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Post by Doug D on 04.10.17 11:59

Operation Conifer: Mike Veale ‘appalled’ by previous cover-ups over child sexual abuse
 

 
Boat boy: Sir Edward Heath, former prime minister

04.10.17

By Mark Watts

Wiltshire Police’s chief constable is “sick to death” of repeated past failures to investigate prominent people for child sexual abuse properly.
Mike Veale has told friends that he is “appalled” by the discoveries of ‘Operation Conifer’, his force’s national investigation into allegations against Sir Edward Heath, former prime minister.

More than 30 people have come forward to Operation Conifer to claim that Ted Heath sexually abused them as children. Investigators found that several of them had long ago made complaints to police forces around the country, but officers had failed to follow them up properly.
A source close to Veale said: “He was appalled. He was just sick to death of people covering up for people.”

The disclosure helps explain why Veale has remained resolute despite intense public and private pressure to drop the operation.
A second friend of Veale said that the chief constable was feeling “persecuted”.

Friends and former colleagues of Heath insist that he is innocent.

Wiltshire Police is due to publish a summary report on Thursday. I revealed last month how police delayed publication of Operation Conifer’s summary report to avoid overshadowing the Conservative party conference with its conclusion that detectives would interview Heath under caution if he were still alive.

A third source said: “Mike knows that he is going to have a shit storm.”

I can reveal today:


  • Operation Conifer received evidence that Heath sexually abused under-age girls as well as boys, although it has many more male complainants;
  • police whistleblowers came forward to Veale to allege repeated past failures to investigate child sexual abuse properly;
  • the National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) conducted a review of Operation Conifer and found it to have been proportionate and justified.


The NPCC carried out its review via ‘Operation Hydrant’, which co-ordinates investigations into allegations against prominent people of child sexual abuse.

Operation Hydrant, headed by another chief constable, Simon Bailey, of Norfolk Constabulary, asked Wiltshire Police in 2015 to lead the national investigation into Heath after more than a dozen police forces launched their own cases in response to people who came forward.

Meanwhile, the picture above of Heath in a small sailing boat with what appears to be a teenage boy and an adult male has emerged. It is not thought to have been published before, but is understood to have been taken in Jersey in 1972, while Heath was prime minister. Its copyright owner is unknown. Anyone with information about the picture is asked to come forward.

Despite claims that Heath never drove, Operation Conifer found that he owned two cars. I can also reveal that it discovered that he had two sets of numbers plates for one of them, and can find no explanation for this irregular arrangement.

Operation Conifer’s summary report says that officers would need to carry out further investigative work if Heath were still alive, according to well-placed sources.

This includes interviewing Heath under caution in relation to seven men who came forward to allege sexual abuse. Officers regard another two witnesses as only just falling short of that threshold.

The third source said: “They are being ultra-cautious.”

Many of the other complainants suffer mental health problems. Although officers believe the vast majority of them, they conclude that all but a few could not withstand going through the criminal-justice system.

Their view underlines a continuing prejudice against survivors of child sexual abuse, especially those attacked by prominent people.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) published guidance that touches on this issue in 2013, which says: “It is recognised that some adult victims of childhood sexual abuse may suffer severe mental health problems as a result of their experience and may never be able to give evidence in court. However, it should not be overlooked that they may have important information which might be of assistance in supporting the account given by other victim(s) against the same offender(s).”

The first source said that officers recognised that this guidance applies to many of their witnesses, saying: “Many are, inevitably, very damaged by the very abuse about which they are complaining.”

The summary report details at length the procedures used to investigate the allegations, especially from the seven most credible witnesses.

http://www.foiacentre.com/news-Edward-Heath-Mike-Veale.html
 
https://www.byline.com/column/73/article/1859
  
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'Never drove' but there is a regularly published photo of him climbing into the drivers seat in an old Rover.

'Two sets of number plates for one of the cars'. Even CM would have trouble spinning that one!

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Post by willowthewisp on 04.10.17 15:17

Also in the driving position to go into a"Common Market"where he may have been duped into that process,but the UK has thought to have paid into the European Slush Fund,£500 billion in the forty Four years of membership,it is thought the European Union want another £100 Billion severance payment from the UK before Brexit happens?
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Post by Doug D on 05.10.17 12:58


 

 
Three reports from The Guardian:

Child abuse claims against Edward Heath: key points of police report
 
Police say former PM would have been interviewed under caution about allegations if he were alive


• Ted Heath would have been questioned over seven abuse claims, police say
• Edward Heath: whiff of scandal still surrounds enigmatic leader
Steven Morris and Vikram Dodd
Thursday 5 October 2017 11.00 BST
 
Main points from the Operation Conifer report:
In the case of seven individual disclosures, if Sir Edward Heath had been alive he would have been interviewed under caution in order to obtain his account in relation to the allegations made against him.
The disclosures where Heath would have been interviewed under caution to gain an account are:
1961: Heath allegedly raped and indecently assaulted an 11-year-old boy during a paid sexual encounter in a private dwelling. London.
1962: Heath in the company of an unknown male allegedly indecently assaulted a 10-year-old boy during a chance encounter in a public place. Kent.
c1964: Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old male during three paid sexual encounters. Sussex and London.
1967: Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a 15-year-old male not known to him in private during a chance encounter in a public building. Guernsey.
1976: Heath allegedly indecently assaulted over clothing an adult male during a chance encounter at a public event. Jersey.
c1992: Heath allegedly indecently assaulted an adult male after consent was withdrawn in what had been a paid consensual sexual encounter in a hotel. Wiltshire.
Between 1990 and 1992: Heath allegedly indecently assaulted a boy aged between 12 and 14 not known to him during a chance encounter in private gardens. Wiltshire. The report said he would have been interviewed under caution over this allegation, BUT there is undermining evidence. 

