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Post by jd on 30.09.12 19:06

Its interesting that Jeni Weinberger gave her "statement" to Wiltshire police. Maybe the Weinberger's left early like Edmunds?

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Post by sami on 30.09.12 19:23

@jd wrote:
@tigger wrote:So now we have McKenzie, Edmonds and Weinberger, all giving somewhat late support to the McCanns - respectively with cigarette butts, a photograph to prove Madeleine was alive on the 3rd and the suspicious person Mrs. W saw. How very helpful.

I'm also thinking who would the mccanns trust to get the towel and blanket from to use...Whoever it was seemed to have a car too from the tracker dogs trail

If gerry mccann is signing into creche the Naylor daughter then there is more than a good chance he knew the Weinbergers too (after all, they were all there for business), and especially as kate mccann could phone them up 2 years later when they are not in the PJ files



The Gorrods had a car, and Charlotte Gorrods name was on the apartment booking sheet next to apartment C5. We know also they met with at least the Jane Tanner family during the holiday.
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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 19:50

Dogs used in Madeleine McCann search not properly trained Sunday Mail

Aug 10 2008

SNIFFER dogs used to search for Madeleine McCann were not properly trained.

Police used dogs more suited to rural work to search a 10-mile radius of the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz where Maddie was snatched on May 3 last year.

The dogs lost her trail in the nearby car park.

It is the latest damning revelation to emerge after the release of files from the bungled Portuguese police investigation.

Prosecutors Joao Melchior Gomes and Jose de Magalhaes e Menezes slated the probe, noting detectives had "achieved very little in terms of conclusive results".

The report also damned the Portuguese police for failing even to establish if the five-year-old is alive or dead.
Unquote.

Not important except in view of the pro publicity at the time when the police files had just been released.
Losing the trail in the car park would certainly point to a car.... but the Mail missed that bit.

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Post by sami on 30.09.12 20:07

Well, here is a car and interestingly enough in the right place, at the right time (thanks to mccannpjfiles)


Another witness with the surname da Silva - Maria Manuela Martins da
Silva - said was visiting the sister of her boyfriend in another Ocean
Club apartment (Block 6, Apartment 5) during the afternoon and evening
of 3 May. From the ground floor kitchen window of that apartment, there
was a direct view across to the back windows of the apartment occupied
by Madeleine McCann [Source: Police Files 02 - Processos Volume II,
Pages 469 to 470a].

Unusually, some five days later, Maria was
able to recall the exact time she left that apartment - 9.58pm. She says
she remembers the exact time because she asked her friend the time, and
she responded after checking this on the telephone in the lounge. Maria
da Silva left with her boyfriend in a green Opel Frontera, parked in
the private parking area of Block 6. As they drove away, she recalled
seeing a small car, perhaps grey in colour, parked close to the window
of the McCann apartment. By coincidence the route taken by GNR officer,
Pedro Miguel Esteves Fernandes and the Search & Rescue dogs in the
early hours of 4 May, lost track of Madeleine's scent in the private
parking area of Block 6.
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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 20:54

Aha! v good Sami!.
Not that I think the scent they followed was Maddie's, but certainly a scent provided by the McCanns. In their place, I would certainly have made sure a towel would have a strong scent on it for the dogs to follow. Still think the first idea was to have dogs follow the scent into PdL - being seen by a couple of people and having the dogs follow that trail would cinch the abduction I'd think.
When that became difficult, the alternative route was chosen? Just wittering here, you understand...

