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Post by Rob_CCTV on 07.02.13 9:36

If ever CCTV footage becomes available to help prove what really happened, I'd be glad to assist. I am a forensic image analysis specialist. I'd be willing to be your nominated 'expert', for free, if it comes to proving what these parents did.

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Post by WindsorBlue on 07.02.13 10:26

There was some I believe in the area, but they were wiped clean so it was said.

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Post by Rob_CCTV on 07.02.13 10:37

@WindsorBlue wrote:There was some I believe in the area, but they were wiped clean so it was said.

Appalling. I hope that Tony Bennet does not become a martyr because of the two evil sh*ts who are so desperate to hide their guilt.

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Post by bobbin on 07.02.13 12:15

Welcome Rob.
The only footage that I'm aware of is the children (accompanied by various Tapas 7 adults) having their tea on 3rd. May 2007. It was claimed that Madeleine and the McCanns were there but the footage is very unclear although I believe we have managed to identify that Maddie was not there.
I don't know if you could do anything with this.
It was said that Maddie had been dancing near a beach cafe with Gerry, but question is, was it a previous visit that we do not know about.
Perhaps others can help more, I'm a bit hazy regarding CCTV footage.

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Post by Mirage on 07.02.13 12:22

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Post by jd on 07.02.13 13:06

@Rob_CCTV wrote:If ever CCTV footage becomes available to help prove what really happened, I'd be glad to assist. I am a forensic image analysis specialist. I'd be willing to be your nominated 'expert', for free, if it comes to proving what these parents did.

The CCTV footage was from the Paraiso restaurant on the beach around 5.30pm to 6.30pm on May 3rd 2007. The images are on the link below

The mccanns were not there and at OC, it was all of the rest of the Tapas 7 whom met for tea at the Paraiso restaurant before going back to Ocean Club, which was about a 20 min walk away

The mccanns were playing tennis, I think kate mccann went for a run, and gerry mccann had a mens tennis match starting around 6pm. The mccanns were having tea with Maddie and twins at around 5.30pm (the time the Tapas 7 were at Paraiso on the CCTV footage). kate mccann says she met up with gerry mccann and the kids from her run whilst they were having tea, but it was kate mccann who signed them out!!!

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PARAISO.htm

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Post by tigger on 07.02.13 13:24

Re the 'dancing on the beach' reports.
A waiter at the Paraiso Bar said he saw her dancing with her father - it was later established that he had mistaken another holiday family for the McCanns. I think he said it was either on the 2nd or the 3rd of May. In any case, the PJ looked into it and I believe it was a French family (not sure though).

There is a longish timeline/topic on the late afternoon of the 3rd somewhere. The Paraiso footage proves that their statements were erroneous to say the least. Wildly so.

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Post by pennylane on 07.02.13 14:12

I am reminded of a chat I had back in 2007 with a retired QC friend (sadly passed away now) who didn't buy the McCanns story one iota. He said to me 'they'll never get them!' I asked him why he was so sure. He said 'they are too well protected, you can see it,' he also spoke of how the Government was always nosing around his London law firm when he worked on certain cases. He added 'and where's all the CCTV footage?' In his opinion, the fact that there was nothing was another indication big guns were at play.

Whilst I felt equally pessimistic too, it still depressed me to hear it confirmed direct from the lips of my learned friend.

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Post by Mirage on 07.02.13 14:54

@pennylane wrote:I am reminded of a chat I had back in 2007 with a retired QC friend (sadly passed away now) who didn't buy the McCanns story one iota. He said to me 'they'll never get them!' I asked him why he was so sure. He said 'they are too well protected, you can see it,' he also spoke of how the Government was always nosing around his London law firm when he worked on certain cases. He added 'and where's all the CCTV footage?' In his opinion, the fact that there was nothing was another indication big guns were at play.

Whilst I felt equally pessimistic too, it still depressed me to hear it confirmed direct from the lips of my learned friend.

Yes, Pennylane, this seemingly impenetrable wall can feel soul-destroying at times. But walls can still be chipped away at.

By contrast, a young woman was jailed last week for negligence in letting a television fall on her baby - and it is this blatant inequity in society that rankles all the time. The smug faces, particularly Gerry's smirk, do little for my blood pressure.

I suppose, taking an entirely philosophical view, lifelong public opprobrium is a kind of justice.

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Post by Tomslass on 07.02.13 15:00

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Wow! Yeah! Surely Mark Warner have CCTV installed in every room of the holiday apartments they rent out! And they must have the streets around the resort littered with cameras too.

What fools we are - all this time we've been discussing what might have happened and all we need to do is download the stored video from 6 years ago and get it analysed by our new friend here. Bloody useless police, fancy not thinking about this before.
I am a new recruit and when I saw that horrible reply to a perfectly reasonable offer from a new poster, I was put off till I saw the admin response. So thank you, admin.
As always, that kind of sarcastic response says far more about the person who posted it than it does about the person to whom it was directed....

