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Post by tigger on 16.12.12 15:56

@ Chatelaine. I have to take issue with one expression in the above post:

'behaving like wild animals'. Wild animals don't have agendas, they tend to kill in order to eat or because they perceive a threat. Wild animals certainly don't kill out of revenge. Any more than your lovely wolfhounds would kill to 'get their own back'.
But I know you didn't mean it like that. roses

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Post by PeterMac on 17.12.12 8:37

Gradually it is beginning to come out.
Mother was a total nutter, survivalist and believer in apocalyptic nonsense, collector of guns and many thousands of rounds of ammunition, and horder of food and so on and predictably on.
Also extremely pushy towards the boy, had been home schooling him.
Boy was clearly mentally disturbed, and the signs had been recognised for many years.
and so on.

Father had got out a long time ago.

For her, of course, the prediction came true.

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Post by Guest on 17.12.12 9:41

I haven't seen any reports of home schooling; certainly a bad sign for me, it usually (but not always of course) indicates religious fruit loops but according to this one, he did attend school.

http://news.sky.com/story/1026201/adam-lanza-school-gunman-socially-awkward
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Post by PeterMac on 17.12.12 12:42

His school years came to an abrupt end when his mother had a dispute with local education officials and ended up having her son home-schooled.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249185/Connecticut-school-shooting-Did-paranoid-gun-crazed-mother-trigger-Adam-Lanzas-killing-spree.html#ixzz2FJRG2ZdK

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Post by HiDeHo on 17.12.12 15:40

My contribution...

VERY SPECIAL TRIBUTE: Newtown VICTIMS and HEROS that GAVE THEIR LIVES to protect them

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Post by Guest on 20.12.12 17:33

Friends, there is a gift that God has given me: I can smell something fishy a mile away. Like Benghazi. Almost on day one, I told my husband: “The facts don’t make sense. Something is wrong here.”
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Post by Guest on 20.12.12 20:21

@HiDeHo wrote:My contribution...

VERY SPECIAL TRIBUTE: Newtown VICTIMS and HEROS that GAVE THEIR LIVES to protect them


that's effing moving as well as só beautiful HiDeHo

thnx mate
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Post by HiDeHo on 20.12.12 20:26

Thanks parapono...lol
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Post by PeterMac on 20.12.12 23:14