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Post by jd on 01.10.12 2:47

Good post Sami and Tigger...these other 'cars' should be noted. The Gorrods car was retrieved and the dogs went over it, though I think it was the cadaver dogs and not the tracker dogs

This is the important fact...the tracker dogs, as they were looking for a scent from the towel/blanket, not death smells

In reality of the mccanns situation, there could only be one person, or one family (husband and wife). You have to look at who allowed themselves to support the mocumentary which was clearly designed to distort the facts in the mccanns favour, some 2 years later. Twisting actual facts to support their scam its unreal they got away with it. There is only one person that did this and was prepared to put their name to it... and this was Jeni Weinberger. She no doubt thought she was immune with government protection due to her husbands position. She even allowed her name to be in the press as part of the gyspsy sighting in 2008. If she did this 2 years later then she is involved at the time in May 2007, nobody else. Jeni Weinberger is also heavily connected to the other one who suddenly later came out in the press with a sighting of murat in December 2007..Jayne Jensen. They both are from Marlborough, Wilts...some of us know!! and lots lots lots more......

And we know of your coffee meeting with murat on 4th May too...all documented, saved and proven big grin




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Post by jd on 11.10.12 1:59

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Post by tigger on 11.10.12 8:01

The possibility of an abductor driving off in a car isn't mentioned by the authors of the Maddie McCann abduction. Yet it is the most likely scenario for a true abduction.
So why is this?
Very like the immediate attention focussed on the Donegal holiday - 'Look, we were there during Easter (not at all in Zaival beach whatever that sardine munching waiter will say).
'Look! - a man seen in the road - who couldn't be me because I was there at the same time and I have a 'friend' to prove it, especially since his wife is by now hoping to make a tidy sum from selling us a villa here so we can look for Madeleine in comfort for the next twenty years or so...'
Another man seen in PdL - having moved the child to a more comfortable position but taking a hell of a long time to get where he was seen by the Smiths.

Why not an abductor seen striding towards the car park? No problem at all. Could indeed be over the border in just about 70 minutes. Just the 70 or so minutes before the GNR was called. Because the 10.00 alarm is very doubtful. It's at least around 9.45 that the first 'alarm' was raised.

Is it because a car was used to transport the body? Highly likely. In that case I wouldn't want any dogs sniffing around certain cars or where a certain car had been, however briefly. In that case I would give them an item which would lead the dogs to a dead end.
Skin cells are what those dogs are in effect following. A towel which had the scent of someone simply getting into a car and driving off. Could be anybody's.

So dogs, requested by Gerry that very evening, within an hour of reporting the abduction. Dogs were expected earlier and to follow the scent laid out to PdL is my guess. Giving them a towel used by Gerry - as the GNR/PJ suspected.
The route to PdL was never 'found' by the dogs.





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Post by Miraflores on 11.10.12 8:22

And yet, the McCanns started grumbling that the border to Spain wasn't closed (and the airport alerted?) immediately, which would all require a car to get to in the time frame.
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Post by jd on 11.10.12 17:46

So dogs, requested by Gerry that very evening, within an hour of reporting the abduction. Dogs were expected earlier and to follow the scent laid out to PdL is my guess. Giving them a towel used by Gerry - as the GNR/PJ suspected.
The route to PdL was never 'found' by the dogs.

Imo this is why gerry mccann was getting aggrieved about where the search dogs were that night...Needed them to follow the scent of whoever it was on that towel

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Post by tigger on 11.10.12 17:48

@jd wrote:
So dogs, requested by Gerry that very evening, within an hour of reporting the abduction. Dogs were expected earlier and to follow the scent laid out to PdL is my guess. Giving them a towel used by Gerry - as the GNR/PJ suspected.
The route to PdL was never 'found' by the dogs.

Imo this is why gerry mccann was getting aggrieved about where the search dogs were that night...Needed them to follow the scent of whoever it was on that towel

Control is everything....

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Post by jd on 11.10.12 18:05

@tigger wrote:
@jd wrote:
So dogs, requested by Gerry that very evening, within an hour of reporting the abduction. Dogs were expected earlier and to follow the scent laid out to PdL is my guess. Giving them a towel used by Gerry - as the GNR/PJ suspected.
The route to PdL was never 'found' by the dogs.

Imo this is why gerry mccann was getting aggrieved about where the search dogs were that night...Needed them to follow the scent of whoever it was on that towel

Control is everything....