  • In the case of 19 individual disclosures it has been concluded that there is undermining information available such that the threshold to interview under caution would not be met.

The report adds:


  • Where it is concluded that if he had still been alive Heath would have been interviewed under caution to gain an account, it is emphasised that his account would be as important as other evidence gathered as part of the wider investigation. Accordingly it is critical to stress that no inference of guilt should be drawn from the fact that Heath would have been interviewed under caution.

It says:


  • It is clearly inappropriate to speculate what Heath’s response would have been in relation to the allegations put to him under caution in an interview. His account would have informed the next stages of the investigation strategy and investigators would have looked to check and test his account against the other available evidence.
  • In the case of a living suspect, at the conclusion of the police investigation the senior investigating officer would consider all available evidence and make a decision as to whether submit a file to the Crown Prosecution Service. If relevant, the CPS would consider whether there was sufficient evidence to bring criminal charges.

The report also reveals that:

  • During Operation Conifer, three people were arrested in relation to offences concerning alleged non-recent child abuse. Two were later released without charge and the third remains under police investigation. The allegations were not directly related to Heath.
  • Wiltshire police have made three referrals to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC). Each relates to alleged non-recent failings in the way Wiltshire police dealt with information raising potential concerns about Heath. No evidence was found to substantiate the concerns raised.

Cost:


  • 24 people worked on Operation Conifer in total. No more than 20 worked on it at any one time. The total cost of the two-year operation is £1.4m.

Some numbers:


  • 1,580 investigative lines of inquiry were generated.
  • 1,062 officers’ reports were generated as a result of investigative activity.
  • 284 statements were taken or reviewed.
  • Three people unconnected to Heath were arrested for offences related to child abuse.

As part of Operation Conifer, inquiries were made with:


  • Sex workers.
  • A survivors’ group.
  • The military.
  • Close protection police officers.
  • Government drivers.
  • Wiltshire police officers involved in security operations at Heath’s home, Arundells, in Salisbury.
  • Household staff at Arundells.
  • Nurses who attended Heath.
  • People connected to Heath’s boats.
  • Other police forces.
  • The Foreign and Commonwealth Office.
  • The Home Office.
  • The Cabinet Office.
  • UK security and intelligence agencies.
  • National archives.
  • Bodleian Libraries.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/05/child-abuse-claims-edward-heath-key-points-police-report
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Ted Heath would have been questioned over seven abuse claims, police say
 
Police report into claims Heath sexually abused children says former PM would have been interviewed under criminal caution had he still been alive
Vikram Dodd and Steven Morris
Thursday 5 October 2017 11.31 BST
 
The police report into claims Sir Edward Heath sexually abused children says that seven allegations of rape and sexual assault would have merited his interview under criminal caution had he still been alive.
The claims against Heath that would have merited interview under caution span 31 years. The alleged rape is claimed to have occurred in 1961 with the alleged victim being 11 years old. 
Heath was then MP for Bexley and the lord privy seal. The report says the alleged incident happened within the London area covered by the Metropolitan police. The report says: “Sir Edward Heath allegedly raped and indecently assaulted a male, aged 11 years, during a paid sexual encounter in private in a dwelling.”
One offence of sexual abuse is alleged to have occurred in 1967 while Heath was leader the Conservative party; another when he was trade minister in 1964. None occurred while he was prime minister between 1970 and 1974, while two of the alleged offences occurred after that.
The report says the allegations received in seven cases led to Heath’s “suspected involvement in an offence” and thus the former prime minister would need to have been interviewed under criminal caution. 
The report says: “Further to a proportionate investigation reasonable grounds exist that, if Sir Edward Heath had been alive today, he would have been interviewed under caution regarding his suspected involvement in an offence.”
The report says that if he had still been alive and interviewed under caution “it is emphasised that his account would be as important as other evidence gathered as part of the wider investigation.
“Accordingly it is critical to stress that no inference of guilty should be drawn from the fact that Heath would have been interviewed under caution.”
Heath became leader of the Conservative party in 1965. In 1970 he defied opinion polls to win a surprise general election victory and become prime minister. His four years in office were dogged by industrial strife, with his biggest achievement being Britain’s entry into the European economic community. 
After defeat at the polls in 1974 he soon lost the Tory leadership to Margaret thatcher. He never married and his private life was the subject of speculation, some of which was lurid. Heath was a skilled yachtsman and pianist in his spare time. 
The offences that would have merited an interview were allegedly committed against four boys aged between 10 and 15 years, and two men. In one case, police say there was some undermining evidence but that the politician should have been questioned anyway.
Inquiries into the claims were led by the Wiltshire police on behalf of 14 forces who received claims from Heath alleging that the former prime minister had carried out acts of sexual abuse.
 
