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Post by Me on 17.01.13 15:43

@tiny wrote:You can beleive what you want ,but my opinion is that he does not know all and his words should be taken with a pinch of salt untill we hear directly from official source that the mccanns are going to cave in on this court case.

Nobody says he does know all, but that isn't what you originally said.

You said:

@tiny wrote:I have read some of blacksmiths posting and your quite right some are
odd,but i still do not believe he knows any more than we do,but thats
just my opinion.

I pointed out that he has provided a better analysis and understanding of all aspects of the case than "we" have.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.13 15:45

@Me wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:And now this one.
http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/libel-diary-afternoon-january-17.html

Libel Diary, afternoon January 17
The reason for the rumours we alluded to yesterday is, of course, the desperate straits that good old Team McCann is in. They have no choice but to settle but they believe they can minimise the damage if only they can spin it and muffle it enough to leave them a shred of credibility, though events in Algeria came a little too soon to bury the settlement in the sand. The trouble is that, just as in Lisbon in January 2010, so many people have been enlisted in the salvage effort that it's been impossible to plug the leaks.

The spin you will receive, unless the McCanns decide to change it in the light of what they're reading here, is that funds being low and the needs of the search so great – once it resumes – they are no longer willing to waste money and will let bygones be bygones in order to preserve the fund's assets.

Bullshit.

Duarte has told them that they cannot possibly win. Not only are they not dropping the case to save money but they are even now in negotiations to try and reduce the financial demands being made by Goncalo Amaral's defence team. Every national editor in England is aware of these negotiations but true to their performance since 2008 they aren't saying a word – yet. Not even Kier Simmons, bless him. Anyone want to tweet him for his views about the dreadful rumours from the dreadful ignoramuses of the internet?

And while they have their phones in their hands perhaps they'll tweet Clarence Mitchell to ask if he still believes he has a future in the Tory party and how he feels about Amaral's intended pursuit – of him. Go on, ask him.


Someone has just tweeted Clarence Mitchell those very words in bold

Really? Where, i cant see anything on Clarence's feed.



Ob McCann hastag about 25 mins ago



M*** [email=W***@u]W***@u[/email]*******

@mitch_1uk ClarenceMitchell you still believe you have a future in t Tory party&how do you feel about Amarals intended pursuit of U #McCann
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Post by aiyoyo on 17.01.13 15:50

they are no longer willing to waste money and will let bygones be bygones in order to preserve the fund's assets.

Let bygones be bygones! What!!
Does it mean Dr. Amaral is free to print his book in English in UK or any where in the English speaking world?
Whatever happens to their claim that his book hinders their search, libel them, and that they sued for Maddie's sake for the search for Maddie. So when they let bygones be bygones does it mean Maddie is bygone and so let it be? So if the book libels them shouldn't it be about principles and not how much fund they've got?
The mind truly boggles.

How are they going to spin out of this is a mystery? Just wait for it - they're going to blame the Portuguese Court and systems?

I bet CR is apprised of this through the Mccanns.
Will the curse mccanns have on people and their lawyers afflict CR? Even ID wasn't spared the humiliation.
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Post by PeterMac on 17.01.13 15:54

Me,
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@tiny wrote:You can beleive what you want ,but my opinion is that he does not know all and his words should be taken with a pinch of salt untill we hear directly from official source that the mccanns are going to cave in on this court case.
I pointed out that he has provided a better analysis and understanding of all aspects of the case than "we" have.
I still wonder if it is too soon to rush into print, when we only have Blacksmith's version.
I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

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Post by Me on 17.01.13 15:59

@PeterMac wrote:Me,
@Me wrote:
@tiny wrote:You can beleive what you want ,but my opinion is that he does not know all and his words should be taken with a pinch of salt untill we hear directly from official source that the mccanns are going to cave in on this court case.
I pointed out that he has provided a better analysis and understanding of all aspects of the case than "we" have.
I still wonder if it is too soon to rush into print, when we only have Blacksmith's version.
I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Agreed, that's why i haven't said this is gospel just yet.

What i have said is that his analysis purely of the case itself is the most insightful and revealing on the net.

I don't buy into this criticism of his overall work just because he had a pop at TB in a couple of posts.

That was my point.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.01.13 16:07

@Me wrote:
Agreed, that's why i haven't said this is gospel just yet.
What i have said is that his analysis purely of the case itself is the most insightful and revealing on the net.
I don't buy into this criticism of his overall work just because he had a pop at TB in a couple of posts.
That was my point.
It is certainly good and revealing. The question is whether everything he says is based on knowledge rather than hope.
Because it matters.
A little girl is missing.
No police force seems to be actively looking for her, or her remains, and the parents have clearly given up whatever it was they were doing.
The lawyers have taken over, which is never good.