Except for the Smiths sighting...this is one they could not control and why they dismiss it, and then changed the facts of what Smith said in his statement to match jane tanners in the Madddie was Here mocumentary!! And got away with it whilst in the very same breath suing other people for speaking the actual truth!!! This is so sickening

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Post by Ayniia on 21.10.13 14:58

@Snifferdog wrote:
It is quite a coincidence the the hire car "also" had rotting meat in it as well.
Was the rotting meat deliberately planted in this fridge?
Is this the self same fridge that was mentioned in GM"s blog, the one that GM mentions was dumped?
Who did apartment 5J belong to? Pity the PJ did not investigate 5J sooner.
Does anyone know who apartment 5J belonged to?
Very interesting food for thought... because IF the rotting meat was planted there and the GNR dogs alerted to it, seems obvious why the MCCanns later tried to explain Eddie and Keela findings with "rotting meat from garbage bags and nappies ". All IMHO of course.

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Post by Hobs on 21.10.13 20:59

What interests me is the fact the mccanns used a towel to provide the dogs with a scent. A towel which could be tainted with scent from the twins  and perhaps even kate and gerry  especially since they claim there was only 1 toothbrush.

Why not give the dogs the obvious items to scent and thus trace Maddie.

I am talking about the clothing she was wearing that day, perhaps other days if no laundry had been done.

Her clothes would be reeking with her scent especially her underwear.

Why not use what was known to have been worn by her that day and was thus fresh and failry uncontaminated by someone else?

Why use something that no one knows had been in contact with Maddie?

Could it have been the parents where laying a false scent trail for the dogs to follow?

A live trail that may or may not have been Maddie rather than a trail that we know was Maddie.

Could it be that following the trail of Maddie may have led to a place they didn't want known?

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Post by sami on 21.10.13 21:17

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@Hobs wrote:What interests me is the fact the mccanns used a towel to provide the dogs with a scent. A towel which could be tainted with scent from the twins  and perhaps even kate and gerry  especially since they claim there was only 1 toothbrush.

Why not give the dogs the obvious items to scent and thus trace Maddie.

I am talking about the clothing she was wearing that day, perhaps other days if no laundry had been done.

Her clothes would be reeking with her scent especially her underwear.

Why not use what was known to have been worn by her that day and was thus fresh and failry uncontaminated by someone else?

Why use something that no one knows had been in contact with Maddie?

Could it have been the parents where laying a false scent trail for the dogs to follow?

A live trail that may or may not have been Maddie rather than a trail that we know was Maddie.

Could it be that following the trail of Maddie may have led to a place they didn't want known?
I think I've said this before but the thing that strikes me about those dogs is that they never tracked her scent to the crèche.  It is the one place we can be almost certain Madeleine went to, yet the dogs did not go there.  

There is no definitive proof the scent tracked was Madeleine's, not least because there is no definitive proof the sample they tracked was hers from the towel.
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Post by Jaci on 21.10.13 23:25

@Snifferdog wrote:
It is quite a coincidence the the hire car "also" had rotting meat in it as well.
Was the rotting meat deliberately planted in this fridge?
Is this the self same fridge that was mentioned in GM"s blog, the one that GM mentions was dumped?
Who did apartment 5J belong to?  Pity the PJ did not investigate 5J sooner.  
Does anyone know who apartment 5J belonged to?
Working on the assumption that 5J is privately owned I did a search for holiday apartments at the Ocean Club. Could this be it? The photos from the balcony seem to suggest it might be in the right area?

http://www.holidaylettings.co.uk/rentals/praia-da-luz/324731

The the letting name is Sue K ... not much help but might be a beginning?

Please delete my post if I'm wrong.
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Post by listener on 22.10.13 0:05

@Hobs wrote:What interests me is the fact the mccanns used a towel to provide the dogs with a scent. A towel which could be tainted with scent from the twins  and perhaps even kate and gerry  especially since they claim there was only 1 toothbrush.

Why not give the dogs the obvious items to scent and thus trace Maddie.