Heath was also alleged by complainants to police to have carried out crimes in 1962 in Kent against a boy aged 10 in a public place following a chance encounter. One offence in 1964 against a boy aged 15 is alleged to have happened while Heath was secretary of state for trade and industry.
Two offences, in 1976 and 1992, occurred after Heath had served as the seventh post-war prime minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
The investigation into Heath over claims of child sexual abuse started in August 2015. It was led by the Wiltshire force as his Salisbury home was in the area they cover. The investigation was codenamed Operation Conifer. The allegations it received came from various places in the country and dated back decades.
Wiltshire police said they received a total of 42 allegations relating to 40 separate individuals. The claims made covered 14 different police force areas in the UK and the Channel Islands and covered a period from 1956 to 1992. All were alleged to have happened when Heath was an MP. They related to physical as well as sexual abuse. 
Wiltshire police chief constable Mike Veale described the Heath inquiry as a “watershed” moment. “This watershed moment regarding investigations of people connected to the establishment should not be underestimated.”
In a statement supporters of Heath criticised the police report. Lord Hunt of Wirral, chair of the Sir Edward Heath Charitable Foundation, and Lord Armstrong of Ilminster, former cabinet secretary and PPS to Heath while he was prime minister, said: “The Wiltshire police report is profoundly unsatisfactory because it neither justifies nor dispels the cloud of suspicion.
“It contains a summary of the investigation, but draws no conclusion as to Sir Edward’s guilt although during the investigation the chief constable was heard to express, as he certainly should not have done, his personal view that Sir Edward Heath was probably guilty.
“As Sir Edward is dead, justice requires that there should be a quasi-judicial process as a substitute for the judicial process. This could be in the form of an independent review by a retired judge, with unrestricted access to all the evidence collected by the Wiltshire police. In the meantime, a fundamental, time-honoured principle should be respected, namely that a man is innocent until he is proven guilty.”
The investigation has received intense and sustained criticism. In December 2016 Veale, was stung into a vehement denunciation of the criticism.
Veale denied the investigation into Heath was a “fishing expedition” or “witch hunt” and vowed not to bow to “unacceptable” media pressure.
The report made public Thursday is not the full version. That will go to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse set up by the government. 
Veale believed the fact Heath had risen to the top of the British establishment meant police were under a duty to investigate, to try and prove or disprove the allegations.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/05/ted-heath-would-have-been-questioned-over-seven-abuse-claims-police-say
 
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Edward Heath: whiff of scandal still surrounds enigmatic leader
The lifelong bachelor, Britain’s prime minister from 1970 to 1974, was dogged by scurrilous gossip for much of his career
• Ted Heath would have been questioned over seven abuse claims, police say
• Child abuse claims against Edward Heath: key points of police report
Rajeev Syal
Thursday 5 October 2017 11.00 BST
 
For most of the last century, Conservative prime ministers were upper class, clubbable men who were expected to marry a suitably respectable woman as part of their job description. Edward Heath altered the blueprint. The son of a maid and a carpenter, he could be aloof from colleagues and disliked schmoozing with dignitaries. 
But it was his decision to remain a bachelor and withhold any public indication of an interest in sex that fuelled 50 years of speculation about a secret gay life. Twelve years after his death, his sexual preferences are once again the subject of intense speculation.
Instead of claims that Heath was gay, Wiltshire police have investigated accusations that he was a paedophile whose crimes were covered up by establishment figures. Family and friends of the late premier have vehemently denied the allegations, saying he had little if any active interest in sex. 
Born in 1916 and brought up in Broadstairs in Kent between the wars, Heath was self-contained and studious with a talent for music, according to fellow pupils at Chatham Grammar school. At Balliol College Oxford, Heath threw himself into student politics. Contemporaries said he had little time for socialising and seemed sexually ambivalent, if not a little naive.
According to the late Labour chancellor Denis Healey, a fellow student, Heath was noticeably shocked when told on a June afternoon that mutual acquaintances were probably in a sexual relationship. “Ted looked at me and said: ‘I can’t imagine anyone in the Conservative Association doing that,’” Healey told the documentary maker Michael Cockerell.
Heath rose through the party after the war, entering parliament as the MP for Bexley in Kent in 1950, and was elected Tory leader in 1965. He was chosen in part because of his lower-middle-class origins as the party sought to dent the popularity of Labour leader Harold Wilson. 
Across Westminster, MPs shared unsubstantiated stories that Heath had been involved in an “incident” with a man at the beginning of the war.
 
During elections against Wilson in 1966, 1970, 1974 and 1975, the Tories suspected that Labour sought slyly to contrast the family man image of Wilson with that of the single bachelor Heath. Private Eye magazine referred to him as “Sailor Ted”, a reference to his love of yachting, but also an allusion to his alleged sexuality.
There were no “out” lesbian or gay politicians in parliament at the time, and anyone who was exposed for being lesbian or gay could expect to be hounded out of their job. Senior Tories encouraged Heath to marry. When that failed, they encouraged Heath’s female friends to marry Heath instead.
Sir Tufton Beamish, an executive member of the 1922 committee, was dispatched to meet Heath’s close friend the concert pianist Moura Lympany in the early 1970s. Lympany told Cockerell that Beamish asked if she might marry the prime minister. She replied that she was in love with someone else.
Heath gained his only victory over Wilson in 1970 and made history by overseeing the decimalisation of UK money and taking the country into the Common Market. However, he struggled to impose discipline over some Tory MPs or the unions. 
His downfall came in 1974 after he called an unnecessary election which resulted in a hung parliament followed by a minority Labour government. The following year, Margaret Thatcher successfully challenged Heath for the party’s leadership, an act that Heath regarded as treacherous.
Heath’s refusal to work closely with or forgive Thatcher for the next 25 years became known as “the longest sulk in history”. 
Heath remained in parliament until 2001 and died four years later. In 2007, Brian Coleman, a Conservative member of the London Assembly, told the Times that Heath was warned to stop cruising for sex in public lavatories. However, no supporting evidence has been found to substantiate the claim.
Michael McManus, an author of a book on the Conservative party’s attitude towards gay rights who worked for Heath for five years, wrote that his former employer “was a gay man who had sacrificed his personal life to his political career, exercising iron self-control and living a celibate existence”.
Heath declined to talk about his personal life until his death, insisting that it was “not something one should talk about.” What is certain is that the private life of one of Britain’s most enigmatic prime ministers is still under intense scrutiny, more than 100 years after his birth. 
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/05/edward-heath-scandal-allegations-enigmatic-leader

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Post by willowthewisp on 05.10.17 13:37

In regard to the Operation Conifer report and the Conservative Party Conference?

