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Post by Jill Havern 17.03.10 7:45

The alleged blood spatters on the wall in the living room at 5A. Were there blood spatters on the wall, if so where, and is there any evidence at all they were Madeleine’s, or could they have been someone else’s?
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Post by Guest 22.10.10 11:03

I copied this from a document a long time ago, but unfortunately did not keep a copy of which one, sorry.



Between 15h00 on August 4th 2007 and 06h30 on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.

Samples 1A to 3B: recovered on the floor.

Samples 4A to 13B: recovered on the wall.

Samples 14A to 15B: recovered behind the sofa.

Sample 16A: recovered from the blue curtain.

Samples 16B: recovered from the white curtain behind the blue curtain.

All of these elements have been handed over to the Birmingham Forensic Science Services. (FSS)



Now, if the white curtain behind the blue curtain was also contaminated with blood, this might suggest that the accident occurred during daylight hours? As that window is overlooked by more apartments, for privacy I would think that the McCann’s would close those curtains every night and they were found closed when the PJ arrived.
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Post by Jill Havern 22.10.10 11:51

Stella wrote:I copied this from a document a long time ago, but unfortunately did not keep a copy of which one, sorry.

Between 15h00 on August 4th 2007 and 06h30 on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.

Date: 31 July 2007 - 20h00:

Report: Inspection of the apartments


Participants:

PJ: Tavares A. & Ricardo P. Inspectors

UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime (UK Forensic Canine P SM Expert),
Eddie & Keela (English Springers)

Silvia B. Manager of the Ocean Club complex.


On that date, inspections were conducted in the apartments occupied by members of the McCann family as well as the group who were with them at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.
It was only on that date that the apartment, identified as that of the parents, was empty allowing further investigation which was authorised by the respective occupants. Thus, at the appointed time, the search with the dogs began, covering the following apartments:

5A (Gerry/Kate McCann):


From 20h00 to 21h20, the dogs go through.

20h20: The cadaver dog, "marks," the couple's wardrobe area in the bedroom.

20h22: The cadaver dog, "marks" an area behind the sofa in the sitting room near the window overlooking the road.

From 20h47 to 21h20, the blood detecting dog goes through.

21h10 The dog, "marks" an area of floor behind the sofa in the sitting room, near the window overlooking the road.

5B (Matthew/Rachael Oldfield):


21h24 to 21h27: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5D (Russell O'Brien/Jane Tanner):


21h29 to 21h34: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

5H (David/Fiona Payne & Dianne Webster):


21h35 to 21h38: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

4G (McCanns' second Ocean Club apartment):


21h42 to 21h45: The cadaver dog did not alert on anything.

Garden belonging to apartment 5A (with access via the balcony and the steps):

21h49 to 22h00: The cadaver dog "marks" an area of the garden immediately below the window.

Date: 01 August 2007 - 06h00

Report: Inspection of the surrounding areas.


After evaluation of the area surrounding the Ocean Club tourist village, based in Praia da Luz, taking account of the characteristic topography of the ground and the distance from where the small child Madeleine McCann disappeared, an inspection was carried out with the help of dogs specialised in the detection of cadaver odour, in various places, such as described:

1 - At 06h40, an area between the "Piteira" road and the "Oliveira" road, was inspected. At 07h15 the inspection was completed with nothing being detected by the dogs.

2 - At 07h25, an area adjacent to the "BEIJAFLOR" property on the "Figueira," road, defined by the "Ramalhete" road. An inspection of the whole area was made and nothing abnormal was noted. The inspection was completed at 07h45.

3 - At 07h55, an area between the "Casa Azul" residence on the "Figueira" road and the "Casa Pandora" residence as well as a dirt road on the left of the "Figueira" road was inspected by the dogs without anything abnormal being noted. The inspection ended at 08h05.

4 - At 08h20, an area between the residences "Casa Pandora" on the "Figueira" road, "Quinta Mimosa" and "Casa Ladeira" without anything abnormal being noted. The inspection ended at 08h40.

