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Post by Jill Havern 17.03.10 7:50

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Now, a request from those of you who might be able to help me with a few questions.
These are matters I’m especially interested in if you can supply links or information:

5) What is the sum total of evidence that the McCanns used sedatives, Calpol or others, on the children?


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Post by ufercoffy 17.03.10 8:42

MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”

Brian Healy, the father of Kate McCann, admitted she “may have used Calpol” to help Madeleine to sleep, but said it was “just outrageous to think of anything else." Gerry and Kate strongly denied, on August 16, using any kind of drugs on their children to stop them waking up at night.

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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 9:09

ufercoffy wrote:MADELEINE'S GRANDFATHER ADMITS KATE “MAY HAVE USED CALPOL”

Brian Healy, the father of Kate McCann, admitted she “may have used Calpol” to help Madeleine to sleep, but said it was “just outrageous to think of anything else." Gerry and Kate strongly denied, on August 16, using any kind of drugs on their children to stop them waking up at night.

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Thank you.

I see the actual quote was:

"Kate may have used Calpol (to help her sleep), but it's just outrageous to think of anything else."

That could be read as a clear admission that the couple did use Calpol.

To move the discussion on, is it right that an empty carton of Calpol was found in the McCanns' luggage?

I would also welcome observations on the fact that the McCanns did not apparently test the twins for the presence of sedatives in their system for five or six months, and then trumpeted the finding of the private forensic lanoratory they used as proof that the twins were not sedated.

Given their professed concerns that the abductor might have sedated the twins, why did they wait for six months before doing the tests?

We also don't know what drugs they tested for.

All I am asking for here is: is there a good reason why they waited for six months?

The obvious thought that occurred to me was: the twins were being sedated, along with Madeleine, and as doctors they would know that it would take several months for the presence of certain sedatives to pass through their little systems.
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Post by ufercoffy 17.03.10 9:37

Here's a few Google links:

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Post by ufercoffy 17.03.10 9:43

And some more Google links about Hair Drug Testing:

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All about the Hair Drug Test Process and when Hair Drug Testing is Suitable.
It is becoming increasingly common for employers and the courts to ask for a Hair Drug Test. Testing for illegal substances in hair gives you a greater time frame of detection than urine, blood and saliva. In fact, you can often detect drugs in hair for several months - if not years, if the hair is long enough. The most common request we have for hair testing is a 3 month or 90 day history of drug use or abstinence, requiring a 3 cm (1 ¼ inches) length of hair sample. It is possible to test less than one centimetre up to any length of hair sample available, however we have to section longer hair samples into maximum 3 cm sections, to maintain the sensitivity of the hair test. As a result, the profile of drug use can range from approximately 7 or 8 days history up to in excess of 2 years (if the person’s hair exceeds 24cm in length).

How much hair is required to carry out a hair test?
About 50 strands of hair are necessary - obtained from the crown of the head, which is about the width of a thin pencil, or perhaps the tip of a shoe lace. There are typically in excess of 100,000 strands of hair on the head of the average person, so this should not make any cosmetic difference, unless the individual’s hair is very short.
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Post by ufercoffy 17.03.10 9:46

From Gerry's blog:

Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 9:51

ufercoffy wrote:Here's a few Google links:

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Thank you.

Please look at the items I've highlighted in red on one of the links you've kindly given me:

MADELEINE EXCLUSIVE: All three children were drugged
15 October 2009

By James Murray | Daily Express

MISSING: Madeleine McCann

The kidnapper of Madeleine McCann drugged her and her twin brother and sister so they would all be quiet while she was snatched.

A duplicate key may also have been used to gain entrance to the holiday apartment where the children were sleeping, say investigators.

It means the monster is still a threat to children living or holidaying on Portugal’s Algarve and must be caught urgently as he is highly likely to reoffend.

Former police detectives David Edgar and Arthur Cowley have spent months re-analysing every shred of evidence.

They are convinced the abductor went to the family’s apartment on May 3 2007 fully prepared with sufficient drugs, probably chloroform, to knock out all three children.


