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Post by Guest on 28.11.12 16:38

Here is a first snippet of news from Mark Watts of Exaro News.................

Mark Watts‏@MarkWatts_1

Early word is that #Leveson report will say something tomorrow about News International, David Cameron and #McCann police review
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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.11.12 17:41

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date, candyfloss

I have had this conversation with Mark Watts of Exaro

@MarkWatts_1 What will #Leveson say re how #McCann s stifle debate with their multiple lawyers & #libel actions? #PressFreedom #FreeSpeech

@zampos I do not know. But I expect that he will have harsh words about media treatment of McCanns in general.

@MarkWatts_1 Will #Leveson publish his secret dossier on #NewsInternational threats to #Cameron in #McCann case & Mitchell/Edmondson convo?

@zampos The confidential briefing will, I think, remain confidential.

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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 11:59

1 minute agoPM faces division over Leveson
Downing St quizzed on separate Leveson statements


At a regular media briefing in Westminster, a 10 Downing Street spokeswoman was repeatedly asked whether Mr Cameron would be speaking on behalf of the whole Government when he makes his statement this afternoon, but declined to answer the question directly.


The Prime Minister is making a statement in his role as Prime Minister. It is a lengthy report. They are still working through it... There is a lot to work through in a short period of time.

Both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister want to make a statement on the report.

We are in a coalition Government and sometimes things are done differently in a coalition Government.

http://www.itv.com/news/
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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 12:01

11:51am
To New Scotland Yard. @metpoliceuk had a few mentions during the #Leveson inquiry. Report out 1330. @SkyNews

http://news.sky.com/story/1018272/live-updates-the-leveson-report
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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 13:18

Lord Leveson to make statement on his report live at 1.30

http://news.sky.com/templates/watch-live
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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 13:35

Mark Watts‏@MarkWatts_1
#Leveson: long section on #McCann case. Following exposure on Tuesday of how police review was ordered, we are digesting Leveson report.
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Post by david_uk on 29.11.12 13:57

HERE COMES THE PRE-WASH!!

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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 14:07

Just reading the report and came across this on page 460
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2.33
Maddie fraudster nicked" 25 November 2009). Kevin Halligen was a private detective employed by Drs Gerry and Kate McCann to help find their missing daughter. He swindled their charitable fund of £300,000 and went on the run after being accused of a £2 million fraud for which he was wanted in the US. The Sun tracked him down, he was arrested and he has now lost his appeal against extradition.


Full report here in four parts.......

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1213/hc07/0780/0780.asp
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Jumping the gun

Post by Guest on 29.11.12 14:29

Judge Leveson states Maddie McCann was abducted.

How does he know?
Is there any evidence to support his statement (aside from Jane Tanners')

Could I have your views on the remaining manoeuvering space of SY now?

What a miscarriage of Justice so far!
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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 14:43

1435: Ross Hawkins Political correspondent, BBC News

tweets: "#Leveson: Evidence doesn't establish anything resembling a deal between News Int and Cameron."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20539192
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Post by pauline on 29.11.12 15:13

candyfloss wrote:Just reading the report and came across this on page 460
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2.33
Maddie fraudster nicked" 25 November 2009). Kevin Halligen was a private detective employed by Drs Gerry and Kate McCann to help find their missing daughter. He swindled their charitable fund of £300,000 and went on the run after being accused of a £2 million fraud for which he was wanted in the US. The Sun tracked him down, he was arrested and he has now lost his appeal against extradition.


Full report here in four parts.......

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1213/hc07/0780/0780.asp


'their charitable fund' - it is not a charity. A rather bad blunder by Leveson?
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Post by monkey mind on 29.11.12 15:20

@Portia wrote:Judge Leveson states Maddie McCann was abducted.

How does he know?
Is there any evidence to support his statement (aside from Jane Tanners')

Could I have your views on the remaining manoeuvering space of SY now?

What a miscarriage of Justice so far!
Portia, you have my views. I made them clear yesterday and again this morning.....
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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 16:59

@pauline wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Just reading the report and came across this on page 460
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2.33
Maddie fraudster nicked" 25 November 2009). Kevin Halligen was a private detective employed by Drs Gerry and Kate McCann to help find their missing daughter. He swindled their charitable fund of £300,000 and went on the run after being accused of a £2 million fraud for which he was wanted in the US. The Sun tracked him down, he was arrested and he has now lost his appeal against extradition.


Full report here in four parts.......

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/document/hc1213/hc07/0780/0780.asp


'their charitable fund' - it is not a charity. A rather bad blunder by Leveson?

Yes I noticed that too. It's a charity only in that it begins (and ends) at the McCanns' home.

Apparently Lord Leveson has also said that Madeleine was abducted so accuracy is not his strong point.
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Post by aquila on 29.11.12 17:19

This is Nick Clegg's response to being questioned by John Baron. Conservative, Basildon and Billericay.

JB:

'Mr Speaker, I suggest the Deputy Prime Minister's suggestion is neither liberal nor democratic and accordingly, would he, does he understand that the reason so many victims feel aggrieved is that they are unable to seek justice through the legal system which is often considered too complex and too costly. What is he going to do within the coalition government to try and put that right.

