identical
* position of left arm and shoulder identical - same amount of 'shine' on the top of her left shoulder
* similar facial expression
* length and shape of shadow on Madeleine's neck the same - sun must have been very high in the sky.
So I would suggest this.
The two photos were taken on the same occasion, maybe just a couple of seconds apart. This is common with digital photos - you see someone you love in a photogenic situation and you take two, maybe three, four or five shots in quick succession. Like wedding photographers do - to get the best expression.
So, I am in agreement with 'lostfridge' so far.
The next question is: if they were taken just a few seconds apart, what occasion was that?
In considering this, I take into account the exaggerated references made by Kate to the hair bead: "I carefully removed her hair bead". Was this an attempt to prove that this 'last photo' was taken on 3 May 2007 at 2.29pm?
Next I consider that it took three weeks and a visit by Gerry to England in order to produce this 'last photo'. That tells me that it was not readily available in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007.
Then I look at the complete absence of other photos of Madeleine on that holiday, apart from the tennis balls photo.
Finally I reflect on the obvious height of the sun - it looks near enough vertical, just as it would be, say, near the midde of the day in June or July.
For all the above reasons I would like to put forward the suggestion that these two photos were taken within, say, 2-3 seconds of each other, and perhaps from a slightly different angle, in the summer of 2006.
And it is possible, since Edward Smethurst is known to have taken his summer holidays in Praia da Luz every year since 1999, that he might have been there at the same time.
"oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle..."
I think 'lostfridge' has made a very valid point.
Here is my thinking on the 'middle photo' (with the cross in the background) and the 'last photo' (on the right).
Firstly, they are clearly not the same picture. The differences I can see include:
* hat shape slightly different
* folds of the dress slightly different
* position of hairbead in relation to the hat slightly different (a bit nearer the hat I think on the 'middle photo')
* slightly different angle of shot (as 'lostfridge' suggests).
But overwhelmingly more important are the similarities, namely:
* same dress, albeit slightly different shadows and folds
* hairbead in exactly the same position on Madeleine's hair
* position of head on her shoulders almost identical
* position of left arm and shoulder identical - same amount of 'shine' on the top of her left shoulder
* similar facial expression
* length and shape of shadow on Madeleine's neck the same - sun must have been very high in the sky.
So I would suggest this.
The two photos were taken on the same occasion, maybe just a couple of seconds apart. This is common with digital photos - you see someone you love in a photogenic situation and you take two, maybe three, four or five shots in quick succession. Like wedding photographers do - to get the best expression.
So, I am in agreement with 'lostfridge' so far.
The next question is: if they were taken just a few seconds apart, what occasion was that?
In considering this, I take into account the exaggerated references made by Kate to the hair bead: "I carefully removed her hair bead". Was this an attempt to prove that this 'last photo' was taken on 3 May 2007 at 2.29pm?
Next I consider that it took three weeks and a visit by Gerry to England in order to produce this 'last photo'. That tells me that it was not readily available in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007.
Then I look at the complete absence of other photos of Madeleine on that holiday, apart from the tennis balls photo.
Finally I reflect on the obvious height of the sun - it looks near enough vertical, just as it would be, say, near the midde of the day in June or July.
For all the above reasons I would like to put forward the suggestion that these two photos were taken within, say, 2-3 seconds of each other, and perhaps from a slightly different angle, in the summer of 2006.
And it is possible, since Edward Smethurst is known to have taken his summer holidays in Praia da Luz every year since 1999, that he might have been there at the same time.
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There are also the playground photos and the airport footage.
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There's also one of David Payne's photos in which nearly all the Tapas 9 and children supposedly appear but it's impossible to make anyone out.
I agree with Sharon that the poolside photo is more likely to been taken earlier than we have been told it was.
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There's also one of David Payne's photos in which nearly all the Tapas 9 and children supposedly appear but it's impossible to make anyone out.
I agree with Sharon that the poolside photo is more likely to been taken earlier than we have been told it was.
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Sharon, are you saying the photo of Madeleine taken at the pool in PDL in 2006 was photoshopped into a photo of Gerry and Amelie at the pool in 2007?
i think if they had been there before as a family it would have come out by now.
i think if they had been there before as a family it would have come out by now.
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sharonl wrote:'lostfridge' wrote this:
"oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle..."