The fact that Sean and Amelie, then just 18 months old, failed to wake when the alarm was raised, nor even as they were taken to another apartment in the cold night air, has persuaded the detectives that they, too, must have been drugged.

Had the twins been tested for drugs immediately, any medication used could have been established, making it easier to identify the kidnapper, but vital time was lost.

Chloroform can be made easily and other sedatives, such as the horse tranquilliser ketamine, are commonly in circulation in the criminal underworld.

Even now, however, experts say there may be forensic clues on clothing or bedding which could yield a breakthrough.

The Sunday Express can further reveal that the McCanns’ private detectives are working on a solid theory about exactly how Madeleine was abducted.

Just as television investigator Donal MacIntyre suggested in this paper three weeks ago, they believe there was a dry run prior to the kidnap that fateful night at apartment 5a of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz.

While checking the layout of the apartment the night before, the kidnapper probably woke Sean, who in turn woke Madeleine. In the morning she had told Kate and Gerry she was frightened.

The fact that the children woke up is thought to have persuaded the kidnapper to use knock-out drugs when he returned the next night to take Madeleine, three.

On the question of the duplicate key, holidaymakers often left front door keys under the doormats during the day.

A theory emerging is that the kidnapper had a duplicate key to apartment 5a, which could have been used on the night to enter by the front door.

Mr Edgar and Mr Cowley do not believe Madeleine was taken through an open window as it would have been awkward, time consuming and there were no forensic clues left behind.

It is far more likely, they say, that he simply walked out of the front door with her in his arms. It had been thought that the front door was double locked, making it impossible to open from the inside, but this doubt falls away if there was a duplicate key.

The theory suggests the kidnapper had been targeting the apartment for a long time and had a detailed knowledge of the lock system.

With the front door unlocked, it is easy to simply pull a latch across to open it from the inside.

Another possibility is that the front door was not double-locked when Kate and Gerry left through the unlocked patio doors to join their seven friends at the resort’s tapas bar some 30 metres from their apartment.

Meanwhile it emerged yesterday that the parents of a two-year-old girl who has gone missing in New Zealand are being supported by the McCanns.

Aisling Symes vanished from a relative’s house in an Auckland suburb on Monday.

Her mother Angela had been close by, standing beside a washing machine.

There have been reports that the girl was later seen with a woman of Asian appearance.

Detectives believe she was abducted. Despite repeated appeals for help their searches have so far drawn a blank.

Kate and Gerry McCann said their “thoughts and prayers” were with the family.

The little girl’s father, Allan Symes, who is originally from County Waterford in Ireland, made an emotional plea for her return, saying: “These recent days have proven to be the most harrowing of our lives; no sleep and we feel like we’re barely existing, just surviving every moment, not knowing where Aisling is.”

It has also emerged that police in Sweden are trying to find a girl said to bear a resemblance to Madeleine after a photograph was posted on a website.

However, she does not appear to have the distinctive mark Madeleine has in her right eye.

Article from: SundayExpress.co.uk

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Madeleine, Sean and Amelie McCann were Drugged after all!

By Dr Suusi Watson | The-Bastard.com

The latest from the McCann truth manipulation machine is that the kidnapper drugged all three children, to keep them quiet, when Madeleine was kidnapped. Not only that but he had a key!

Former police detectives David Edgar and Arthur Cowley claim to have spent months re-analysing every shred of evidence.

They are convinced the abductor went to the family’s apartment on May 3 2007 fully prepared with sufficient drugs, probably ­chloroform, to knock out all three children.

Rewind back two years, to August 2007 and Kate and Gerry McCann were denying that they had drugged their children.

The Portuguese Newspaper Correio de Manha suggested Madeleine's parents, both doctors, could have drugged Madeleine to help her sleep, accidentally giving her an fatal overdose.

Other Portuguese newspapers have repeatedly alleged that hair samples from Kate and Gerry McCann’s children show that the couple sedated the two-year-old twins, Sean and Amelie, and Madeleine on the night that she disappeared.

The McCann's have angrily denied the accusations, saying it was normal for their children to sleep through the night.