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Post by Guest on 17.01.13 16:58

@PeterMac wrote:
@Me wrote:
Agreed, that's why i haven't said this is gospel just yet.
What i have said is that his analysis purely of the case itself is the most insightful and revealing on the net.
I don't buy into this criticism of his overall work just because he had a pop at TB in a couple of posts.
That was my point.
It is certainly good and revealing. The question is whether everything he says is based on knowledge rather than hope.
Because it matters.
A little girl is missing.
No police force seems to be actively looking for her, or her remains, and the parents have clearly given up whatever it was they were doing.
The lawyers have taken over, which is never good.

the end-game?
or still wishful thinking?
I'm betting on BS here, whom I hold in high regard, always have.
just my humble opinion
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Post by Ange on 17.01.13 17:18

I wasn't sure where to post this, but will do so here as it's the most current thread at the minute. Not sure if it's in order to copy and paste from Facebook, but I've just read a post circulating on there from Auntie Phil re asking people to send, as a chain letter, the fact that Madeleine is still missing and not believed to be in Portugal "anymore". Surprise surprise.

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Post by Me on 17.01.13 17:21

@PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave examples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i believe that he had/has contact either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.01.13 17:28

@Me wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave exmaples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i beleive that he had/has contacts either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.
'Me' has been very fulsome in his extravagant praise of 'blacksmith' = Antony Sharples.

He appears almost to understand 'blacksmith' better than 'blacksmith' himself.

Wouldn't it be interesting if 'Me' turned out, in truth, to be...

...'blacksmith' himself!

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Post by Me on 17.01.13 17:39

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Me wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:I am sure Blacksmith will point us in the right direction when it becomes evidenced.

Peter, my irony detector appears to be on the blink today.

It's not about him pointing us in the right direction. What i was alluding to was that his analysis of the case, the libel trial and the book were in my opinion unmatched by what was written on the forums.

That's not fawning, sycophantic or aimless following of him its my observation based on reading all his posts and also spending a lot of time on the forums.

I gave exmaples to the other poster about the areas BS covered in detail which provided hugely insightful, peircing logic and reasoning which i did not see to the same level on the forums.

In relation to whether it is fact or not i beleive that he had/has contacts either with Amaral or his team in the past and i would suggest he has received information from them about this before he put finger to keyboard.
'Me' has been very fulsome in his extravagant praise of 'blacksmith' = Antony Sharples.

He appears almost to understand 'blacksmith' better than 'blacksmith' himself.

Wouldn't it be interesting if 'Me' turned out, in truth, to be...

...'blacksmith' himself!

**SIGHS**

Yes Tony, that's what it will be, I am BS.

I'd ask you to contact Candyfloss as i have revealed my real name to her in PM's before. And no i'm not but feel free to ask her.

When have i claimed to know BS better than he has?

What do you term "extravagent" praise?

All i have said is that his detailed, FACTUAL, analysis of the case is superior to what i have found on the forums and i appreciate reading it.

I listed examples for another poster of particular areas of the case where his work excelled.

Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet over his posts about you.

That's between you and him and i would suggest you need to get over it.

What i'm saying is that his posts about you do not detract from the body of his work where he examines the facts of the case.

I'd respectfully suggest that you could have helped your work on the case by studying some of this work.

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Post by bristow on 17.01.13 18:04

@tiny wrote:Update from blacksmith. http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.com/

Best to copy it in case it goes.

Libel Diary - Early Evening January 17
John Blacksmith writes: I don't have any special secret sources and, as I have posted here previously, I have had no information from within Amaral's group since 2010. As far as I know GA has been in Lisbon working on the libel case and declining to comment since last spring.

The only information I ever get hold of is connected with the use of the term "we" in the Blacksmith Bureau. Everyone who is interested knows who I am since I posted my full name and location on the old 3As forum in 2008. Bureau contributions, however, don't derive from me or belong to me alone: the Bureau exists as a centre for messages and opinions about the case from a number of what we might call the "sane critics" of the parents, people who have done a great deal more investigation than I have and have dedicated much of their lives to the case in a way which puts me to shame.

We know about the negotiations which, we repeat, are known to all UK national editors. Anyone who knows the McCanns' modus operandi, either through watching the Leveson hearings or studying Duarte's briefing note for the Portuguese media after the Wikileaks episode, should know how they prepare the way for their media spin initiatives by confidential contact with editors so that there will be a spurious unanimity of view. That is what is taking place now.

The purpose of pre-empting their spin plan is not to build ourselves up but to remind all our readers of the secret, and disgraceful, way in which the media have supped with a very short spoon with the McCanns for six years, a subject which we have taken up with them on occasion, most recently with the editor of the Daily Mail, although we got little change from him. One of the reasons that the story is dragging on and leaking is that it is not just the McCanns who stand to lose but all the newspapers and a number of individuals that defamed Amaral so grossly while helping the McCanns keep Amaral's claims away from the British public. In helping the McCanns now they are attempting to help themselves as well.