I think 'lostfridge' has made a very valid point.
Here is my thinking on the 'middle photo' (with the cross in the background) and the 'last photo' (on the right).
Firstly, they are clearly not the same picture. The differences I can see include:
* hat shape slightly different
* folds of the dress slightly different
* position of hairbead in relation to the hat slightly different (a bit nearer the hat I think on the 'middle photo')
* slightly different angle of shot (as 'lostfridge' suggests).
But overwhelmingly more important are the similarities, namely:
* same dress, albeit slightly different shadows and folds
* hairbead in exactly the same position on Madeleine's hair
* position of head on her shoulders almost identical
* position of left arm and shoulder identical - same amount of 'shine' on the top of her left shoulder
* similar facial expression
* length and shape of shadow on Madeleine's neck the same - sun must have been very high in the sky.
So I would suggest this.
The two photos were taken on the same occasion, maybe just a couple of seconds apart. This is common with digital photos - you see someone you love in a photogenic situation and you take two, maybe three, four or five shots in quick succession. Like wedding photographers do - to get the best expression.
So, I am in agreement with 'lostfridge' so far.
The next question is: if they were taken just a few seconds apart, what occasion was that?
In considering this, I take into account the exaggerated references made by Kate to the hair bead: "I carefully removed her hair bead". Was this an attempt to prove that this 'last photo' was taken on 3 May 2007 at 2.29pm?
Next I consider that it took three weeks and a visit by Gerry to England in order to produce this 'last photo'. That tells me that it was not readily available in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007.
Then I look at the complete absence of other photos of Madeleine on that holiday, apart from the tennis balls photo.
Finally I reflect on the obvious height of the sun - it looks near enough vertical, just as it would be, say, near the midde of the day in June or July.
For all the above reasons I would like to put forward the suggestion that these two photos were taken within, say, 2-3 seconds of each other, and perhaps from a slightly different angle, in the summer of 2006.
And it is possible, since Edward Smethurst is known to have taken his summer holidays in Praia da Luz every year since 1999, that he might have been there at the same time.
sharonl, I might have misunderstood your words above. I agree with a lot of what you say, but what about the very obvious difference in hair length from middle photo with cross hanging over the side and the 3rd May last pool photo alongside it.
There has definitely been photo-shopping to make the longer haired one look 2007 instead of 2006.
Now I am convinced that the photo was taken in high summer, when the bougainvillea was in full bloom, and that would have to have been 2006.
It therefore means that either Maddie alone, accompanied by other relatives, uncles, aunts or an ersatz grandfather, or her actual real family, had been there the year before and are not letting on about this.
I was therefore wondering, where would they have stayed, why have they not said that they had been there before.
Now isn't it interesting what you say about Smethurst having property there and going there often.
And he's on the board of the McCann fund, and so closely connected to the whole search for Madeleine, and of course so linked with the benefactor who is funding the McCs for whatever they want until whenever they want.
A benefactor who visits witnesses, including Murat, who along with his solicitor says something like 'Kennedy offered him a job'...but I can't recall if he said he didn't take the offer up or not.
Funny that. None of this has been said before by the McCs and if worriedmum hadn't discovered this picture on a video that doesn't work in the UK (but does abroad) we would never have known that Maddie had been in Portugal in 2006 when the sun was high and the flowers were out in full bloom because they need strong heat for at least 5 hours of sun a day to come out, and of course, as the weather records show, it had been wet, cold and rainy for the week.
Now why doesn't that video work in the UK. Why had it been stopped? for the reason that something was discovered there that could blow the whole show out of the water ?
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The whole of the dog footage as released by journo D Levy is now on youtube
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The photos on the bedside table are somewhere within the first twelve minutes
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The photos on the bedside table are somewhere within the first twelve minutes
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This is the closest view we have of this 'middle' picture, thank you, candyfloss.candyfloss wrote:The video does not play, but the pic is here........
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It looks to me, contrary to the views of Portia and others, that Madeleine's hair in the 'middle' picture is just as long as it is in the 'last photo' picture. It looks like the last inch or so of her hair is lit by the sunlight. I may be wrong, but to me the similarities between the two photos is striking - and I also go back to the point about Kate stressing removing the hair bead.