But then in October 2007 the couple claimed to have commissioned their own tests, which found no traces of sedatives in hair samples from Sean and Amelie.

A source close to the couple said: “Any legal team worth their salt would have these kinds of tests done. No evidence of sedatives were found in the twins’ systems.”

Hardly surprising if the hair was harvested in October, when the children's hair will have grown three inches in the six months in between the disappearance of Madeleine and now.

So after rubbishing the drugged theory we have a 180 degree turnaround. But then all is fair in love and war, and the 'Find Madeleine' fund is running out of cash, so that the McCanns' need to find another way of tapping the gullible public for donations.

Please Note that: the Find Madeleine fund is a private limited company, not a charity. As such the fund is not subject to the scrutiny of the Charities Commission, to ensure that it is administered wisely.

At the last set of accounts only some 17% had been spent on finding Madeleine. The rest on hotels, air fairs, phone bills and private detectives.

We should also like to point out that:

* although the McCanns' could ask the Portuguese police to re-open the case into the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, they have declined to.

*the Leicestershire police have resisted all attempts to get them to take up the investigation. As have the local social services

* Kate McCann obstructed the police investigation when she refused to answer more than 40 Question about the family, when asked by Portuguese Police.

So there is no REAL POLICE investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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Finally: a thought [TB]. Suppose the Portuguese Police had done toxicolgy tests on the children's hair and found banned sedatives. Suppose also that those results are among the quarter or so of documents in the case that have not been released by the Portuguese police. What would be the McCanns' way out if this evidence came to light?

Why...

The abductor did it!
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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 9:55

ufercoffy wrote:From Gerry's blog:

Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

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Fascinating stuff, here's Gerry's blog from 26 May 2007: Day 23

Yesterday was relatively quiet although we did meet the British ambassador and the senior British Police Officer who has been working here in Portugal on the case. This was a productive meeting. There was a flurry of activity amongst the media here stating the family was openly critical of the Portuguese policed which was not true. We did our best to dampen this down but a couple of papers carried stories with our ‘frustration’ with the investigation rather than what we said it was frustrating that 3 weeks down the line we still have not got Madeleine back. This would be the case which ever country we were in. Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

Today was extremely busy and tiring. We met with our press officer Clarence Mitchell, to discuss strategy for the fortcoming interviews. Kate attended a luncheon in aid of International Missing Child day and John, my brother, attended a similar event in London. After this John and Brian Kennedy, Kate’s uncle, who are both directors of Madeleine’s fund appointed an interim fund manager. We are now actively looking for a campaign manager who will be needed once our government press officer disappears.

The interviews were our first for TV and we were happy how they went. We did 10 min interviews for Sky, BBC, ITV, Portuguese TV/radio and one for the press association. A shorter interview with GM TV will be shown on Monday morning along with stuff from our fabulous web team. The interviewers were very kind but did not shirk from asking us some extremely difficult questions. We answered them all and although painful will allow us to move on in our search for Madeleine. Importantly, shortly after our interviews finished the Portuguese Police held a press conference and gave details of man they would like to interview who was seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance.
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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 9:57

Tony Bennett wrote:
ufercoffy wrote:From Gerry's blog:

Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

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Fascinating stuff, here's Gerry's blog from 26 May 2007: Day 23

Yesterday was relatively quiet although we did meet the British ambassador and the senior British Police Officer who has been working here in Portugal on the case. This was a productive meeting. There was a flurry of activity amongst the media here stating the family was openly critical of the Portuguese policed which was not true. We did our best to dampen this down but a couple of papers carried stories with our ‘frustration’ with the investigation rather than what we said it was frustrating that 3 weeks down the line we still have not got Madeleine back. This would be the case which ever country we were in. Some of you may have noticed that Sean and Amelie did manage to squeeze in a hair cut!

Today was extremely busy and tiring. We met with our press officer Clarence Mitchell, to discuss strategy for the fortcoming interviews. Kate attended a luncheon in aid of International Missing Child day and John, my brother, attended a similar event in London. After this John and Brian Kennedy, Kate’s uncle, who are both directors of Madeleine’s fund appointed an interim fund manager. We are now actively looking for a campaign manager who will be needed once our government press officer disappears.