The Conservative Prime minister Theresa May came in for an awful amount of stick with regard to the speech at the conference,credit must be given to battle on when not in the best of health,but for an upstart comedienne(P45) from Boris to Theresa,the security officials were to blame,not the Prime minister,then an F falls from the sign?

Theresa May continued with her conquest to bring about an end to the awful amount of"allegations"towards MP's,Lords from the other Chamber"with regard to the IICSA Inquiry.
Theresa May must be given credit for her continued promise to expose the wrongfully named person's,from the proposed Guilty parties?
Perhaps this is the reason why people from within her own Party are not as loyal as they once where amongst the Conservative whips,which can be proven by previous recorded highlights,speeches from the past?
This clearly highlights that certain parties had in fact chosen to go to the"Whips"for support when they were about to be revealed for what they were,Abusers of Minors,but then "Black Mailed" into the franchise procedures they had to follow on Party Lines,Democracy?
Jim Gamble must be doing some muttering under his breath in regard to Theresa May continuing to bring about changes of proposed guilty persons being revealed by IICSA,Operation Grange,Misconduct In Public Office,which isn't just about Police Officers,eh Mr Cameron?
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Post by polyenne on 06.10.17 8:48

What were they going to do, dig him up and prop him up in the dock ?
Ridiculous waste of public funds yet again

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Post by Doug D on 06.10.17 11:05

Absolutely no mention of the report on last nights BBC  front pages show and The Independent’s front page:
 
‘The PM and the paedophilia allegations’
 
 together with a large photo of Heath was a notable absentee, both last night and also today from the front pages shown on the BBC website.
 
The only other reports to actually make make the front pages are a small snip in the Telegraph:
 
‘Heath police chief makes cover-up claim’
 
and The Times, two inches across the top, but not with a bold headline:
 
‘Police chief in Heath enquiry revives Whitehall conspiracy’.
 
The BBC does make comment in the highlights after the front page pictures and mentions The Guardian, which has nothing on the front page but a two page spread on page 6 and a half page comment towards the back.

Avoiding the Independent completely can only be a policy decision by the BBC to try to minimalise public consumption of the story, which has successfully been hidden under May's other woes.

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Post by willowthewisp on 06.10.17 13:42

@Doug D wrote:Absolutely no mention of the report on last nights BBC  front pages show and The Independent’s front page:
 
‘The PM and the paedophilia allegations’
 
 together with a large photo of Heath was a notable absentee, both last night and also today from the front pages shown on the BBC website.
 
The only other reports to actually make make the front pages are a small snip in the Telegraph:
 
‘Heath police chief makes cover-up claim’
 
and The Times, two inches across the top, but not with a bold headline:
 
‘Police chief in Heath enquiry revives Whitehall conspiracy’.
 
The BBC does make comment in the highlights after the front page pictures and mentions The Guardian, which has nothing on the front page but a two page spread on page 6 and a half page comment towards the back.

Avoiding the Independent completely can only be a policy decision by the BBC to try to minimalise public consumption of the story, which has successfully been hidden under May's other woes.
Hi DougD,News Night,Emily Maitless,had Harvey Proctor,a Professor and a Former Police NAPAC Woman discuss the Ted Heath,Operation Conifer case,Mr Richard Henriques name was banded about? 
Harvey Proctor has proposed an,Independent Judge to re-investigate or review Operation Conifer findings,as the Police had only carried out an expediated inquiry,so the inquiry was carried out too quickly eh Harvey,didn't reveal enough evidence then?  
Apparently the Professor was not happy with Wiltshire Police Force,Mike Veale on the selection of the accusations,as Eighty persons had not been evaluated to have reached a level of decision of being abused,according to the Professor?
Surely you can only either been Abused or Not abused by someone,not a level of abuse?
Do not get me wrong,if Harvey Proctor or any person is innocent of child abuse it is a serious point that must be considered,is he being targeted for his"Sexuality" on his past History to certain places that have been assimilated to places where child abuse was thought to have been carried out,the old,"There's No Smoke,without Fire"Trojan Horse" method?
Which then brings out a Mute Point,If the Police had evidence form the original Police Investigations from years ago,but decided on "their Opinion"or MI5/6 personnel had confiscated the evidence,then why didn't they make a Record in any log Book available to them to decipher,who had took the evidence away,but they failed to do that,so they may have deliberately failed in their duties to properly investigate the Crimes committed by heinous people?
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Post by Doug D on 08.10.17 9:08

Bit of a washy article which doesn’t really explain why ‘Mr Vaz’s approach (was) “highly unusual” and “highly inappropriate”.’ unless we are just supposed to read between the lines and the Mirror’s lawyers have interceded to stop them publishing something that would be likely to end up in Court. 
 
As Chair of the HASC I would have thought he was entitled to ask some questions of the investigation, but whether these went beyond the realms of any normal HASC remit and more into areas of personal interest is not apparent.
 
I also thought that the HASC published their correspondence on line, redacted where necessary, but again this does not seem immediately available.
 
MP Keith Vaz asked top cop 'highly inappropriate' questions about Ted Heath sex abuse probe
 
Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Mr Veale believes Labour MP Mr Vaz wanted "to know the operational detail and reasons for investigating" the former Tory PM
 
By Dan Warburton Mark Watts 22:09, 7 OCT 2017 Updated22:34, 7 OCT 2017
 
Keith Vaz contacted the cop probing Ted Heath over sex abuse claims to ask why he was investigating the late ­former PM.
 
