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Post by happychick on 06.11.12 13:29

Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.
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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 13:31

@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

Innocent of what?
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Post by ShuBob on 06.11.12 13:34

I have a lot of respect for Prof. David Wilson but I suspect who would have said Savile was innocent if he was still alive Professor David Wilson on This Morning today 173510
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Post by happychick on 06.11.12 13:40

@Portia wrote:
@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

Innocent of what?

He didn't say. He just said she was innocent. Isn't that enough? The Prof hath spoketh.
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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 13:47

Well, he has an IQ of 155 according to the show I watched 2 nights ago, so he must be rightProfessor David Wilson on This Morning today 110921
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Post by Woofer on 06.11.12 14:14

Or is it merely that Karen Matthews isn`t that good an actress.

KM had it off pat, particularly with the balconey scene.
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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 14:22

If he thinks Huntley's interview with Jeremy Thompson revealed a lot, what about Jane Tanner's with Richard Bilton? Professor David Wilson on This Morning today 110921
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Post by tigger on 06.11.12 14:34

@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

He's overlooking the fact that Cuddlecat wasn't Maddie's toy, imo it was a prop and had only been in her vicinity shortly before she died or perhaps only afterwards. No way was that a cuddly toy Maddie took with her everywhere.
So it had cadaver odour on it, but we don't have to believe Jon Corner when he said the toy was 'reeking of Madeleine's DNA'.

Kate was quite happy dragging that thing along on all her photo opportunities. It had nothing to do with Maddie and everything with the rather quick appearance of www.cuddlecat.co.uk. Imo of course.


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Post by PeterMac on 06.11.12 14:38

candyfloss wrote:Well, he has an IQ of 155 according to the show I watched 2 nights ago, so he must be right
Always remember that in a trial involving two top QCs with IQs off the scale, by definition one of them is wrong.
In fact that is true of the legal profession in general -
exactly half the time they are wrong.
Now apply that to your doctor, and see who you prefer to trust.
Apply it to the Police, gas fitters, electricians, nurses, and everyone else.
For them only 100% accuracy is acceptable.
But for Lawyers ?

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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 14:54

I just applied that to my French doctor and she's dangerously wrong 95% of the time :-(
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Post by tigger on 06.11.12 15:11

Châtelaine wrote:I just applied that to my French doctor and she's dangerously wrong 95% of the time :-(

There's a coincidence! So's mine and one specialist he sent me to consult was 100% wrong.

http://www.mentorn.tv/programmes/programme-list/tears,-lies-and-videotape.aspx

this is only a short clip I could find. The full transcript of the 2009 documentary can be found on McCannfiles (tears, lies etc) but the video is no longer there.
Prof. Canter too, lauds KM to the sky, innocent, innocent! Hmm. Speak to cuddlecat is my advice.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.11.12 15:17

@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

He wont be the first expert who got it so wrong neither will he be the last!
He will join a long list of others whose mental acumen is lacking for their job.

What I am more keen to know is: why this timing?
Who wheeled him out to use mccanns as detractors from the real news?
Missing child has been put on the back burner ever since paedophile and politician's affair-gate has been enthralling the public, with its beyond belief, blood culling suspense, and it's far from end of show yet.
so why are the mccanns thrown into the mix in the midst of current hostile climate? Are they commercial break time?

Again, why is it always kate who is singled out?
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Post by Newintown on 06.11.12 15:24

@aiyoyo wrote:
@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

He wont be the first expert who got it so wrong neither will he be the last!
He will join a long list of others whose mental acumen is lacking for their job.

What I am more keen to know is: why this timing?
Who wheeled him out to use mccanns as detractors from the real news?
Missing child has been put on the back burner ever since paedophile and politician's affair-gate has been enthralling the public, with its beyond belief, blood culling suspense, and it's far from end of show yet.
so why are the mccanns thrown into the mix in the midst of current hostile climate? Are they commercial break time?

Again, why is it always kate who is singled out?

I was just about to post something similar and you beat me to it. I was also wondering why now, that Kate McCann has been pronounced in a very forceful way by Prof David Wilson that "Kate McCann is INNOCENT". How does he know she is innocent, does he know something the rest of us don't know. Was it just a matter of the McCanns saying "we didn't do it guv" that him and his ilk including Lorraine Kelly, Philip Schofield and all the other McCann's "lick ass brigade" completely ignore the findings of Eddie and Keela and so many other things that don't add up.

Or was his job on the line if he didn't conform to the ITV propaganda merchangts.

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Post by tigger on 06.11.12 15:46

@aiyoyo wrote:
@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

He wont be the first expert who got it so wrong neither will he be the last!
He will join a long list of others whose mental acumen is lacking for their job.

What I am more keen to know is: why this timing?
Who wheeled him out to use mccanns as detractors from the real news?
Missing child has been put on the back burner ever since paedophile and politician's affair-gate has been enthralling the public, with its beyond belief, blood culling suspense, and it's far from end of show yet.
so why are the mccanns thrown into the mix in the midst of current hostile climate? Are they commercial break time?

Again, why is it always kate who is singled out?


It's that broken bed, the f...... t......., the frequent 'fury and furious' in the book - it's possibly a late editing effort.