The interviews were our first for TV and we were happy how they went. We did 10 min interviews for Sky, BBC, ITV, Portuguese TV/radio and one for the press association. A shorter interview with GM TV will be shown on Monday morning along with stuff from our fabulous web team. The interviewers were very kind but did not shirk from asking us some extremely difficult questions. We answered them all and although painful will allow us to move on in our search for Madeleine. Importantly, shortly after our interviews finished the Portuguese Police held a press conference and gave details of man*(1) they would like to interview who was seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance...

*(1) P.S. From Dave Edgar: "Wait a moment, Gerry. It could have been a woman!"
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Post by Guest 17.03.10 11:14

Interview with Nickly Campbell Radio 5 live (as always thanks to Nigel mccannfiles)



Philomena McCann Interview
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By Nigel Moore

Nicky Campbell: ...Gerry McCann's sister, Philomena McCann. Philomena, good morning, thank you for talking to us and joining us.

Philomena McCann: Good morning.

NC: Errr... good morning. Errm... give us an idea what Kate and Gerry are going through right now.

PM: Well, they're going through torment, aren't they? They've had to leave Portugal without their daughter; their beloved daughter who's the apple of their eye. They've left a country - that they never wanted to leave without Madeleine - and it's heartbreaking. However, they have had to look at Sean and Amelie and their safety and security and bring them home. They've done what's right for the children and to protect their welfare.

NC: And the fact that in some people's minds, now, because of the fact that they are suspects - 'arguido' - and, you know, there is... a doubt about their innocence has been sewn. How do they feel about that?

PM: Well, they're irate (laughs)...

NC: Irate?

PM: ...as we all are.

NC: Mmm...

PM: But peo... Yeah, of course, they're irate. They're very angry; they can't believe how this has turned round, but not just for the blackening of their name, but because the status of the investigation has changed. The Portuguese police need to be looking for Madeleine, not trying to look at evidence that implicates Gerry and Kate, who have absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. There is an abductor out there who must be laughing in his socks right now, knowing that the... the limelight has now totally gone from them and has been deflected onto Gerry and Kate, who are entirely innocent of this matter.

NC: What about these claims about the... the DNA? What... what do you make of that? The finding of Madeleine's blood, or rather DNA, in... in the... speculation is the hire car and also in the apartment.

PM: Well, I'm no criminologist, and no expert in this, but there's a phrase that I've watched in many a TV show and that's: 'Transference DNA'. Trans... Madeleine's DNA would be on their clothes, their hands and things and that lasts for a long, long time. I'm no expert, as I said, I don't know how long it lasts but now that Gerry and Kate know what the evidence is, they will be able to take legal advice on this and will understand this much further. You can't expect us to know exactly how to treat this; we need help and advice. As I said, this is completely new to us and we want experts to tell us exactly what this means.

NC: It's a nightmare for you, isn't it?

PM: It is a nightmare. Apart from anything else, we are, kind of, just professional people who go about our daily business and the media scrutiny has been intense - which also goes back to the fact that Kate and Gerry have been under immense media scrutiny since this happened. How could they possibly have done some of the things that are being suggested? Like: hide her body; dig her body up; put it in a car. There's not been a time when the media camera has not been on them; as soon as they've left the apartment; gone for a walk. We've watched it, on 24 hours, on TV. How can it be possible that they could have done these things? The allegations are ridiculous, at best.

NC: And just the other... another couple, just to... to get you to... to comment on: The claim that Kate had the smell of death on her clothes and also the claim that Madeleine had been sedated.

PM: (long pause) Yeah... I mean, sedated by what? I know the strongest thing that Kate and Gerry give to the kids is Calpol. If that's a sedative, then there must be 90% of the British public quaking in their boots because they all use it. It's pathetic. If that's what they're trying to suggest, it's fatuous, at best, and, other than that, Kate and Gerry are loving parents; they tried so hard to have children. They had to undergo IVF; Kate had difficult pregnancies. They were delighted to have Madeleine; their first born child. They would never do anything to harm her. The worst I've ever seen Kate and Gerry do, or even heard them say, is go and sit on the naughty step. That's hardly, you know, undermining her physically and mentally. It's crazy.