Mike Veale claimed Labour MP Mr Vaz wrote in the “early stages” of the inquiry requesting operational details of the controversial probe.
 
Mr Veale dismissed the letter, saying the inquiry into 40 individuals’ claims against Sir Edward was independent of political influence.
 
Mr Veale branded Mr Vaz’s approach “highly unusual” and “highly inappropriate”.
 
He also claimed he was warned he could lose his job over the probe, which concluded that the Tory , if alive, would have been quizzed over alleged abuse of a 10-year-old boy.
 
Wiltshire Police Chief Constable Mr Veale, who led Operation Conifer, said: “I think what he was saying was, ‘I want to know the operational detail and reasons for investigating Sir Edward Heath’.
 
 “Probably the best way to summarise it was, ‘The man is dead’. I replied with something along the lines of, ‘We’re going to continue to do the right thing’.
“I insisted, ‘I’m going to make decisions because I am an operationally independent chief constable and any influence from any ­politician of any denomination is highly unusual, highly inappropriate and would be resisted at all costs’.”
 
Mr Vaz was chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee when he wrote to Mr Veale about the two-year £1.5million probe.
 
But Mr Vaz stood down after the Sunday Mirror revealed the married father-of-two paid two male escorts for sex at his London flat.
 
It is not the first time he has intervened.
 
In 2015, Sir Cliff Richard ’s lawyers accused the Home Affairs Committee and its chair, Mr Vaz, of unfairly causing “extremely damaging” media coverage.
 
It followed the release of a letter Mr Vaz received in which officers revealed the probe into an allegation against the singer of child sex abuse has “increased significantly”.
 
Sir Cliff denied the allegations and police took no further action.
 
Mr Veale insisted that he would never buckle to private or public pressure over the investigation probing Sir Edward’s ­activities over 50 years.
 
He added: “Someone told me very early on in this investigation, and I don’t want to be overdramatic, that: ‘You do realise, Mike, you could lose your job over this’.
“My response was, ‘So be it. But I will continue to do the right thing.’”
 
Mr Veale’s report found Sir Ted would have been quizzed over seven individuals’ claims of sexual abuse.
 
They include claims an 11-year-old boy, now 66, was raped in 1961 in London “in a paid encounter”.
 
It was also alleged a rent boy, aged 15, was indecently assaulted in Kent during three paid sexual encounters in 1964, while Sir Edward was Secretary of State for Industry and Trade.
 
Angry supporters of Sir Edward, who died in 2005 aged 89 at his Salisbury home, slammed the ­Wiltshire Police report.
 
Mr Veale has admitted he misjudged the pressure he would face over the investigation. He said: “I think I underestimated the amount of scrutiny, and the challenge, the complexities, and the political sensitivities.
 
“But ultimately I can look at you right in the eye and say we have operated with utter dignity, utter respect. We’ve maintained an absolute integrity in what we’ve done and what we’ve said, how we operated and how we’ve investigated.”
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/mp-keith-vaz-asked-top-11305505

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Part 2 of the interview is to run sometime next week, so whether this will add a bit more substance to the claim remains to be seen.

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Post by willowthewisp on 08.10.17 19:51

Keith Vaz has an awful lot of explanation to do with his prominent role in backing a fomer Lord from the House of Commons albeit that they both represent different Boroughs in Leicestershire?
Mr Vaz was on his feet giving a standing Ovation within the House of Commons to a then Labour MP Granvelle Janner,Mr Janner had Leicestershire Police force formally investigate Mr Frank Beck on child abuse allegations.
It was proved later on in Court that Mr Beck had carried out abuse to children,when Mr beck was appealing the Court decision on their findings,Mr beck suffered a Fatal Heart attack and his solicitor died in a mysterious Hit & run Accident?
Alison Saunders and the CPS had Richard Henriques take a prominent role into the Original allegations,Mr Henriques determined that Mr Granvelle Janner should have been prosecuted for the original allegations of Child abuse,which then beggars the question as to why the Police acted impartially towards the accused Frank Beck but let Mr Janner go free from the allegations against him,eh Mr Beck,one rule for one set of persons,eh Mr Vaz?
Care to enlighten yourself of how you claimed expenses from your parents House whilst claiming expenses from the House of commons register,eh Keith?
Oily Keith will only be happy when he is made Speaker to the House of Commons,if that happens, would the last person alive in Britain Turn out the lights,because democracy will be dead and buried if that Parasite gains that position in the Den of ill repute?
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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.17 13:49

Rochdale inquiry: 'Wider abuse' beyond Cyril Smith claims

Investigations into alleged sex offences by late politician Cyril Smith "illuminated" wider abuse suffered by boys in care, an inquiry heard.
The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) is examining how the Liberal MP was allegedly able to target boys in Rochdale institutions.
The allegations relate to Cambridge House Boys' Hostel and Knowl View School, where Mr Smith was a governor.
Smith was the subject of sex abuse claims over decades during his career.
He was never prosecuted and received a knighthood before his death in 2010.

In his opening statement, counsel to the inquiry Brian Altman QC said: "I emphasise that this is not an investigation into Cyril Smith.
"This is an investigation into the the allegations of sexual abuse and exploitation of children residing at or attending Cambridge House Boys' Hostel, Knowl View House and other institutions where their placement was arranged or provided by Rochdale Borough Council."

'Protected by establishment'

But the public interest in Smith's alleged offending allowed a wider pattern of abuse to come to light, he added.
He said: "The decision to embark upon this investigation was in part a response to the public concern that some politicians including Cyril Smith were involved in child sexual abuse and able to abuse with impunity because they were protected by the establishment.
"In many ways, it illuminated the day-to-day experiences of children that would have gone unexamined."