A photographic report of the places inspected is attached.

Initial conclusion.

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

Faced with new elements revealed by the dog handling unit's search, attached to the report, and on the basis of Mark Harrison's report, there is every reason to believe that the small child Madeleine McCann died in apartment 5A where she was spending her holiday with her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz. Following the markings by the cadaver odour detecting dogs and traces of human blood inside the apartment from which the child disappeared, we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before. In this report, several places were marked, signaling the presence of cadaver odour and human blood. In addition, we can observe that a cadaver odour was detected in the garden adjacent to apartment 5A. Nothing was detected in the other residences.

It follows from this investigation that there are indications, in practice and in the facts, of the crime of murder such as defined in ArticleQI310 of the Penal Code.

So as to go further with this lead, of which certain results may reveal new evidence, we request authorisation to carry out further inspections, within the legal framework, in two distinct places:

1 - Rue des Fleurs no...The McCann family's current residence in Portugal.


2 - Rented vehicle Renault Scenic, registration ...DA - 27.

We suggest that this inspection is entrusted to the PJ and ask the Public Prosecutor for a 20 day mandate. Thus, we consider that there are indications that consolidate strong suspicions according to which, there are elements of evidence of a crime, inside the vehicle used by the McCanns and, moreover, likely to reveal important details of fundamental importance for the investigation.


Date: 02 August 2007 - 18h14

Report: 27 Rue das Floras- Praia Da Luz - Lagos

Participants:

PJ: Ricardo P & J. Carlos P., inspectors.
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime & Eddie.

On that date, within the context of a residential search, carried out at the McCann couple's current residence, an inspection by a dog handling team was made. Thus, at the time indicated at the beginning of the report, all areas of the property were inspected and the following results obtained:

18h36 - The dog Eddie, who detects cadaver odours, "marked" the area of a cupboard in the living room. On checking, the dog was indicating a pink soft toy belonging to MadeleineMcCann.


The clothes

Date: August 2nd 2007 - 23h20

On that date, following the home visit made to the McCanns' current residence, on the Rue des Fleurs, various items of clothing were laid out in an appropriate place for this purpose, to carry out an inspection by the dog handling unit.

The collected items of clothing were set out individually with the agreement and under the directions provided by the British technicians, the dogs having previously covered the space where the clothing was laid out.

1 - 23h20: Prior reconnaissance of the place by the two canine units to guarantee that the space was clear of all odours being sought. The reconnaissance was completed at 23h30 without anything being signalled by the dogs.

2 - 23h30: An initial inspection by the human blood detecting dog, began with the clothing packed in the box bearing the notation: "Living room." At 23h40, the inspection was completed without the dog showing anything abnormal.

23h41: The canine human remains recovery dog started its inspection and "marked" various clothes. The inspection was completed at 23h52. The clothes were returned to their box for later use.

From 00h02 until 01h30, (03/08/07) all the other boxes, containing clothing from the twins' bedroom, from the friends' bedroom, from the bedroom of the couple labelled 1 & 2, as well as the empty luggage, was inspected by the two dogs without conclusive results.
Apartment 5A - OCEAN CLUB

As joinder to the procedure. It is made known and according to superior orders that today at 20h00, specialists from LPC (Police forensics lab) Fernando V. and Lino R., after having seen the recorded images resulting from the inspection by the dog handling unit on 31/07/07 in apartment 5A, duly mandated, proceeded with the collection of whole floor tiles where the dogs used in the inspection indicated the possible existence of traces of human blood as well as the presence of a body in the apartment. The tiles were lifted so as to preserve possible samples to be analysed by the appropriate laboratory. This entire action was filmed in order to illustrate the way in which the lifting was accomplished and with what tools so that the experts had a better idea of the work.

Date: 04 and 05 August 2007

Report: Casa Liliana, residence of the suspect Robert Murat, situated on "Ramalhete" road - Praia da Luz - Lagos.