NC: What do you think, errr... Philomena, of the Portuguese police?

PM: Well, I think that they should be looking for Madeleine alive; I don't want Madeleine lost in all of this; on these allegations and counter allegations of whatever else. I don't really care about, you know, what's been said, I just want them to get out there and find Madeleine; do their job, look for her; look for her alive. The abductor has her, or has passed her on to someone else. They need to be looking for her actively. That's what's important in all this, it's Madeleine.

NC: Do you think she's still alive?

PM: Yes, I do think she's still alive. We have had no evidence contrary to that and as for cadaver dogs sniffing death on Kate; I mean, what is she? Lassie? Is she gonna speak to them and ask what they're smelling? Kate's a doctor - what does this mean? You know, they've been given a team that send her to go and sniff Kate's clothes and the dogs are told what to do. If they start barking, how are we supposed to interpret that? Except, perhaps, they're 'barking'.

NC: Philomena McCann, thank you very much.
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candyfloss wrote:Interview with Nickly Campbell Radio 5 live (as always thanks to Nigel mccannfiles)

NC: And just the other... another couple, just to... to get you to... to comment on: The claim that Kate had the smell of death on her clothes and also the claim that Madeleine had been sedated.

PM: (long pause) Yeah... I mean, sedated by what? I know the strongest thing that Kate and Gerry give to the kids is Calpol. If that's a sedative, then there must be 90% of the British public quaking in their boots because they all use it. It's pathetic. If that's what they're trying to suggest, it's fatuous, at best, and, other than that, Kate and Gerry are loving parents.
candyfloss, I'm grateful. That's just the sort of thing I was looking for.

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Tony, if you want another (private) Reference Forum set up, let me know - unless you're happy to use this forum.
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Kate McCanns witness statement 6 September 2007
May 3rd 2007

On May 3 they all woke between 7.30am and 8.00am. She doesn't know who woke first. They washed the children and had breakfast at the apartment between 8.00am and 8.30am. Food bought by her and Gerry at Baptista supermarket. Previously they'd had breakfast at the Millennium, but as it was so far they'd decided to have breakfast at the apartment. During breakfast the "crying episode", already described, took place. She noticed a stain, supposedly of tea, on Madeleine's pyjama top, which she washed a little later that same morning. She hung it to dry on a small stand, and it was dry by the afternoon. Madeleine sometimes drank tea; the stain did not appear during breakfast, maybe it happened another day, as Madeleine did not have tea the previous night and the stain was dry.

After breakfast they got dressed and left the apartment by the main door. All children went walking. The veranda door was closed and locked; she doesn't know whether the main door was locked or unlocked.

After leaving the apartment they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas; at the same time she supposes that Gerry took Madeleine to the creche next to the 24-hour reception area.

Once the children had been delivered, they went to the tennis courts for a scheduled tennis lesson. Kate's group lesson was at 9:15, Gerry's an hour later. She doesn't know what Gerry did during that free hour; she presumes he went to the apartment. When her lesson ended at 10.15am, she went to the recreation area next to the swimming pool to talk to Russell until Gerry's lesson was over. Afterwards, she is not sure, they went back together to the apartment until close to 12.15pm when she went to Madeleine's creche to pick her up, together with Fiona Payne. She signed the register and went to the twins' creche with the intention of picking them up, she thought she would meet Gerry there, not knowing if he already had the twins with him. Together with the three children they went to the apartment for lunch, with food bought at the supermarket. This would be around 12.35pm/12:40pm. They ate sandwiches, mainly she and Gerry, and the children maybe ate pasta. Lunch lasted around 20 minutes. After finishing lunch they stayed for a while at the apartment, then they went to the recreation area next to the pool, as the children were somewhat restless, maybe tired or bored. They remained at this area an hour, maybe more, then they left the twins at the creche next to the Tapas and both of them took Madeleine to the other creche. They went via a path in front of the small reception and then through gardens and stairs, taking a short cut. This route was the one mentioned by Gerry.