I am talking about the clothing she was wearing that day, perhaps other days if no laundry had been done.

Her clothes would be reeking with her scent especially her underwear.

Why not use what was known to have been worn by her that day and was thus fresh and failry uncontaminated by someone else?

Why use something that no one knows had been in contact with Maddie?

Could it have been the parents where laying a false scent trail for the dogs to follow?

A live trail that may or may not have been Maddie rather than a trail that we know was Maddie.

Could it be that following the trail of Maddie may have led to a place they didn't want known?
Why would the Handler not ask for an unwashed garment, rather than the towel? Unless told only Madeleine had used that towel (unlike the shared toothbrush)?
A shared toothbrush - All three! Sounds absolute nonsense to me nah

Edit- I have no experience of caring for more than 1 toddler at a time, so stand to be corrected - Anyone?
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Post by Searcher on 22.10.13 0:51

This may be more suitable for a timeline thread, but have just found this video - c. 11 mins - on YouTube which discusses an earlier event than 3 May.  Worth watching right through:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqRmhBFpQY
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Post by Guest on 04.03.14 9:49

@Snifferdog wrote:IMO a cleaner would normally notice a fridge full of meat and vegetables standing open in a flat she is cleaning after the owner/tenant had left apartment 5J.

Does the fridge have a large separate freezer compartment big enough to hide a small body.  
Correct me if I'm wrong but 5J is a private apartment so it was the reason why the PJ could not gain access to it at first, which gave enough time for the rotting meat and vegetables to really stink to cover the possibility of the fridge having malfunctioned making this cover up necessary.
IMO perhaps M's body was placed there on a previous holiday, as there was no opportunity to deal with it at the time, necessitating another visit to the resort in the immediate future.  Therefore no DNA of M. /no hairs/no hairbrush/toothbrush/suitable photos etc etc. in apartment 5a.
JM did day 'he was not there to enjoy himself.'

Bumping this post in light of the recent revelations about the hire car.

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Post by tigger on 04.03.14 20:00

@listener wrote:
@Hobs wrote:What interests me is the fact the mccanns used a towel to provide the dogs with a scent. A towel which could be tainted with scent from the twins  and perhaps even kate and gerry  especially since they claim there was only 1 toothbrush.

Why not give the dogs the obvious items to scent and thus trace Maddie.

I am talking about the clothing she was wearing that day, perhaps other days if no laundry had been done.

Her clothes would be reeking with her scent especially her underwear.

Why not use what was known to have been worn by her that day and was thus fresh and failry uncontaminated by someone else?

Why use something that no one knows had been in contact with Maddie?

Could it have been the parents where laying a false scent trail for the dogs to follow?

A live trail that may or may not have been Maddie rather than a trail that we know was Maddie.

Could it be that following the trail of Maddie may have led to a place they didn't want known?
Why would the Handler not ask for an unwashed garment, rather than the towel? Unless told only Madeleine had used that towel (unlike the shared toothbrush)?
A shared toothbrush - All three! Sounds absolute nonsense to me nah

Edit- I have no experience of caring for more than 1 toddler at a time, so stand to be corrected - Anyone?


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Pages 1335 – 1337

Witness Statement

Date: 2007-05-16

Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01h15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02h30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

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Post by canada12 on 04.03.14 20:59

@tigger wrote:


Processos Volume V

Pages 1335 – 1337

Witness Statement

Date: 2007-05-16

Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01h15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02h30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

Yes but the only proof they had, that the blanket was on Madeleine's bed, was the word of Kate and Gerry. The blanket could just as easily have come from someone else. Another child. An adult.

A thought - has this already been raised as a question? Smithman might have been Gerry carrying another child to lay a scent down for the sniffer dogs?
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Post by tigger on 04.03.14 22:55

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@tigger wrote:


Processos Volume V

Pages 1335 – 1337

Witness Statement

Date: 2007-05-16

Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacão

Occupation: GNR Officer

He has been a GNR officer since 1988. He holds the post of soldier and currently works in the Portimao Territorial Group, working within the forensics service.