The three weeks of evidence hearings began with chairwoman Alexis Jay thanking the core participants for their assistance, some of whom claimed to have been abused by Smith.
She said: "We are conscious of the great challenges that many of you have encountered as a result of your experiences as children."
Mr Altman added: "Society and culture may have changed but many people whose lives were forever blighted by the abuse they suffered have understandably been unable to move on and they continue to seek justice.
"These events did not happened so long ago as to consign them to history."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41547471

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Post by willowthewisp on 09.10.17 16:16

Get'emGonçalo wrote:MI5 were told about allegations of lies in decision not to prosecute Cyril Smith, inquiry told

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/cyril-smith-inquiry-police-evidence-13736815
HI GGG,what needs to happen is for Parliament,to be condemned as unfit for Human Habitation,Retrieve all of the Information,which is now property of the State?  Then have mysterious figures approach the building like they did in Germany,when the Building catches fire to the building blaming the  old wiring,claim on the Insurance Policy,blaming guy Fawkes ghost?
all the alleged Paedophiles will think they've got away scot free,only for the Evidence be produced to Prosecute those who are still alive,No matter who they are or where,but that'll never happen,they couldn't grow a pair big enough to proceed that way,either way there is going to be anarchy,when the pot boils over?
To think that these Parasites have abused the Trust of the UK electorate for all those years,when they have been interfering with Children,trying to pass legislation to have sexual relations to minors of Ten to Twelve years of age,PIE from the 1970's,utter scum the lot of them,talking in ever so well mannered meaning,but so full of shit??
Harriett Harmen supposedly related to David Cameron,Cameron's Mother in Law,Lady astor,original Denning inquiry 2064,Bojo cousin to Dave,Zach Goldsmith Related to Diana Spencer,Prince William,Kate,cousins ,via Kates Mum,A Goldsmith?
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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.17 16:21



Don't they make "lovely" couples?



Stick it in your family.... album! 


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Post by willowthewisp on 09.10.17 16:40

@sallypelt wrote:

Don't they make "lovely" couples?



Stick it in your family.... album! 

Hi Sallypelt,but who fixed it for who?
Saville(Teeth imprints,Ripper?),Broad Moor,with friends Peter Sutcliffe,Ian Brady,via our Edwina,John Major?
Haute De La Gurane,wher Jimmy claimed never to have set foot in until they produced the Photograph,Edward?
ah the wonderful Liberal Democrats,Jeremy Thorpe,Norman Scott,Cyril Smith, Clement Freud,what about the Vice Prime Minister,you know worked for years under the special guidance of Leon Britain,very quickly exiting from outside of Parliament when confronted by Sonia Poulton,Bill Maloney,Pie and Mash Films,child abuse?
Oh what at an atmosphere sung by Russell?
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Post by sallypelt on 09.10.17 17:20

@willowthewisp wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:

Don't they make "lovely" couples?



Stick it in your family.... album! 

Hi Sallypelt,but who fixed it for who?
Saville(Teeth imprints,Ripper?),Broad Moor,with friends Peter Sutcliffe,Ian Brady,via our Edwina,John Major?
Haute De La Gurane,wher Jimmy claimed never to have set foot in until they produced the Photograph,Edward?
ah the wonderful Liberal Democrats,Jeremy Thorpe,Norman Scott,Cyril Smith, Clement Freud,what about the Vice Prime Minister,you know worked for years under the special guidance of Leon Britain,very quickly exiting from outside of Parliament when confronted by Sonia Poulton,Bill Maloney,Pie and Mash Films,child abuse?
Oh what at an atmosphere sung by Russell?
And Willow, don't forget Ted "I've never driven a car" Heath spin

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Post by Doug D on 09.10.17 21:46

Can’t find source or 4 attached documents at moment, but interesting in itself:
 
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MI5 LETTER TO Alexis Jay ‪@MarkWatts_1 ‪@ciabaudo
 

 
 
   
10:40 AM - 9 Oct 2017

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So MI5 admitting that the Smith part of the Rochdale enquiry needs to be widened & that they have more relevant information.


eta:


Eight pages of documents filed today. The above can be found at:
 
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/2690/view/INQ000975_001.pdf
 
I don’t think the four attached pages which follow add much.

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Post by Doug D on 09.10.17 22:41

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/2689/view/INQ000975_003.pdf
  
Document dated April 1979 states that there may have been a South African involvement ‘some years ago’ in which it had been suggested that they were trying to obtain compromising information about political figures, with innuendo that Smith was involved,hence the involvement of MI5 presumably.

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Post by Doug D on 11.10.17 9:29

A few shocking snippets from yesterdays hearing transcripts:


  1. 1.     Question 3: the records and witness statements indicate that complaints against Cyril Smith of child abuse were made in 1960, 1964, 1965 and 1966. Why were these complaints not acted upon by social workers and by police? If any of those complaints had been acted upon effectively, it is likely that Cyril Smith would have been prevented from continuing his career as a child sexual abuser.


