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Harming the search for Madeleine - Page 3 Empty The balding Kennedy?

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.13 9:29

@tigger wrote:
@tigger wrote: Re the oploading of photos:

You're right - there is no specific evidence which indicates that photos should be sent to the McCanns. Sorry about that. The quote I gave above just mentions Gerry urging people to send them to CEOPS. Some 1500 pictures were sent I believe.
Sorry!

It's curious that they specifically ask for people in the background. Would be more use if pictures of Maddie and the background could be sent.


They did not ask for incidental pictures of the T7 or the McCanns, taken by other holiday makers.

To add:
It's occurred to me that asking for those holiday snaps was more to check who could be seen in those photographs.
E.g. Kennedy? Smethurst?
Isn't there in existence a photograph of Smethurst (who wasn't there) near the church?

It was a rear/side view of a balding man, IN the church, who looked VERY much like Brian Kennedy - I think on the first Sunday in the church. It might have been 'ttw4' or 'goodqualitywristbands' who found the shot and put it up on the website. If correct, clearly Kennedy was 'in it' from the off

Lori Campbell? who was on the spot rather quickly and directed the media attention away from the McCanns.
Damage limitation again imo.

Asking for snaps of Maddie (surely there must have been parents at e.g. the boating trip to take pictures? - Not all parents are so uninterested in their children. (I would certainly want to take a photograph of my toddler in a life jacket) so the request was directing attention to background whilst any compromising shots might be assessed.

It's also strange never to have seen this type of photograph in any of the press. Surely it would be normal for people to send or try to sell them to newspapers as background information?

E.g. 'her last boat trip' an evocative photograph of the Lobster group on an excursion by boat. Maddie McCann had been enjoying just such a...etc. etc.

The absence of photographs generally, and the three-week delay (after Gerry McC visted England) before producing 'the last photgraph' are amongst the most telling signs that all is not right with this story

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

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Post by Tony Bennett on 12.01.13 9:33

@tigger wrote:I did find this: interesting that CEOP isn't mentioned except for the website to upload.

Gerry McCann requests photos from Irish holidaymakers Gerry's blog (no longer available online)

09 June 2007, Day 37

Kate and I had a slightly busier day on the media front than expected. We did a short press interview for the Irish Sunday papers, mainly to thank the Irish for their fantastic level of support. We followed that with one for the British Sundays which is likely to be the last one we do for a while. We talked about our pain of not having having Madeleine for such a long time and for our need to grieve, which occurs mainly in private. We also talked about how after Morocco we will have to spend some time reflecting both emotionally, and also how best the campaign can be taken forward. What we want to ensure is that the campaign has a psoitive effect on finding Madeleine.

After this we headed down to Sagres which is the very most southwestern tip of Portugal. There is a very nice beach and we had lunch with the family.

After returning from the beach we did the Irish version of Crimewatch-'Crimecall'. There are a lot of Irish tourists in and around Praia da Luz and although the awareness of Madeleine's disappearance in Ireland is extremely high, we want to ensure that everyone is aware of the appeal and we want the Irish public to come forward with photographs of people who they do not know who were in and around Praia da Luz in the 2 weeks leading up to the 3rd May. The address to upload photographs is: to www.madeleine.ceopupload.com. We have also asked for people to contact their local police if they have seen a man matching the description of the suspect carrying a child seen around the time of Madeleine’s abduction. He is 30-40 years, 1.70-1.80m (5'7"-11"), caucasian and was wearing a dark jacket, beige or mustard coloured trousers with dark shoes. No major news on the investigation front- we still believe it is just a single phone call away.
Regarding the bit highlighted in red above.

What do you all think about whether this appeal for people to upload photos and send them to Jim Gamble at CEOP was formally authorised by Dr Goncalo Amaral and his investigating team?

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Post by tigger on 12.01.13 10:28

Trawling for other info - this is from HideHo's site:

Wednesday 6 June 2007
Gerry and Kate leave Berlin and arrive in Amsterdam.
... flight from Berlin to Amsterdam delayed due to anonymous phone call from an unidentified man to police saying he knew where Madeleine was and wanting to speak to the McCanns personally. The man reportedly made no further contact. K & G reportedly stayed in the Consulate or with the Ambassador while awaiting further news.
Thursday 7 June
Gerry 'catches up with old friend' attending medical conference in Amsterdam, almost certainly Oldfield.
Kate and Gerry fly back to PDL early evening, then drive to Lagos to attend concert in aid of Madeleine.
(INSERTED TODAY) 8 Jun 07
Gerry's blog "Sean, in particular has acquired a taste for sea-bass"
Bruno press and Daylife press publish photos of Sean wearing red aeroplane t shirt
9 June
- Drive to Sagres.
10 June (Sunday)
- Mobile phone call is tracked between Gerry and O'Brien on this day. Tracking shows the two were possibly 28km apart at the time of the call.
G & K attend mass in the morning.
Late afternoon they drive to airport to catch flight to Casablanca [Clarence Mitchell travels with them on the flight]
Monday 11 June
- De Telegraaf receives the anonymous letter allegedly identifying where the Madeleine's body has been buried. De Telegraaf passes this on immediately to the Amsterdam police.
13 June
- PJ informed regarding letter received by De Telegraaf.
First PJ search is carried out near Arao in the evening. A further search carried out at dawn next day (or possibly day after). On one of the searches a light brown beach towel found and sent for forensic examination.
14 June
- K & G drive to Faro to meet a friend 'helping with the campaign'

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So Stam alerts the Amsterdam police on the 13th of June, being convinced of having seen Maddie on the 6th May.
McCanns are in Amsterdam on the 7th, as is probably MO.
A Thursday. So a weekend goes by and the following Wednesday she reports it. Either publicity generated, (there were a bunch of sightings in Amsterdam) or egged on. I do think her description is too close to the beloved 'gypsy and unpleasant woman' tale given out earlier by TM.
Complete script by TM one might say.
Just at the time when they wanted everybody to be looking north. Not south to a barn in Portugal.

Sorry, just interesting addenda to Stam as that week is the turning point imo. Not part. helpful. But on the same day that Telegraaf published letter , Stam goes to the police with her detailed sighting which would make it unlikely that M is in Portugal.
The McCanns 'were furious' with the Telegraaf because it stopped the PJ from investigating properly.


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Post by PeterMac on 12.01.13 11:01

I have no children.
I do have hundreds of photos of my nephews and niece.
In the days of digital cameras it is usual not merely to take ONE "last photo" but to take half a dozen at least, and edit later, if the chip gets too full.
People no longer frame and then take ONE photo.

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Post by tigger on 12.01.13 12:41

Tony wrote:


What do you all think about whether this appeal for people to upload photos and send them to Jim Gamble at CEOP was formally authorised by Dr Goncalo Amaral and his investigating team?
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I doubt that GA was given any information regarding this enterprise. Which doesn't appear in the PJ files as far as I know.
That doesn't mean he didn't know about it. His observations of the McCanns and their acolytes are very perceptive.

He didn't know about the Gaspar statement which came somewhere in October. But I'm sure that anything published in British papers came to his attention.

GA has yet another tale to tell and when the files are released in 15 yrs? time, he will do so I hope.





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Post by jd on 12.01.13 16:47

My observations are the CEOP were worried about the person/persons this whole scam is protecting was not in any holidaymakers photos by accident. To me this is proven by not giving any of the holidaymakers photos to the PJ, not to LPP either as I recall. It seems only the CEOP/jim gamble has all these photos. These photos never reached the Portuguese police, who would possibly have found them useful. So, what was the use of asking for them?

Together with withholding the Gaspar statement for 6 months and the mccanns crying a paedo ring from the very start, when added up does really suggest what the cover up is about imo

jim gamble on 21st May said ""No matter how small or insignificant the information may seem to you, it could be the missing part of the jigsaw so let us decide if it is important.
"We are looking for anyone who was at the Ocean Club Resort or surrounding area in the two weeks leading up to Madeleine's disappearance on Thursday 3 May who have photographs that might help our work.
"We don't want scenery shots or pictures that just show your family but look at your prints and see if there are, for instance, people in the background of the picture that at first you may not have noticed."


From this statement, they want to decide not the PJ. They tried to get all the photos with anyone in the background so they could check imo. The PR term "missing part of the jigsaw" is also used here on May 21st. Note that May 21st is when gerry mccann was in LPP 5 days after the Gaspar statement and we know clarence mitchell was also at the station then. Did the Gaspar statement send the frighteners up them?

Asking for 2 weeks of photos...Is this when the person/persons were in PDL from? And a reason why the PJ wanted to see the mccanns credit cards statements from beginning of April?
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The playground photo of Maddie at the entrance, this is the clearest photo they had of how Maddie looked at that time, so why did they not give this for the poster and the PJ immediately? But instead an old one for the poster and then an even older iconic one for the marketing. There is one photo you could give the at that time which was the playhouse one but they never pushed this one at all. How they did they have the old one? It doesn't seem to be the cameras given to the PJ yet they could produce this photo within 60 mins of Maddie disappearing....Does not add up

The so called 'last photo" was shown below how it can be manipulated....And not only does the tennis girl face look so different to the PDL one, but to me the Donegal face looks the same time as the original face on the poolside photo (lighting too), which suggests this batch of photos from wherever they originate is what they used for the poolside and Donegal

I'd love to see the kennedy one if it can be found

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Post by jd on 16.01.13 7:48

The scene is set... Lisbon Court steps, February 2010.