Christmas time is always good for gun sales. FBI records of background checks, gun permit applications and sales reported by gun stores all tend to be the highest in November and December each year.
However, a recent uptick in the sale of guns across Indiana seems to be the result of more than the upcoming holiday season.
This weekend at Freedom Firearms in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, sales were 12 times greater than average.
“With the recent events, the shooting in Connecticut and the subsequent shootings across the country, our business has gone through the roof,” says owner Angie Freeland.
Freeland’s customers have responded to current events and political fears in the past, but the recent trend is unparalleled. In addition to concerns for personal safety, Freeland says her customers are buying up assault rifles and high capacity ammunition magazines at a record pace, so much so that her store, along with many around the nation, is completely out of stock.
She says customers are relaying their fears that with the recent shootings, Congress will pass legislation banning the products or at least making them harder to acquire.
“That’s their fear, now whether they’re warranted or not that’s not for me to decide,” Freeland says. “So, that’s what I’m hearing. I’ve also heard that they fear that their guns will be confiscated.”
When someone tries to buy a new gun from a retail store, the seller is required to check the customer’s name against the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The NIC system, which is run by the FBI, has been so inundated with calls in the past week that the service has temporarily shut down.
Indiana State Police public information officer Sgt. Richard Myers says that County Sheriffs he has talked to in Indiana have also reported a dramatic increase in the number of gun permit applications for the month of December.
The prospect of a renewed assault weapons ban in the wake of the Connecticut school massacre has set of a round of buying, as thousands of Americans head to their local gun store to secure the popular AR-15 -- the model used by the school gunman -- before potential government prohibitions on their purchase.
They are also buying the .223 ammunition used by the AR-15 and the type of high-capacity magazines covered under the last federal assault weapons ban, which Congress let expire without renewing.
The Colorado Bureau of Investigation says it set a new record for single-day background check submittals this past weekend.
In San Diego, Northwest Armory gun store owner Karl Durkheimer said Saturday "was the biggest day we've seen in 20 years. Sunday will probably eclipse that."
In southwest Ohio, from dawn to dusk a Cincinnati gun show had a line of 400 waiting to get in, said Joe Eaton of the Buckeye Firearms Association.
"Sales were through the roof on Saturday," said Eaton. "People were buying everything they could out of fear the president would try to ban certain guns and high-capacity magazines."
The deluge of buyers had officials working overtime. Background checks that normally took 15 minutes in California took more than four hours, Durkheimer said. In Colorado, background checks that normally take minutes turned into wait times of more than 12 hours, CBI spokeswoman Susan Medina told the Denver Post.
"We had to call in extra staff," Medina was quoted in the Post story. "The wait times were high."
The CBI says it processed more than 4,200 background checks on Saturday, the day after the Newtown, Conn., shooting. That surpassed the previous high of 4,028. Nationwide, FBI data shows 16.4 million background checks were run in 2011. An agency spokesman said Monday it did not keep daily numbers and would not have figures for December until early January.
The Connecticut gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, killed his mother before taking her car and her rifle and two handguns and driving to the Sandy Hook Elementary School. There he killed 20 children and six adults before taking his own life.
In the aftermath of the tragedy, Democratic lawmakers have argued there is a need for new gun measures, and President Obama has seemed to move in that direction without voicing support for specific legislation.
Gun owners aren't just afraid of losing their right to buy certain guns. Jeff Serdy, owner of AJI Sporting Goods in Apache Junction, Ariz., said his buyers were buying ammunition.
"I am selling a ton of ammunition," Serdy said. "My people figure it is easier for the president to ban ammunition sales than to get a gun bill through Congress."
Other countries have tried limiting the sale of ammunition as an easier alternative to banning guns. Mexico for example, bans any "military cartridge." In the U.S., the AR-15 and M-16 ammunition use the same bullet, the .223 and NATO 5.56 mm round.
Serdy said he was out of the cheaper $700 to $800 versions of the AR-15 but still had some priced at $1100 and up.
The AR-15 is the civilian version of the military's M-16 and M-4. In surveys, about 50 percent of buyers say they own AR-15s for target practice; 30 percent for hunting and the rest for personal protection. Despite often being called a fringe gun by critics, the AR-15 is the most popular gun sold in the US today, according to gun dealers. Roughly 220,000 were sold in 2010, after peaking at more than 300,000 immediately following Obama's election.
Sen. Diane Feinstein said Monday she will introduce a new assault weapons bill in January to stop the sale of more than 100 types of assault weapons.
"On the first day of the new Congress, I intend to introduce a bill stopping the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of assault weapons as well as large ammunition magazines, strips and drums that hold more than 10 rounds," Feinstein said. "I am in the process of gathering support for the bill in the Senate and House."
The previous assault weapons ban lasted from 1994 through 2004. It defined an assault weapon as any gun that was:
- semi automatic, meaning one round is fired per each pull of the trigger
- used a detachable magazine
And featured any two of the following attributes:
- a folding or telescopic stock
- a pistol grip
- a bayonet mount
- a flash suppressor
- a grenade launcher
While the weapons look menacing, many gun advocates say they are no more deadly than some other guns that use a larger and heavier bullet. And since they are semi-automatic, they should not be called or confused with the fully automatic military version. Nor should a gun used by millions be outlawed because of the actions of a mentally ill young man.
Critics however say these high-power weapons, capable of firing multiple rounds quickly, are too dangerous, since their high velocity rounds can pierce most body armor and
their magazines allow for mass shootings.
Yet, statistics show, unlike handguns or shotguns, rifles account for only a fraction of homicides in the United States. Of 12,664 murder victims last year, only 323 were killed with rifles, according to the FBI.
Both the Paducah, Ky., and Columbine, Colo., mass school killings occurred during the 10-year ban. In Paducah, the killer used a .22 caliber long rifle, 12 gauge pump-action shotgun and a Ruger MK II .22-caliber pistol.
In Columbine, the shooters used 99 explosive devices, a 12 gauge pump action shotgun. Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine, a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun, and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun.
In 2007, the Virginia Tech shooter used a Glock and Walther handgun to kill 32 and wounded 17.
More recently, AR-15s were used in the Colorado movie theater shooting, one last week in a Portland, Ore. mall and in the Newton elementary massacre.
Even investors apparently believe this time Congress may act, fearing the long-term outlook is worse than a short-term sales bounce. Share prices for gun makers like Strum Ruger, Smith and Wesson and were down 4 to 8 percent the last two business days.
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Post by Woofer on 22.12.12 16:31