  2. Question 4: why did the wardens allow Cyril Smith to beat up a grief-stricken 11-year-old boy who had been brought into Cambridge House in emergency care because his grandmother had died two days earlier and his mother had been taken into a mental healthcare facility the day before? Why did the warden stand by when Cyril Smith assaulted this child so badly that he required hospital treatment for two broken teeth and laceration to the head which required two stitches? Why did the care worker from Cambridge House who took him to hospital instruct this boy to lie about how the injury had occurred and then the care worker himself took over and lied to the hospital staff? Why did the social worker to whom this child immediately complained assert that  there was "no big man" at Cambridge House, therefore he could not be telling the truth? Why did the Bolton Borough Police, which was at that time not within Lancashire Police jurisdiction, fail to act when this boy, as soon as he left Cambridge House, courageously showed up at the police station to show his injuries and ask for help? At the age of 11, he went there on his own. He then, when he found out who the big man was, Cyril Smith, returned at age 13 to complain again. Nothing happened. We see here the first whiffs of a coverup. If this boy's complaints had been taken seriously, it is very likely that Cyril Smith would have been prevented from accessing Cambridge House again. But instead, in 1966, we see that Cyril Smith became Mayor of Rochdale and was awarded an MBE; ironically, in retrospect, for his services to youth. Now, the questions we have about the 1969 to 1970 Lancashire Police investigation and the decision not to prosecute by the CPS are as follows. What we see is that finally, in 1969, the Lancashire Police learned of Cyril Smith's abusive activities from one young man whom they were interviewing in connection with offences he was suspected of committing, and at last the persistent  rumours about Cyril Smith in Rochdale being too interested in young boys received serious attention from the authorities. Lancashire Police launched a police investigation  which we say was exemplary. It was thorough, it was fearless, in the face of threats, intimidation and obstruction by Cyril Smith and his political allies, including from the leader of the local Liberal Party. The police investigation was transferred to very senior police officers, given this intimidation and obstruction, and their work was characterised by an enlightened understanding of the dynamics of the power/vulnerability imbalance which silences victims.  We say that this investigation was exemplary not only by the standards of 1970, but also by the standards of 2017. Those senior officers made a very strong recommendation to the Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Norman Skelhorn, that Cyril Smith be charged with  sexual offences against eight young men whilst they were16  boys. Now, the police submitted an 88-page dossier, and, as Mr Altman said yesterday, very swiftly the DPP, in  a perfunctory letter, refused to prosecute, completely  disregarding the detailed analysis of the evidence by the Lancashire Police.  Now, we say that this decision, on its face, was  fundamentally flawed. The DPP, oddly, did not understand the law of corroboration. He makes no  reference to the longstanding doctrine of similar fact evidence, which had obvious potential application. The DPP completely disregarded the plausible reasons for the delay in reporting noted by the police, including that the boys were terrified of Cyril Smith, known as "Mr Rochdale", and did not feel they could come forward until they had grown up. And the DPP considered that the complainants lacked credibility because of what he termed "their character", which rendered their evidence suspect.  This completely disregards the fact that the police  had ruled out collusion. Even Smith himself, in his  interview in January, had not claimed there was a conspiracy. And that the complaints dated from 1961  through to 1967 with two complainants who had not been at Cambridge House. Moreover, most of the boys did not have any police record at all. So he basically  blackened the reputations of the complainants. Now, in terms of the subsequent investigations, we say that the Lancashire Police were courageous in trying to restart the investigations against Cyril Smith in 1998 and 1999, at a time when Cyril Smith was supposedly the most popular politician in England. But, once  again, they were thwarted by the CPS in two decisions  which we say again were fundamentally flawed in their understanding and application of the law. That is notwithstanding that a Senior Crown Advocate in 2012  again concluded that those decisions could not be faulted in the law. These were the last opportunities to prosecute Cyril Smith before he died in 2010. So our questions for the Rochdale and, if appropriate, the Westminster inquiries are, question 5: how many investigations were conducted into alleged wrongdoing by Cyril Smith in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s and perhaps even later? The  records disclosed suggest that there were at least  several.

  3. Question 6: how did Cyril Smith manage to escape prosecution so many times throughout his lifetime? Was  he protected by powerful political forces?

  4. For example, question 7: was political influence and pressure brought to bear upon the DPP from local and national politicians and members of the Liberal Party from 1969 to 1970? The police investigation was  awkwardly timed for the Liberals, given that Smith was campaigning for the Liberal nomination for parliament in Rochdale, and the Liberal leader, Jeremy Thorpe, and David Steel, were very anxious that Cyril Smith stand in the cause of the Liberals.  What gave Cyril Smith the confidence to stand for selection on March 2 before the police file had even gone to the DPP? Now, remember that his visit to the police station in January, which he agreed was a fishing expedition, was -- one of the questions he said was, "Will the police file go to the DPP?" Now, certainly the police seem to have been extremely unhappy at the DPP's decision, one senior officer going so far as to complain directly to MI5 in 1974 about an apparent coverup. And the issue of coverup becomes obvious in 1979 when we look at that MI5 file.

  5. So the questions we have, number 8: why would Sir Thomas Hetherington, the successor to the DPP who had made the original decision, decide he should lie to journalists, stating that the police had not submitted a prosecution file in 1970, recommending that Smith be prosecuted? Why would the DPP place great pressure on the Chief Constable of the Lancashire Police to say nothing about having submitted that file? And perhaps most perplexing of all, why would the DPP contact MI5 about this at all? Why was an apparent South African connection suspected? There is also a reference in the covering letter to another child sexual abuse investigation into Cyril Smith by the Metropolitan Police Service in the  mid 1970s. Again, why would MI5 hold that information? Why was MI5 involved at all? We say that this dossier from MI5 raises the spectre of collusion.

  6. My learned friend has noted that the recommendation and consideration for the knighthood raises many questions. I would simply note here how galling and distressing it was to Cyril Smith's victims to see his unstoppable rise to the highest echelons of public life whilst they continued to suffer the consequences of his actions.