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Post by pennylane on 07.02.13 15:14

@Mirage wrote:
@pennylane wrote:I am reminded of a chat I had back in 2007 with a retired QC friend (sadly passed away now) who didn't buy the McCanns story one iota. He said to me 'they'll never get them!' I asked him why he was so sure. He said 'they are too well protected, you can see it,' he also spoke of how the Government was always nosing around his London law firm when he worked on certain cases. He added 'and where's all the CCTV footage?' In his opinion, the fact that there was nothing was another indication big guns were at play.

Whilst I felt equally pessimistic too, it still depressed me to hear it confirmed direct from the lips of my learned friend.

Yes, Pennylane, this seemingly impenetrable wall can feel soul-destroying at times. But walls can still be chipped away at.

By contrast, a young woman was jailed last week for negligence in letting a television fall on her baby - and it is this blatant inequity in society that rankles all the time. The smug faces, particularly Gerry's smirk, do little for my blood pressure.

I suppose, taking an entirely philosophical view,lifelong public opprobrium is a kind of justice.


I agree with you totally, and thank you for your reassuring reply.

Hopefully the dry rot in TM's walls has gone so deep now that they're way beyond repair, in spite of Operation Grange's dubious attempts to shore them up!

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Post by bobbin on 07.02.13 15:50

@pennylane wrote:
@Mirage wrote:
@pennylane wrote:I am reminded of a chat I had back in 2007 with a retired QC friend (sadly passed away now) who didn't buy the McCanns story one iota. He said to me 'they'll never get them!' I asked him why he was so sure. He said 'they are too well protected, you can see it,' he also spoke of how the Government was always nosing around his London law firm when he worked on certain cases. He added 'and where's all the CCTV footage?' In his opinion, the fact that there was nothing was another indication big guns were at play.

Whilst I felt equally pessimistic too, it still depressed me to hear it confirmed direct from the lips of my learned friend.

Yes, Pennylane, this seemingly impenetrable wall can feel soul-destroying at times. But walls can still be chipped away at.

By contrast, a young woman was jailed last week for negligence in letting a television fall on her baby - and it is this blatant inequity in society that rankles all the time. The smug faces, particularly Gerry's smirk, do little for my blood pressure.

I suppose, taking an entirely philosophical view,lifelong public opprobrium is a kind of justice.


I agree with you totally, and thank you for your reassuring reply.

Hopefully the dry rot in TM's walls has gone so deep now that they're way beyond repair, in spite of Operation Grange's dubious attempts to shore them up!

pennylane, I agree it might have seemed depressing at the time your friend said what he did and I am sorry that he is not here today to see what has just happened, but since 2007 things have changed a great deal.
We have communication as never before, the state run propaganda machine of the former press and the BBC are dying like a wilting lilly, corrupt justice and super injunctions are being challenged and reviled.
Forums are being set up where people of kindred thought are joining together to push and push until corrupt authorities are forced to react and justice can be pursued, brought on now by the rising voice and determination of the people.
I am optimistic that just as water, if it is held back from its natural course, will always find the smallest crack to burst through the defenses, the growing weight of disenchanted individuals joining in strength will win for freedom and justice.
The cowards that are corrupt are still only humans, and each one is as capable as the next of betraying his own gang.
Tony's reducing of the McCann's vicious hatred to becoming an 'oh we didn't want to put him in prison really', is just too amazing when you think what impenetrable clout they had had, until Tony faced their gilded puppets in court.
Whatever Judge Tugendhat decides, he has carried out his role impeccably, and that is something that I never thought I would ever see.
Have faith, may you friend's pessimism be our driving force to make things change.

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Post by pennylane on 07.02.13 17:36

Thank you for your kind response, bobbin. Our friend was such a kind person, and it was shocking when he died so suddenly.

It doesn't help one's optimism when you see the Crown Prosecution Service, time and time again, thwarting the most heinous of crimes that are brought before it. It's as if there's a band of steel involving top ranking members of the Establishment that can be called upon to close ranks and suppress crimes that involve its members!

On an upbeat note, you are absolutely right, Judge Tugendhat has carried out his role impeccably,
and has restored my faith to no end. So yes there is cause for optimism in the face of a system that appears to be buckling under the weight of a mountain of scandalous coverups.

I'm longing for the day the pink one is hauled in for questioning. Then I will know the damn is really about to burst.

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Post by russiandoll on 07.02.13 17:40

the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

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[ what do we reckon ? next sighting Iceland ? ]


p.s. there must have been cctv somewhere in the OC complex, reception esp I would have thought. Would that not have captured some of the creche attendees?

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Post by pennylane on 07.02.13 17:47

@russiandoll wrote:the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

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Just done my bit for Anglo-Icelandic relations. Sheep's head, ram's testicles and buried, dried shark. Need a beer


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Oh yuk, right before dinner!


Iceland's a good a place as any for a cold case.

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Post by Guest on 07.02.13 17:48

@pennylane wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

Clarence Mitchell
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Just done my bit for Anglo-Icelandic relations. Sheep's head, ram's testicles and buried, dried shark. Need a beer


[ what do we reckon ? next sighting Iceland ? ]


Oh yuk, right before dinner!