And we want them all to fail, the lying, dishonest, greedy bastards. That's the axe we have to grind. Listening Kier? Listening Clarence?
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Post by Olive_Boyle on 17.01.13 18:36

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That is why he hasn't been Carter Rucked.


I couldn't agree more and says it all for me.

He is thoughtful, intelligent, interesting and most of all very clever to have been able to say what he has and kept out of CR's sights.

I thoroughly enjoy reading his posts.

I think there is a tendency by some to over analyse and pick at ever small detail turning it into something that it isn't.

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Post by PeterMac on 17.01.13 18:36

I just hope it is correct !

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Post by Ashwarya on 17.01.13 19:13

My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.
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Post by Inspectorfrost on 17.01.13 19:30

@Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1

Whilst forgiving the person who stole Madeleine, as she told Aled Jones in some BBC Christian programme interview!!!
wtf2

Such Chrisitan forgiveness on the one hand to the perpetrator of the heinous crime and such vindictiveness on the other.


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Post by happychick on 17.01.13 20:02

@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1


My God, she's an evil witch. I really do hope that Amaral will get her into court.

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 17.01.13 20:36

@happychick wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Ashwarya wrote:My heart was completely broken by what Blacksmith says about the terrible suffering of Amaral and his wife as a result of all this. Such wickedness is really beyond belief.

Which is exactly what KM wanted, see text in bold.

That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine and the search to find her. He deserves to be miserable and feel fear."

http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/libel-diary-4-differing-futures.html?m=1


My God, she's an evil witch. I really do hope that Amaral will get her into court.

Im afraid I tend to agree with Blacksmiths portrayal of her and her and her husbands actions over the years not forgetting the slimey toads who supported them. And it doesnt matter who gets her or Gerry or any of the others into court, if it ever happens, it will be bigger than the OJ Simpson trial. Now theres an idea.

BS has gone for the jugular in his latest blogs, but I am not surprised at all, because its a logical and truthful flow IMO.

I have yet to see any semblance of integrity or beleivability with that couple. Whats the opposite of integrity? Thats how they seem to me.

Whoever asked if BS was Coldwater, must have been absolutely joking. Only because, at the very least, BS 's posts have worn the test of time, based on solid facts and proven the lies and deceptions that have been scattered by the Mccann machine to the hoi polloi. Coldwater was not right about a single thing and was just a cowardly despicable little wum, probably could be charged with the perversion of the course of justice.

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Post by margaret on 17.01.13 21:02

@Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.
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Post by monkey mind on 17.01.13 21:09

candyfloss wrote:Well, this is what Isabel Duarte said on Panorama The Last Hope.............



Isabel Duarte, the civil lawyer in Portugal who acts for the McCann family in their libel action against Amaral, says it's not a popular fight.

“I feel alone because I don’t feel support, not in public opinion. I have friends that don’t want to talk to me about the case because everyone believes in Goncalo Amaral. Everyone believes that I am defending a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the corpse.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2012/panorama-maddie.html



She didn't sound too optimistic did she.

Oh dear!!

Oh my!!

Wonder what the McCanns thought when they were sat on the sofa whatching that? Their own esteemed lawyer saying everybody – her friends included thought they had killed their daughter and disposed of her corpse.

No mention of an accident. No Sir.

Didn’t even say ‘accidentally killed’. No Ma’am. Rather “...a father and mother that have killed their daughter and got rid of the body”.

Bam! One minute sat on the sofa the next on the floor.

Now I wonder if we slotted that little scenario into the ‘guilt, shame, remorse” thread, wonder if that might make sense of it all....?
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Post by Inspectorfrost on 17.01.13 21:15

@margaret wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.

BS is right, she is off her trolley. Mr Amaral was the coordinator of a huge investigation involving hundreds of police officers, he didnt treat Madeleine in any other way as a child to be found and what her fate was. He was doing his job and the mccanns crucified him for doing so,now, I wonder what that could mean?

He wasnt the only person in this grisly case to be targetted for doing their job or just standing around as a witness. Cough. Its amazing really how many people have been targetted by the so called Team Mccann.

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Post by margaret on 17.01.13 21:19

@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@margaret wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:

[b]That man has caused us so much upset and anger because of how he has treated my beautiful Madeleine

Nobody treated poor Madeleine anymore heinous than her own parents.

BS is right, she is off her trolley. Mr Amaral was the coordinator of a huge investigation involving hundreds of police officers, he didnt treat Madeleine in any other way as a child to be found and what her fate was. He was doing his job and the mccanns crucified him for doing so,now, I wonder what that could mean?

He wasnt the only person in this grisly case to be targetted for doing their job or just standing around as a witness. Cough. Its amazing really how many people have been targetted by the so called Team Mccann.

Too true. Lets hope for the beginning of the end
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