After leaving Madeleine around 2.50pm, they both had, this one time, an individual tennis lesson just for the two of them, and as the court was empty, they began hitting some balls until it was time for their lesson.

She doesn't remember if they were wearing appropriate clothes or if they went to the apartment to change.

The lesson ended an hour afterwards, close to 4.30pm. Gerry continued playing tennis with a guest called Jason who belonged to his tennis group, while she went for a jog along the beach, for around half an hour. She saw the others of the group, children and grown ups; she was disappointed as nobody had told her they were going to the beach and Madeleine would have loved to have gone with them. She cannot confirm whether she went to the apartment between the tennis game and the jog.

When she finished jogging, around 5.20pm/5.30pm she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn't, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.

They arrived at the apartment around 5.40pm, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6.00pm. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6.00pm Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door.

After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

While the children were eating and looking at some books, Kate had a shower which lasted around 5 minutes. After showering, at around 6.30pm/6.40pm and while she was getting dry, she heard somebody knocking at the veranda door. She wrapped herself in a towel and went to see who it was. This door was closed but not locked as Gerry had left by this door. She confirmed it was David Payne, because he called out and had opened the door slightly. David's visit was to help her to take the children to the recreation area. When David returned from the beach he was with Gerry at the tennis courts, and it was Gerry who asked him to help Kate with taking the children to the recreation area, which had been arranged but did not take place. David was at the apartment for around 30 seconds, he didn't actually enter the flat, he remained at the veranda door. According to her he then left for the tennis courts where Gerry was. The time was around 6.30-6.40pm.

After David left, Kate dressed and sat with the children, Madeleine on her lap. She was wearing a top, she doesn't remember what colour it was, a green long-sleeved t-shirt, blue denim trousers. Trainers (tennis shoes) and white socks.

She read a story to the children in the living room, on the sofa in front of the door to the veranda, identified on the diagram with the letter D. At 7.00pm Gerry arrived and entered via the veranda door. He sat on the sofa identified with letter E. Doesn't know if the story was finished, but thinks she was sitting on the sofa.

She doesn't remember having changed the layout of the furniture in the living room, the sofas, the table or others. She says that the sofa (letter E) supposedly was against the side window, because she doesn't remember anyone having gone behind it. She does not know if this window was open or closed, she does not remember it ever being open, or of it being watched.

After Gerry arrived the children went to wash their teeth and she then read them another story, this time all four of them sitting on Madeleine's bed. She thinks that Gerry entered the room, but does not recall him sitting on the bed. During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, alert and paying attention to the story. After both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its cot at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold. She normally clutched the soft toy and if she wasn't holding it then it was next to her, on the left. She remained lying down on her left side, with the soft toy and a pink blanket, to cover her. The twins were laid down on their backs, covered with open weave blankets. She says that she doesn’t know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

It was around 7.15pm when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she says she is sure of this.

As the children were asleep, she dried her hair and put on make up. Gerry maybe had a shower and they sat on one of the sofas in the living room, she doesn't know which. She had a glass of wine, poured by Gerry, and he had wine or beer. The wine was from New Zealand, white.

Gerry was wearing blue denim trousers and trainers (tennis shoes). She doesn't remember what else he was wearing.

They talked while they drank. Around 8.30-8.35pm they left for the Tapas restaurant. Before leaving they checked on the children, she doesn't know who; however Gerry says it was him. She only knows the children were quiet. She doesn't know if they were in their same positions. She says she is sure that they were asleep, because Gerry told her all was quiet.

They left by the veranda door, which they left closed but not locked. Main door was closed but not locked. She thinks it could be opened from the inside but not from the outside. She thinks she was wearing a cream coloured polo fleece with a zip, and on top a blue raincoat also with a zip. As regards Gerry, she doesn't know if he was wearing other items of clothing.