It had to be that she was proving (or rather, attempting to prove) that this last photo was taken on 3 May 2007 - when it wasn't
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Sharon, are you saying the photo of Madeleine taken at the pool in PDL in 2006 was photoshopped into a photo of Gerry and Amelie at the pool in 2007?
i think if they had been there before as a family it would have come out by now.
reposting sharon case u missed it, Im interested in your view
i think if they had been there before as a family it would have come out by now.
reposting sharon case u missed it, Im interested in your view
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Hhmmm…… not sure about Madeleine having been there / photographed the year before. That would have been just before or just after her 3rd birthday, IMO, she lacks the "baby" look so I personally think the photo is later. If she was only two or just over 3, I think her pose and demeanour and overall face shape etc looks too old for a child of that age.
I think we'd need to see a bigger image of the shorter haired picture. It is weird, to be sure, and it would be good to sort it out!!
I think we'd need to see a bigger image of the shorter haired picture. It is weird, to be sure, and it would be good to sort it out!!
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Just been looking at it again, if you look at the middle picture, and look at the cross itself, in the top left "quadrant" it looks like a daker patch. Now if you look at the "official" last picture, that gap is present to the left of Madeleine. Also the outline of the hat, the curve of it over her head, the folds in the material of the hat are the same, IMO not possible to replicate a year later, if the two were taken a year apart! It looks to me like it is the same day and the zoom and or taker of photo moving, to displace the black shape present in both photos. The short haired version, the taker of photo is standing further to the right and has moved forward and to the left of M for the second, more familiar picture.
The hair length is a strange one. And I definitely think the one we are used to seeing has been tampered with. The line on Maddies neck and the vertical reflection in Gerry's glasses and so on.
Shame we can't get a clearer image of the short haired version - clicked on the video and says it is not available in this country due to a legal complaint. Isn't that just typical.
The hair length is a strange one. And I definitely think the one we are used to seeing has been tampered with. The line on Maddies neck and the vertical reflection in Gerry's glasses and so on.
Shame we can't get a clearer image of the short haired version - clicked on the video and says it is not available in this country due to a legal complaint. Isn't that just typical.
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Inspectorfrost wrote:Sharon, are you saying the photo of Madeleine taken at the pool in PDL in 2006 was photoshopped into a photo of Gerry and Amelie at the pool in 2007?
i think if they had been there before as a family it would have come out by now.
reposting sharon case u missed it, Im interested in your view
It's the other way round imo. Amelie has been photoshopped into a picture of Gerry and Maddie from 2006 - could be as late as September 06, would still be very warm there.
But where I'm quite happy to accept that the weird reflection in the sunglasses is the effect of polarising glasses - which would be the only change in Gerry - I think there was a certain amount of manipulation with Maddie. That line in the neck doesn't make sense, it's not due to shadow.
The left arm is in exactly the same position relevant to the rock mass behind. That cannot be duplicated in two separate photographs.
So imo the original photo is from an earlier time, Maddie's head and 'new clothes' may have been pasted onto the original. The hat has a different outline in 2007, the dress/folds are different.
However, Amelie is pasted in really badly, her right arm gives it away.
The function of this photo was to prove that
a) they were having a lovely family holiday (G: 'she was having a ball')
b) the date of the photo - 3/5/07 - proved she was alive at that time
c) the age of Amelie there concurs with the 3/05/07 date.
d) the apricot dress that Amelie wears can be seen in a number of later snaps.
Some problems with the photo: Kate recalls an apricot/peach coloured dress when it is pink.
Pink was Maddie, a colour much pushed by Kate. So why has she forgotten the colour? Why is Amelie wearing the same pink hat that Maddie wore allegedly earlier that day? Most children would have a major tantrum if a sibling wore their favourite clothes.
The time given on the camera is an hour earlier than the time given by Kate. Imo the person doing the 'adjustments' assumed that Portugal isn't included in GMT and like France and Spain, an hour ahead. But 1.39 pm is 2.39 in France and Spain etc. Not in Portugal.
It's the only 'family photo' of the whole week.(I don't count the playground) Indeed, there are very few of the normal family snaps taken by a friend or relative.
Another point: why delete so many photographs, at a not much later date Ceops and Gerry in his blog requested all snaps/ photographs from other holiday makers around OC. In case they'd be able to spot suspicious characters in the background. Did they already know all the deleted photographs didn't show a spotty/nasty man? These photographs were deleted within days.