Nick Clegg:

'I don't accept the underlying premise that all of this can be settled by courts and the criminal justice system. Kate and Gerry McCann had their privacy abused with being accused of the most shocking, I mean vile accusations which they couldn't possibly have remedied through the law. And you know, they, you should read Gerry McCann's evidence if you really think it's undemocratic or illiberal to suggest that we should set up a system which could help people like them. Gerry McCann went to the Press Complaints Commission and was basically told 'sorry there's nothing we can do'. I mean, surely you have to have a heart of stone not to accept that something's seriously, seriously wrong when there is nothing that helps Kate and Gerry McCann. I strongly refute his idea that it is illiberal, undemocratic to try and help them.'

BBC Parliament. Leveson Report Statement.
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Post by PeterMac on 29.11.12 17:35

Surely, if my memory serves, the whole point was that they chose NOT to use the PCC, because it would not have given them any money.
They chose to go to law, and the law aided them and they settled for huge damages.
These people do not seem to know what they are talking about.

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The politicians do not seem to know what they are talking about

Thank you for drawing that to my attention.

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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 17:41

@PeterMac wrote:Surely, if my memory serves, the whole point was that they chose NOT to use the PCC, because it would not have given them any money.
They chose to go to law, and the law aided them and they settled for huge damages.
These people do not seem to know what they are talking about.
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Good Lord! Exactly! Money prevailing.

I would NOT, though, imply that "they" don't know what they're talking about.
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Post by PeterMac on 29.11.12 17:48

By "they" I meant the politicians, who clearly do not know the facts.
Sorry, should have made that clear.

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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 17:49

@PeterMac wrote:By "they" I meant the politicians, who clearly do not know the facts.
Sorry, should have made that clear.
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They should know, though, before pouring out all of this ...
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Post by PeterMac on 29.11.12 17:50

Well quite, but they have had 2,000 pages to read overnight, and they are only Politicians.

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Post by Guest on 29.11.12 18:00

I've done more than that overnight. And it wasn't as important as this one ...

Now I don't want to say, what I could/would/should have said on "this one".
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Post by Ribisl on 29.11.12 18:24

@aquila wrote:
Nick Clegg:

'I don't accept the underlying premise that all of this can be settled by courts and the criminal justice system. Kate and Gerry McCann had their privacy abused with being accused of the most shocking, I mean vile accusations which they couldn't possibly have remedied through the law. And you know, they, you should read Gerry McCann's evidence if you really think it's undemocratic or illiberal to suggest that we should set up a system which could help people like them. Gerry McCann went to the Press Complaints Commission and was basically told 'sorry there's nothing we can do'. I mean, surely you have to have a heart of stone not to accept that something's seriously, seriously wrong when there is nothing that helps Kate and Gerry McCann. I strongly refute his idea that it is illiberal, undemocratic to try and help them.'

BBC Parliament. Leveson Report Statement.
Although it does not come as a surprise, it's unfortunate that Nick Clegg decided to cite the McCanns as an example of victims of injustice by the press. This opinion is valid only if one presupposes them to be entirely innocent in connection with their daughter's disappearance and forgets the fact that they have courted and manipulated the press to their advantage from the moment Madeleine disappeared, and still do. Furthermore, they have cashed in handsomely along the way by claiming damages against the media. So it's totally inaccurate to portrait their relationship with the press as that of aggressor and victim. I suppose this merely confirms how effective the McCanns have been with their relentless campaign.

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Post by ShuBob on 29.11.12 18:29

It's for the press to redress the balance. They can turn this McCann victimhood on it's head if they so please. They've got all the evidence they need.

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Post by puzzled on 29.11.12 18:37

@aquila wrote: Kate and Gerry McCann had their privacy abused with being accused of the most shocking, I mean vile accusations which they couldn't possibly have remedied through the law.

I think they could have remedied them by going back to Portugal and co-operating with the police, though.

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Post by Woofer on 29.11.12 18:43

@ShuBob wrote:It's for the press to redress the balance. They can turn this McCann victimhood on it's head if they so please. They've got all the evidence they need.

Thanks ShuBob - you`ve given me hope.
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Post by aquila on 30.11.12 1:18

There is an interesting article in today's (I've stayed up far too late) Daily Mail by Stephen Glover re the Leveson Report and Cameron's stance on the recommendations. I am in agreement with Cameron by the way.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2240717/By-ignoring-lawless-internet-judge-proves-hes-planet.html

However, there is another article in the Daily Mail by Stephen Glover published 7th October 2012 which I found very interesting and in particular this comment he made on the celebs who are baying for press regulation. Here's a snippet which jumped off the page at me.

'If Messrs Grant, Law and Coogan had never employed a PR or sought favourable publicity, I would have some sympathy with them. But the truth is that their careers have received an enormous boost from Press coverage. They want as much of it as they can get — as long as it is on their own terms.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2214352/Leveson-luvvies-millions-using-media-beware-wish-for.html#ixzz2DfBo3BxI

That could also be applied to the McCanns in my opinion. They too employed a powerful PR person and like the above celebs they successfully sued and were compensated. The McCanns may not have had careers that depended on the media but they do have a Fund which received an enormous boost from positive press coverage that was sought as well as compensation from the media.

So, in a nutshell, I don't think these people have the right to demand the press be regulated by the state. The system worked for them.

All in my opinion.
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