On 4th May he was called at about 01h15 when he was asleep at home, requesting him to appear at the Lagos GNR post as a small girl had disappeared. After arriving at the GNR post with his colleagues Morais and two dogs (Numi and Kit), German Shepherd dogs, which made up the search team, they immediately left for P da L. They arrived at about 02h30.

When they arrived at the scene, they entered the McCanns' apartment by the front door, and entered the living room, where there were some PJ officers as well as the McCann couple. They just talked to some colleagues from the PJ and asked for a piece of clothing that Madeleine had worn or used recently. They were given a pink/orange blanket that the child had been covered with in her bed.

Yes but the only proof they had, that the blanket was on Madeleine's bed, was the word of Kate and Gerry. The blanket could just as easily have come from someone else. Another child. An adult.

A thought - has this already been raised as a question? Smithman might have been Gerry carrying another child to lay a scent down for the sniffer dogs?

That's what I think. If you look at the Kate and dogs topic, how early he wanted dogs, it's my belief that was part of his cunning plan.  winkwink 

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Post by Doug D on 05.03.14 9:38

Not convinced that carrying someone through the streets would leave a scent for dogs to follow. When you see hunt people laying a trail for the hounds they actually scent the trail along the ground.
Personally I prefer textusa's theory of creating the abductor scenario by deliberately being seen carrying a child through the streets, when it would have been so easy to avoid people.
The original textusa 'Smith sighting' post was back in 2010, but there is a more recent one, (end of last year'ish?) which for some reason I can't find at the moment (has it been pulled?), where she walks the route and shows all the escape options, discusses why the 'abductor' walked and crossed over the road when he did etc etc.
I don't like adding more layers, but having got the 'abductor' sighting out of the way, the child then needed to be brought back to the OC without more sightings. Following textusa's ducking & diving possibilities, this was probably manageable, but there was also a buggy floating around allegedly trying to get a youngster to sleep in between having a pee at the Tapas bar. Just a thought.
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Post by tigger on 05.03.14 9:53

@Doug D wrote:Not convinced that carrying someone through the streets would leave a scent for dogs to follow. When you see hunt people laying a trail for the hounds they actually scent the trail along the ground.
Personally I prefer textusa's theory of creating the abductor scenario by deliberately being seen carrying a child through the streets, when it would have been so easy to avoid people.
The original textusa 'Smith sighting' post was back in 2010, but there is a more recent one, (end of last year'ish?) which for some reason I can't find at the moment (has it been pulled?), where she walks the route and shows all the escape options, discusses why the 'abductor' walked and crossed over the road when he did etc etc.
I don't like adding more layers, but having got the 'abductor' sighting out of the way, the child then needed to be brought back to the OC without more sightings. Following textusa's ducking & diving possibilities, this was probably manageable, but there was also a buggy floating around allegedly trying to get a youngster to sleep in between having a pee at the Tapas bar. Just a thought.

No, I did have the idea of a trail left, as well as being seen by an independent witness or two.
You're right, it wouldn't work otherwise. I just feel it fit the psychology. Could be anything, a type a perfume on the shoes, as long as the same scent is sprayed on the item alllegedly used by the target.
Two things support this, the choice of item given was not at all the one asked for.
One:I.e. that pink dress and broderie anglaise pants should have been at hand, as would sandals and trainers.
Two: the pink blanket disappeared at some stage after the GNR had returned it to Kate and before the sniffer dogs from Lisbon arrived. Those GNR were only given a towel, which their statement records 'was said to have been used' by M.

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Post by sami on 05.03.14 10:40

@Tigger wrote:
That's what I think. If you look at the Kate and dogs topic, how early he wanted dogs, it's my belief that was part of his cunning plan.  winkwink 


Was the scent supposed to stop at the car park, therefore leading to the assumption car park = car, scent stopped, car driven off, across the border, we know the rest.
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