There are different reports that disagree from the main news story that this atrocity was carried out by one man. They`re showing that there were 2 other shooters besides Adam Lanza.

Also querying whether its just a coincidence that Adam Lanza`s father was due to testify at senate hearing of Libor invesigation, just as the father of the James Holmes, the Batman mass killer, was due to testify.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.12.12 16:48

@Woofer wrote:There are different reports that disagree from the main news story that this atrocity was carried out by one man. They're showing that there were 2 other shooters besides Adam Lanza.
Not only that, but there is footage from a helicopter of at least one person running away from the school being held down and handcuffed -but now we hear no more about this from the mainstream media, only in the sceptic media. Moa, your instinct may prove correct...

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Post by Guest on 22.12.12 17:31

Moa wrote:Friends, there is a gift that God has given me: I can smell something fishy a mile away. Like Benghazi. Almost on day one, I told my husband: “The facts don’t make sense. Something is wrong here.”
Read more:

[url=http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/
http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/[/quote[/url]]

Tony, Moa was quoting from somebody else's blog.

I agree that there are things here which are strange.

The gunman is supposed to have used his brother's ID hence the incorrect initial identification - how did he obtain that as they hadn't seen each other for two years?

Sadly, after 9/11 and 7/7, we can no longer believe anything that we are told. I'm sure we couldn't before then either but it's just so much more blatant now!
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Post by cath2756 on 27.12.12 17:34

Moa wrote:Friends, there is a gift that God has given me: I can smell something fishy a mile away. Like Benghazi. Almost on day one, I told my husband: “The facts don’t make sense. Something is wrong here.”
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http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">]

Agreed and this didn't do anything to persuade me otherwise [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w


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Post by Guest on 27.12.12 17:38

@cath2756 wrote:
Moa wrote:Friends, there is a gift that God has given me: I can smell something fishy a mile away. Like Benghazi. Almost on day one, I told my husband: “The facts don’t make sense. Something is wrong here.”
Read more:

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">]

Agreed and this didn't do anything to persuade me otherwise [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

seconded!

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Post by cath2756 on 27.12.12 18:44

Sorry for quoting you, Moa. I didn't realise it was from another blogger until I came back online

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 27.12.12 23:18

Jean wrote:I haven't seen any reports of home schooling; certainly a bad sign for me, it usually (but not always of course) indicates religious fruit loops but according to this one, he did attend school.

http://news.sky.com/story/1026201/adam-lanza-school-gunman-socially-awkward
LOL certainly not a religious fruit-loop job in my case Jean!!! :)

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Post by tigger on 28.12.12 7:35

@cath2756 wrote:
Moa wrote:Friends, there is a gift that God has given me: I can smell something fishy a mile away. Like Benghazi. Almost on day one, I told my husband: “The facts don’t make sense. Something is wrong here.”
Read more:

http://shortlittlerebel.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/urgent-update-on-connecticut-shooting/[/quote[/url" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">]

Agreed and this didn't do anything to persuade me otherwise [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w




That is even worse than the well known clip from the McCanns, smiling and laughing broadly just before the interview.