Participants:

PJ: Tavares A., chief inspector, J. Carlos P., Ricardo P, inspectors
UK: Mark Harrison, Martin Grime and Eddie.

On that date, within the context of residential visits, which were carried out at the home of the suspect ROBERT MURAT, an inspection by the dog handling unit was made in the gardens and inside the residence of the accused.

August 4th 2007 - 19h28: Start of the inspection of the gardens of the residence. Eddie, human remains recovery dog, covered the whole perimeter outside the dwelling and nothing abnormal was signalled.

August 5th 2007 - 15h22: The same dog inspected all rooms of the residence and nothing in particular was signalled.

RUSSELL O'BRIEN

To the coordinator of the criminal investigation.

In the context of the investigation, we have collected information concerning a vehicle used by RUSSELL O'BRIEN, friend and member of the group who spent their holiday with the McCann family in the Algarve . At the time of the request for vehicles considered important to the procedures that follow, we were not aware of the identification details of this vehicle. Meantime, our investigation has led us to establish that it may be a vehicle of the "Opel" range, a "Corsa" model, registration....AG - 62. At the present time, we do not have a mandate to search for and seize the vehicle to allow us to add the vehicle to the planned inspections. As a consequence, we request such a legal mandate in order to be able to realize the planned inspections.
Samples sent to the lab

Between 15h00 on August 4th 2007 and 06h30 on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.

Samples 1A to 3B: recovered on the floor.


Samples 4A to 13B: recovered on the wall.

Samples 14A to 15B: recovered behind the sofa.

Sample 16A: recovered from the blue curtain.

Samples 16B: recovered from the white curtain behind the blue curtain.

All of these elements have been handed over to the Birmingham Forensic Science Services. (FSS)

Date: 06 and 07 August 2007


Report: Between August 6th at 21h30 and August 7th at 04h00, the following samples were recovered in the grey Renault Scenic car.

From the driver's side:

1A: Hair
1B: Fibre and hairs
1C: Fibres and hairs
1D: Fingernail

Front passenger side:

2A: Hair
2B: Hair
2C: Fibres and hairs
2D: Fibres and hairs
2E: Fingernail

Between the seats:

3A: Hair

Back seat:

4A: Hair
4B: Fibres and hairs
4C: Fibres and hairs

Centre seat:

5A: Hair
5B: Fibres and hairs
5C: Fibres and hairs

Right-hand seat:

6A: Hair
6B: Fibres and hairs
6C: Fibres and hairs

Luggage compartment (rear boot)

7A: Hair
7B: Fibres and hairs
7C: Fibres

8A: Hair
8B: Fibres and hairs
8C: Fibres and hairs

9, 10 and 11: Hair

12: Car key

13: Control samples of seat fabric

All of these were handed over to Birmingham FSS for analyses.

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Post by listener 22.10.10 13:31

And ALL these samples were then (we are told) conveniently 'contaminated' and rendered useless - by one of the (then) top forensic labs in the world!
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Post by Guest 22.10.10 13:43

The alleged blood spatters on the wall 759815 Thank you jkh for locating the original document for me. The alleged blood spatters on the wall 658346
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Post by Guest 22.10.10 14:11

There was a really interesting program on Channel 5 not so long ago called CSI the real body farm, or something like that. All I remember is that it was due to be shown over several weeks and was aired around the time of the release of the 13 spots on the wall picture. It was just getting really interesting when without any explanation the rest of the episodes were cancelled. But what I did see, really made me think about those indicators on the wall. It showed you what an arterial bleed would look like on a wall and floor, it also showed you what would happen if someone made direct contact with the wall.

For me, the most interesting bit about what was found in 5a, was when Keela alerted to the hem of the blue curtain. A curtain which was well hidden behind a sofa, which would have been completely protected from any projectile blood spatters and was in a place where no one ever walked. Which can only mean that the sofa was moved before an accident. Or, someone who was bleeding hid behind the sofa. As far as I can see there are no other alternatives.
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