There can be quite a few other reasons to lose photographs of course.
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If Madeleine had been in PdeL the previous year, surely it would show in her Passport and in Mark Warner's records?
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They don't stamp passports anymore for basic European travel, or certainly not on my various travels to different countries within Europe.
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sharonl wrote:'lostfridge' wrote this:
"oh man!. come on peeps. The one in the bedroom may just be another photo taken at the same time! just because we have never seen it doesn't mean there isnt more than one photo taken by the pool that day. Different pic, slightly different angle..."
I think 'lostfridge' has made a very valid point.
Here is my thinking on the 'middle photo' (with the cross in the background) and the 'last photo' (on the right).
Firstly, they are clearly not the same picture. The differences I can see include:
* hat shape slightly different
* folds of the dress slightly different
* position of hairbead in relation to the hat slightly different (a bit nearer the hat I think on the 'middle photo')
* slightly different angle of shot (as 'lostfridge' suggests).
But overwhelmingly more important are the similarities, namely:
* same dress, albeit slightly different shadows and folds
* hairbead in exactly the same position on Madeleine's hair
* position of head on her shoulders almost identical
* position of left arm and shoulder identical - same amount of 'shine' on the top of her left shoulder
* similar facial expression
* length and shape of shadow on Madeleine's neck the same - sun must have been very high in the sky.
So I would suggest this.
The two photos were taken on the same occasion, maybe just a couple of seconds apart. This is common with digital photos - you see someone you love in a photogenic situation and you take two, maybe three, four or five shots in quick succession. Like wedding photographers do - to get the best expression.
So, I am in agreement with 'lostfridge' so far.
The next question is: if they were taken just a few seconds apart, what occasion was that?
In considering this, I take into account the exaggerated references made by Kate to the hair bead: "I carefully removed her hair bead". Was this an attempt to prove that this 'last photo' was taken on 3 May 2007 at 2.29pm?
Next I consider that it took three weeks and a visit by Gerry to England in order to produce this 'last photo'. That tells me that it was not readily available in Praia da Luz on 3 May 2007.
Then I look at the complete absence of other photos of Madeleine on that holiday, apart from the tennis balls photo.
Finally I reflect on the obvious height of the sun - it looks near enough vertical, just as it would be, say, near the midde of the day in June or July.
For all the above reasons I would like to put forward the suggestion that these two photos were taken within, say, 2-3 seconds of each other, and perhaps from a slightly different angle, in the summer of 2006.
And it is possible, since Edward Smethurst is known to have taken his summer holidays in Praia da Luz every year since 1999, that he might have been there at the same time.
Thank you for the reasoned response, which is more than can be said for some people
I have young children, I often take more than one shot and the differences can be minimal. Sometimes I will keep all the shots, sometimes I may delete them.
In this instance I believe the shot taken which is in the frame on the desk, shows a shot just before the 'last photo` shot. Her head has not turned full to the 'last photo' stage and much of her hair is still restingon her right shoulder, as she turns her head a touch more to her left into the 'last photo' pose, the hair comes over her right shoulder and falls free to the right side of her face.
Please also consider that these photos may be stills taken from a good quality Video camera (MiniDV or even one of the first compact DVD disc camcorders), which given that we know they owned a video camera is very possible and very probable you would take it on holiday with you. If the Mccanns had something to hide regarding the holiday and staged anything, they would not very likely admit to having a video camera with them on that holiday , they would destroy the camera but might keep hold of the video tape/dvd and memory card (don't forget high end camcorders even back in 2007 often had a separate memory card which would store still shots very much like a normal digital camera)
The visits back to UK may of been to simply view the footage/ photos in privacy and select the best shots for distribution and printing.
I do not personally think any photos have been altered other than perhaps the times / days we where told they where taken. I have seen no evidence that convinces me otherwise. Despite what theory I may believe or what I think of the Mccanns, I do not think every single thing they ever did was a lie and laced with subterfuge! certainly I think it was a very normal family holiday with friends up until a certain point.
With regards to lack of photos I simply believe there are plenty more photos, they have just not been released either by the police or by the mccanns as they either bare no relevance to the case or they are private and the Mccanns wish not to release them.
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