This guy isn't smiling automatically or nervously, it's a bright wide, confident smile one might expect from a person who has few cares in the world.
His stance is relaxed, no nervousness about the camera. Very much get the feeling he's done this before. Launches into his piece. This stinks.

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Post by Guest on 28.12.12 9:20

Here's a longer version of the interview with the same man.



It's certainly odd behaviour but I don't know how I would react in a situation like that. Alarm bells go off though at the mention at the end of money being raised for his daughter......

I think that some of the initial reports of more than one gunman are understandable in view of the absolute panic and chaos there must have been. I believe that one or two men were found in the neighbouring woods but they could have been there quite by chance - we possibly don't need to know what they were doing!

Rainbow-Fairy: I added the "not always of course" about the reason for home schooling specifically for you!
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Post by tigger on 28.12.12 11:52

Jean wrote:Here's a longer version of the interview with the same man.



It's certainly odd behaviour but I don't know how I would react in a situation like that. Alarm bells go off though at the mention at the end of money being raised for his daughter......

I think that some of the initial reports of more than one gunman are understandable in view of the absolute panic and chaos there must have been. I believe that one or two men were found in the neighbouring woods but they could have been there quite by chance - we possibly don't need to know what they were doing!

Rainbow-Fairy: I added the "not always of course" about the reason for home schooling specifically for you!

It's still weird at the full length. For a start, the poor little girl is immediately raised to sainthood status. It's all about the little girl, nothing about the parents how they feel, how her siblings are coping. Another abstract little angel, she was a little girl, we still know little about her apart from the sainthood.
In short: we have another little girl who was 'special' lighting up the world around her.
We hear nothing about her siblings.
We hear a touching tale of her learning Portuguese. (seems early and no mention why).
The smiling face at the start doesn't seem to me to be an automatic or nervous reaction, it goes on too long for that and the preparation back to sadness takes a tad too long.
Yes, the money at the end, what the hell is that for? To pay the taxes?
Combined donations for all the victims makes more sense. Never, mind dig deep, middle America!

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Post by aquila on 28.12.12 12:04

There are so many parents in this tragedy who haven't spoken to the media. Their grief is too much for them to bear. It has consumed them and their families. There will always be one who can be cajolled/groomed by the media to speak. I have no respect for that person especially when it concerns money from day one.
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Post by PeterMac on 28.12.12 13:46

They are digging deep into the Lexicon of words and phrases which you can only use for dead children.
"Special"
"Lit up the world"
"Angel"
"Beautiful"

and then my favourite vomit making one
"Had a real Zest for Life"
That phrase is never, ever used for a living human being.
Only when a child is dead is it discovered that it had a zest for life.
Does anyone know what it means ?
Why can not dead people be normal ?

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Post by Guest on 28.12.12 13:49

@aquila
You are a sweetheart, with a sweet soul. Try to think the unthinkable; It did not happen at all. And if it did... where are the victims, the shotwounds, quite a killer indeed with only deadly shots.
No photos, nothing.
It is the age old trick of telling a thing so aweful, everyone can guess how it feels...
Indeed quite like the McCanns

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Post by Guest on 28.12.12 16:42

Parapono, do I understand correctly that you'd want those horrible police pictures of slaughtered children published to proof that it DID happen ... ?
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Post by biker_don on 28.12.12 16:47

Châtelaine wrote:Parapono, do I understand correctly that you'd want those horrible police pictures of slaughtered children published to proof that it DID happen ... ?

Highly unlikely I would say. But are we to believe that 20 children were slaughtered to bring in gun laws? Why not just bring in gun laws?
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Post by Guest on 28.12.12 16:54

Exactly. It may help forcing new legislation, but don't try and tell me that a massive "hoax" was invented to push this through.
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