Iceland's a good a place as any for a cold case.

That tweet was a few days ago now, I expect he's back by now.
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Post by russiandoll on 07.02.13 17:52

yes, a week old........but I thought he might be in a Reykjavik hospital ward getting over the side effects ! poor clarrie.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 07.02.13 18:04

@russiandoll wrote:the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

Clarence Mitchell
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No wonder he talks a load of boll****



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Post by Inspectorfrost on 07.02.13 18:12

The only CCTV I have read mentioned is at the Estrela da Luz hotel which is near where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child and where Mr Amaral believed they would have been captured. But by the time the tapes were asked for (presumably after the Smiths coming forward) the tapes had been wiped over.

I read that you can still retrieve deleted images, but if a tape is recorded over then it is very difficult or impossible, depending on various factors, to retrieve older data.

Portugal like many other countries do not have cctv on every corner. In a way its a blessing, in another it could prove vital.

PS I vaguely remember reading something about the main reception having a camera but was pointed towards safety deposit boxes? I don't remember what the conversation or context of that was.

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Post by Rob_CCTV on 07.02.13 22:07

Whilst I recognise that most CCTV systems will be long-erased by now, I put my original comment up here in case any archived footage that is effectively new comes up.

Yes, I am new to this site (thanks to people who put the welcome msg up), but I am not nieve to think that maybe copies were made, officially or unofficially.

Is there a freedom of information act in Portugal ? Would be nice to try and get footage.

I just want to find anything more that might further discredit these two liars, and hopefully push things along to get the whole case opened up again. I am driven by their coldness when they were first interviewed. If anything, they were looking 'anxious' and a tad nervous, rather than as you expect, distraught. I just 'know' they are lying, with every interview they do.

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Post by jd on 08.02.13 3:25

@Rob_CCTV wrote:

If ever CCTV footage becomes available to help prove what really happened, I'd be glad to assist. I am a forensic image analysis specialist. I'd be willing to be your nominated 'expert', for free, if it comes to proving what these parents did.Whilst I recognise that most CCTV systems will be long-erased by now, I put my original comment up here in case any archived footage that is effectively new comes up.

Yes, I am new to this site (thanks to people who put the welcome msg up), but I am not nieve to think that maybe copies were made, officially or unofficially.

Is there a freedom of information act in Portugal ? Would be nice to try and get footage.

I just want to find anything more that might further discredit these two liars, and hopefully push things along to get the whole case opened up again. I am driven by their coldness when they were first interviewed. If anything, they were looking 'anxious' and a tad nervous, rather than as you expect, distraught. I just 'know' they are lying, with every interview they do.

Are you going to analyse the CCTV footage that there is which I posted up for you? What is your verdict from your expertise in this field?

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PARAISO.htm




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Post by aiyoyo on 08.02.13 4:49

@russiandoll wrote:the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

Clarence Mitchell
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Just done my bit for Anglo-Icelandic relations. Sheep's head, ram's testicles and buried, dried shark. Need a beer

If only he had a pair of ram's testicles transplanted onto himself perhaps he would then possess an organ which otherwise was missing, and have the balls to tell the truth! Or maybe he's eaten a sheep's brain which will only enhance his baa....baa.....ing talent!

Let's see when the verdict is out what he will do.
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Post by tigger on 08.02.13 8:12

@aiyoyo wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:the pink one far away from a UK courtroom at the minute.....

Clarence Mitchell
‏@mitch_1uk


Just done my bit for Anglo-Icelandic relations. Sheep's head, ram's testicles and buried, dried shark. Need a beer

If only he had a pair of ram's testicles transplanted onto himself perhaps he would then possess an organ which otherwise was missing, and have the balls to tell the truth! Or maybe he's eaten a sheep's brain which will only enhance his baa....baa.....ing talent!

Let's see when the verdict is out what he will do.

@RD If that's a genuine tweet from CM then he's been had! Perhaps the Icelanders had heard about him? winkwink

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Post by plebgate on 08.02.13 9:02

He still sounds like a prat to me.

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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 11:21

@Inspectorfrost wrote:The only CCTV I have read mentioned is at the Estrela da Luz hotel which is near where the Smiths saw a man carrying a child and where Mr Amaral believed they would have been captured. But by the time the tapes were asked for (presumably after the Smiths coming forward) the tapes had been wiped over.

I read that you can still retrieve deleted images, but if a tape is recorded over then it is very difficult or impossible, depending on various factors, to retrieve older data.

Portugal like many other countries do not have cctv on every corner. In a way its a blessing, in another it could prove vital.

PS I vaguely remember reading something about the main reception having a camera but was pointed towards safety deposit boxes? I don't remember what the conversation or context of that was.

If MW had CCTV directed at safetyboxes, maybe there were pictures of T7 putting things like GSMs, watches, wallets, car keys exetera in them?

And of retrieving them at any time before departure.
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