With respect to the objects she says they took with them: their mobile phones. Gerry might have taken a wallet with money. Not sure if they took a camera.

Regarding the apartment: windows were closed but she doesn't know if they were locked. Veranda window closed but not locked, curtains closed. The second window in the living room was probably closed, she did not touch it and does not know if the shutters were closed. The kitchen window was probably closed but with the shutters open as there was light in the kitchen.

The window in Madeleine's room remained closed, but she doesn't know if it was locked, shutters and curtains drawn. The window remained like this since the first day, night and day. She never opened it. If somebody saw the window shutters in Madeleine's room open, it was not Kate who opened them, she never saw them open.

The window in Kate's room was closed and she admits they used the shutters, because Gerry broke them and they were repaired on the Monday; the incident occurred on Sunday.

Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.

The interview was stopped at around 8.00pm for a rest period and food; it was recommenced at 10:00pm.

Kate says that on the 3rd they left the apartment leaving the children sleeping. Knowing that Madeleine sometimes woke and got up, she did not worry about leaving her alone, because when this happened, and it wasn't always, it was around 2.00 - 3.00am at which time they would be back in the apartment.

They left the apartment between 8.30-8.35pm, and headed straight for the Tapas where they arrived 1 minute later maximum. None of the group were at the Tapas because they were usually the first to arrive, but she isn't sure this was the case every night. There was a couple there who they knew, S and C xxxx who belonged to Gerry's tennis group. They talked with them for a few moments before sitting down. Meanwhile, while they talked to S and C the rest of their group arrived and sat down at a round table, where they sat every day. Order of arrival: Kate and Gerry, Jane alone, Mathew and Rachel, Russell, and then she thinks David, Fiona and Diane. She makes a sketch of the table and says that both she and Gerry were not facing the apartments. Sketch attached.

Dinner began around 9.00pm, and she thinks the nine adults were at the table. She ate steak and maybe sardines. Drank white wine and water.

She doesn't know if anyone took photographs that night, however she thinks that Rachael took photos on one of the nights. Fiona also took some photos but she thinks it was probably another night. She doesn't know whether Fiona had a camera with her that night. She remembers hearing a comment that night about a camera being forgotten, but she doesn’t know who said this or who the camera belonged to.

Gerry was the first one to check on the children, this was decided on the spot, close to 9.00 - 9.05pm. He got up from the table and entered the apartment through the veranda door. He came back to the table after 10 minutes; he implied that the children were asleep. He'd met a tennis friend by the name of Jez, with whom he had a chat. During this check, she thinks that Gerry did not check on the children of any other couple, because it was usual just to check on their own children. She never checked on any other child, other than her own.

At 9.30pm she got up to go and check on her children at the same time as Matthew, who said he was going to check on his daughter Grace in apartment 5B and could check on her children. She hesitated, however he said not to worry he was going anyway.

After less than 10 minutes Matthew returned to the Tapas, saying all was quiet. At that moment she did not ask him if he went inside the apartment, however she assumed he had checked on her children, entering by the veranda door which was closed but not locked.

Aside from Matt, she does not remember if anyone else got up from the table.

At 10.00pm she got up from the table, as it was her turn after having been replaced by Matt. She entered the apartment by the veranda door which was closed, but as already said, not locked.

At this moment, and because it was so late, 11.00pm, the interview was interrupted and will be continued tomorrow morning.

She says nothing further. Reads the statement, finds it OK and signs it together with the Interpreter and Attorney.
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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 11:38

candyfloss wrote:Kate McCanns witness statement 6 September 2007 - May 3rd 2007

Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.

The interview was stopped at around 8.00pm for a rest period and food; it was recommenced at 10:00pm.
Calpol used only when needed? Hmmm.
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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 11:38

Tony Bennett wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Kate McCanns witness statement 6 September 2007 - May 3rd 2007

Before they left she took some precautions: put the medicine inside a bag with a clasp in her room inside the wardrobe or the dresser. These were Calpol (paracetamol) and Nurofen (Ibuprofen), for fevers and pains, both for adults and children (liquid form for children). In this bag there was also a small pair of scissors. In the kitchen were cutting elements used to prepare the meals and which were not put out of sight. During their trips it was normal for them to take these medicines. During these holidays she never gave any medicine to her children, nor did Gerry. She now says that Gerry took medicine for acidity called Losec (omeprozole) which they also possessed.