[url=https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/2759/view/Public Hearing Transcript 10 October 2017.pdf]https://www.iicsa.org.uk/key-documents/2759/view/Public%20Hearing%20Transcript%2010%20October%202017.pdf[/url]

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Post by Tony Bennett on 11.10.17 10:03

@ Doug D

I want to thank you once again for keeping us up-to-date with the various enquiries into high-level child sexual abuse and in particular today for going to the trouble of bringing to our notice these absolutely shocking revelations about 'Sir' Cyril Smith.

Let it be one more reminder of these brutal, sick, perverted actions against defenceless children by some of the most powerful members of our establishment - and the extraordianary lengths the very highest in our society will got to, to cover up these serious, horrific crimes. Police officers and Crown Prosecution Service lawyers at the very highest levels deliberately choosing not to do their jobs and thereby exposing more children to abuse.

And we must not forget, either, the close relationship and collaboration between Smith and that other serial child abuser and friend of the McCanns - 'Sir' Clement Freud - with whom he shared a Parliamentary office for so many years.

At least I believe they won't be 'resting in peace'. All will surely come out on that great Day of Judgment yet to come

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Post by sallypelt on 11.10.17 12:38

Cyril Smith had hands "like weapons" and used "medical examinations" to "fondle" him, an alleged abuse victim told an inquiry.
The witness told the independent inquiry he had been "spanked" by the late MP while he lived at Cambridge House in Rochdale in the 1960s.
He said Smith was "involved in everything" at the hostel.
The hearings are examining the late MP's alleged abuse of young boys in Rochdale care institutions.
Cyril Smith 'at alleged victim's wedding'

Cyril Smith 'a puppet master abuser'
MI5 'told of Cyril Smith abuse case lie'
The witness described being sexually assaulted by the politician.
"He said 'Take your pants down I want to give you a medical examination'...then he started stroking me.
The man told the inquiry he was 15-years-old and very scared, adding: "He was Cyril Smith. What could I do?"

'Big, fat, flabby'

On another occasion the witness said he and a friend had skived off work to spend the day in Manchester.
When he returned to the hostel Smith was waiting.
He said: "[I was] taken into the quiet room and had the same [medical] examination again. Then a spanking. Obviously big, fat, flabby hands, bang, bang, bang."
If you ever saw those hands they were like weapons, he added.
"He made me take my trousers down. After he spanked me he started stroking me. Saying 'There, there it's alright' but I was crying. He really hurt me."
On another occasion the witness said he was in "severe pain, vomiting and high temperature".
He asked for an ambulance to be called but "then Cyril Smith turned up".
The alleged victim said: "He started prodding around and fondled me...and said 'There's nothing wrong with him'."
But the man was later taken to hospital and found to have a ruptured appendix.
Smith never faced prosecution before his death in 2010, despite enduring a political career dogged by police investigations and accusations of sexual abuse.
The alleged victim expressed anger at the amount of time it took for his allegations to come to light.
"How did he get away with it? Why did people turn a blind eye?" he said.
The inquiry continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41582256

The alleged victim expressed anger at the amount of time it took for his allegations to come to light.
"How did he get away with it? Why did people turn a blind eye?" he said.

And to think they give these FILTHY .......CENSORED.... gongs. It makes me sick to my stomach that these pieces of festering filth only come to the surface AFTER they die,  when those who FINALLY expose them, have known ALL ALONG.

May you ALL rot in HELL!

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Post by polyenne on 11.10.17 12:47

Cyril Smith, Jimmy Savile, Harvey Weinstein......it's endemic. They're powerful, they've got money, they exert pressure, they're involve with other high ranking people many of whom are also serial abusers (whether sexual, physical or emotional)and, just as importantly, they have "information" on these people ("evidence" if you like) and they use this to full advantage.

The sooner we get to these monsters, the sooner they can be dealt with. A prison sentence or chemical castration is too good for them......bring back the gallows.

Abhorrent pieces of sh*t.

Rant over..............

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Post by willowthewisp on 11.10.17 15:05

@polyenne wrote:Cyril Smith, Jimmy Savile, Harvey Weinstein......it's endemic. They're powerful, they've got money, they exert pressure, they're involve with other high ranking people many of whom are also serial abusers (whether sexual, physical or emotional)and, just as importantly, they have "information" on these people ("evidence" if you like) and they use this to full advantage.

The sooner we get to these monsters, the sooner they can be dealt with. A prison sentence or chemical castration is too good for them......bring back the gallows.

Abhorrent pieces of sh*t.

Rant over..............
Hi Polyenne,it isn't just Weistein who used the casting couch,look at the "career" of an age old star from way back and the connatations,with her"Golden Locks","On the good ship,lollipop"?
We have movie stars dying at relatively young ages,not common to an average age life span.thought to have been in"Special Relationships"?
Then You have the"Michael Jackson story"and who he was connected to on a massive scale,Magician spoonbender,Uri Geller,with connections to Saville(IRA)Kincora Boys Home,Prince Charles ,Lord Mountbatten,secret Inteligence from Israel,Mossad?
Then there are the links to "Skull & Crossbones" club with linkages to CIA,FBI,former United States Presidents,right up to the today's President via the mob and Money Laundering techniques going back to President Kennedy's Assassination in November 1963?
Surely the question should be,"not how they got away with it" but "Why they where allowed to get Away with it"was it simply to be"Black Mailed" by your nemesis forever until you passed your last breath,which seems to be the case in most of the abuses being uncovered,that in Death,truth was finally emerging of what they had done,Saville,Janner,Smith,but it could be construed as Hearsay,with No legal definition,as the dead couldn't defend themselves?
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Post by Jill Havern on 11.10.17 15:55

Courtesy of PeterMac:

Private Eye exposed all this many many years ago.  He never sued

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/extras/smith
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