Kate and Gerry McCann face the press pack and questioning from several journalists. One journalist in particular asks probably one of the most important questions since the case was shelved, his words are in italics.

~ You ask the Portuguese people to come forward , what do you have to say if they ask you why are you not reopening the case?
GM - We'd be delighted if the case was reopened, we have no problem with that.
~ A reconstruction - if you volunteered to do a reconstruction, wouldn't that open the case?
GM - We want to create information that will lead us to helping find Madeleine.
~ That will help Madeleine.
GM - Well, if it does, then, you know, we will participate.
~You're in Lisbon today - you could take that step today, ask for the case to be reopened.
GM - Look, we're going round in circles. We'd be more than happy for the case to be reopened.


November 2010 - the McCanns are in Lisbon once again, not for Madeleine but to meet their lawyers and PR representatives. Recent reports stated that the Portuguese police were happy to work with the parents. Legal sources in Portugal advised that they should use this meeting as an opportunity to instruct said lawyers to draft letters to both the Judiciary Police and the Attorney General to request the reopening of the investigation. This is not something new, it is the McCanns' legal right and has been since the case was shelved. Over the years they have not taken up this right for some strange reason and instead choose to mislead the public by insisting that they need monetary donations to fund their own search.

It appears that yet again that they have chosen not to request the reopening of the case and would rather have a review of the information already gathered. A review instead of an ongoing official investigation. What will a review tell us? It will tell us that the McCanns and their friends should complete the requested reconstruction and all unanswered questions should be answered.

They are persisting with their stunt of a review petition, delaying the search for Madeleine even further by declaring that they will wait until the petition has 100,000 signatures before acting upon it. And in the meantime they will publicly ask for more money to fund an unnecessary private search.

The McCanns say that they will leave no stone unturned. But by their own strange actions and words, it is quite evident that they are themselves hampering the search for Madeleine.

http://thepottingshedder.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-min=2010-01-01T00:00:00Z&updated-max=2011-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=31

Review or Reopen?

A review will not help Madeleine - this is simply a paper pushing exercise which is utterly pointless and the status quo will continue. Madeleine will still be missing, the McCanns will continue to thrust that begging bowl for what they seem to think is their entitlement to other people's money. No one will be actively investigating why Madeleine is missing, what happened to her and where she is.

Reopening the case will ignite the search for Madeleine by the proper people. Instead of the Team of Four supping tea in darkest Leicestershire and attempting to cover the planet, Madeleine will have a huge taskforce and endless resources on her side in the shape of the Portuguese and British authorities and other interconnected bodies.

Reopening the case is easy - the McCanns and their friends simply have to agree to attend the reconstruction requested by the police, the one which they initially failed to turn up for. It would also be helpful if the mother would answer the questions she failed to answer in the first place. All 48 of them and she needs to answer these questions today.

The father stood on the steps of a Lisbon court, when he was hit with an off the wall surprise question. Will you be requesting that the case be reopened?... He said yes. Another lie?

"...NO police force has proactively been doing anything to help us find Madeleine."
"There's no law enforcement that's been pro-actively doing anything for 18 months."
"No police force is actively doing anything for Madeleine and we think that's completely unacceptable,"


It beggars belief that the parents have such gall and can actually make the above comments with a straight face. The fact that there is no police force actively or pro-actively searching is their own fault - they allowed the case to be shelved in the first place and have it within their power to have it reopened.

We all know that the reopening of the investigation is the best thing for Madeleine. It's what she deserves and something which would receive the backing of everyone, except the guilty party of course. Shame her parents don't seem to agree.


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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 19.01.13 20:02

Keep re-reading the email exchange relating to reconstruction on mccannfiles and it is interesting to see that Tanner is the most "chatty" and faux co-operative. She also says in one of them she'll do it if the PJ guarantee she won't be treated as a suspect.

Tony, if you have time, and I know things are tight, Jane Tanners ones are revealing.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.01.13 21:12

Thank you all again, but especially jd, once again, for that penetrating analysis of Jim Gamble's intervention in trying to get all those holiday snaps. I agree 100% with your 'take' on all of that. I don't need that for the trial, but it's all part of adding another piece to the jigsaw

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