The interview was stopped at around 8.00pm for a rest period and food; it was recommenced at 10:00pm.
Calpol used only when needed? Hmmm.

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Glad to help Tony, will keep looking
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Post by Jill Havern 17.03.10 11:50

Calpol night

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Mild to moderate pain, fever and colds in childrenParacetamol, diphenhydramine hydrochlorideMcNeil
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Calpol night oral solution contains two active ingredients, paracetamol and diphenhydramine hydrochloride.
Paracetamol is a simple painkilling medicine used to relieve mild to moderate pain and fever. Despite its widespread use for over 100 years, we still don't fully understand how paracetamol works to relieve pain and reduce fever. However, it is now thought that it works by reducing the production of prostaglandins in the brain and spinal cord.
The body produces prostaglandins in response to injury and certain diseases. One of the effects of prostaglandins is to sensitise nerve endings, causing pain (presumably to prevent us from causing further harm to the area). As paracetamol reduces the production of these nerve sensitising prostaglandins it is thought it may increase our pain threshold, so that although the cause of the pain remains, we can feel it less.
It is thought paracetamol reduces fever by affecting an area of the brain that regulates our body temperature (the hypothalamic heat-regulating center).
Diphenhydramine is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine. It enters the brain in sufficient quantities to cause drowsiness.
Diphenhydramine drys nasal secretions, by stopping a natural body chemical called histamine from binding to its receptors. Histamine is a chemical produced naturally by the body that has many effects, including the production of allergic symptoms, such as a runny nose. Blocking histamine receptors prevents the actions of histamine, which reduces the production of mucus in the nose.
The combination of active ingredients in this medicine is useful for relieving mild to moderate pain such as teething pain, headaches and sore throat, and for relieving the symptoms of feverish colds and flu in children. The relief from symptoms and the mild sedative effect caused by the medicine can also be helpful for aiding restful sleep.

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Post by Tony Bennett 17.03.10 11:59

jkh wrote:Calpol night

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Main useActive ingredientManufacturer
Mild to moderate pain, fever and colds in childrenParacetamol, diphenhydramine hydrochlorideMcNeil
How does it work?


Calpol night oral solution contains two active ingredients, paracetamol and diphenhydramine hydrochloride.
Paracetamol is a simple painkilling medicine used to relieve mild to moderate pain and fever. Despite its widespread use for over 100 years, we still don't fully understand how paracetamol works to relieve pain and reduce fever. However, it is now thought that it works by reducing the production of prostaglandins in the brain and spinal cord.
The body produces prostaglandins in response to injury and certain diseases. One of the effects of prostaglandins is to sensitise nerve endings, causing pain (presumably to prevent us from causing further harm to the area). As paracetamol reduces the production of these nerve sensitising prostaglandins it is thought it may increase our pain threshold, so that although the cause of the pain remains, we can feel it less.
It is thought paracetamol reduces fever by affecting an area of the brain that regulates our body temperature (the hypothalamic heat-regulating center).
Diphenhydramine is a type of medicine called a sedating antihistamine. It enters the brain in sufficient quantities to cause drowsiness.
Diphenhydramine drys nasal secretions, by stopping a natural body chemical called histamine from binding to its receptors. Histamine is a chemical produced naturally by the body that has many effects, including the production of allergic symptoms, such as a runny nose. Blocking histamine receptors prevents the actions of histamine, which reduces the production of mucus in the nose.
The combination of active ingredients in this medicine is useful for relieving mild to moderate pain such as teething pain, headaches and sore throat, and for relieving the symptoms of feverish colds and flu in children. The relief from symptoms and the mild sedative effect caused by the medicine can also be helpful for aiding restful sleep.

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I think Jill that 'Calpol night' was only put on the market in September 2007 - four months after Madeleine 'disappeared'
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