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Post by Woofer on 06.11.12 15:51

@PeterMac wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Well, he has an IQ of 155 according to the show I watched 2 nights ago, so he must be right
Always remember that in a trial involving two top QCs with IQs off the scale, by definition one of them is wrong.
In fact that is true of the legal profession in general -
exactly half the time they are wrong.
Now apply that to your doctor, and see who you prefer to trust.
Apply it to the Police, gas fitters, electricians, nurses, and everyone else.
For them only 100% accuracy is acceptable.
But for Lawyers ?

Diagnosing in most trades/professions takes a degree of intellect and an awful lot of trial and error - try this, hope it works, try that, see what happens, oh dear that didn`t work let`s try another way. Not so for bomb disposal peeps.

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Post by Newintown on 06.11.12 15:56

@tigger wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@happychick wrote:Did anyone else see Professor David Wilson, criminal profiler or whatavyer, on This Morning today? He was analysing the body language of Ian Huntley and Karen Matthews and said, whilst comparing the way Karen and Kate held their daughters cuddly toys that - and I quote - "Kate McCann is innocent".

So there you have it, it's time for us to go home.

He wont be the first expert who got it so wrong neither will he be the last!
He will join a long list of others whose mental acumen is lacking for their job.

What I am more keen to know is: why this timing?
Who wheeled him out to use mccanns as detractors from the real news?
Missing child has been put on the back burner ever since paedophile and politician's affair-gate has been enthralling the public, with its beyond belief, blood culling suspense, and it's far from end of show yet.
so why are the mccanns thrown into the mix in the midst of current hostile climate? Are they commercial break time?

Again, why is it always kate who is singled out?


It's that broken bed, the f...... t......., the frequent 'fury and furious' in the book - it's possibly a late editing effort.

There must be some reason why this has now been brought out at this precise time. After all why was Kate McCann even mentioned in the piece regarding Karen Matthews, if is was a sensitive issue with the McCanns, Karen Matthews need not have even been mentioned, but there was a reason to state that Kate Mccann is innocent. Could it be that there is so much stuff on internet sites at the moment regarding the forthcoming trials with TB and Amaral and the SY review that people are getting very nervous and jumpy with what may be revealed in the forthcoming months, so it's a case of get the word in first of "innocent" to enforce it into people's brains before the "sh*t" hits the fan.

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Post by DIBarlow on 06.11.12 17:01

Just a thought, but is there any other innocent party, one other innocent party even, for whom there has been so many declarations of innocence by supposed experts in particular matters, wheeled out in front of TV cameras, mostly ITV cameras, at irregular intervals over so many years?

Is it not blatantly obvious?

Still, let them carry on crying 'wolf'......

The truth will out, eventually.
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Post by Tony Bennett on 06.11.12 19:39

@PeterMac wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Well, he has an IQ of 155 according to the show I watched 2 nights ago, so he must be right
Always remember that in a trial involving two top QCs with IQs off the scale, by definition one of them is wrong.
In fact that is true of the legal profession in general -
exactly half the time they are wrong.
Now apply that to your doctor, and see who you prefer to trust.
Apply it to the Police, gas fitters, electricians, nurses, and everyone else.
For them only 100% accuracy is acceptable.
But for Lawyers ?
A famous barrister once said:

"When I was young and inexperienced, I lost a lot of cases that I should have won. When I was older and more experienced, I won a lot of cases I should have lost. So in the end, justice was done".

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Amelie Mcann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by aniandr on 06.11.12 20:14

He looked at the Way they hold a toy and concluded Kate is innocent?

Whatever. Next.


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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 21:45

@Tony Bennett wrote:[[...] A famous barrister once said:

"When I was young and inexperienced, I lost a lot of cases that I should have won. When I was older and more experienced, I won a lot of cases I should have lost. So in the end, justice was done".
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Post by T4two on 06.11.12 22:02

@aniandr wrote:He looked at the Way they hold a toy and concluded Kate is innocent?

Whatever. Next.



Aha! But what if she had been advised how to hold the toy so that experts such as Professor David Wilson would conclude that she was innocent? Professor David Wilson on This Morning today 234726
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Post by Guest on 06.11.12 22:04

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@aniandr wrote:He looked at the Way they hold a toy and concluded Kate is innocent?

Whatever. Next.



Aha! But what if she had been advised how to hold the toy so that experts such as Professor David Wilson would conclude that she was innocent? Professor David Wilson on This Morning today 234726

Prop goes the weasel!

As in: why does Savile have this Havana in his snout all the time?

Prop goes the weasel!
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Post by ShuBob on 06.11.12 22:08

The question is why has Prof. Wilson decided to speak now nearly six years on? Also, why has he pitched a resolved case against an unresolved case? He should have found another case where the mother was cleared in court and pitched that against the Matthews case. Or did Kate start the cuddly toy trend?
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@ShuBob wrote:The question is why has Prof. Wilson decided to speak now nearly six years on? Also, why has he pitched a resolved case against an unresolved case? He should have found another case where the mother was cleared in court and pitched that against the Matthews case. Or did Kate start the cuddly toy trend?
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