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Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by PeterMac on 21.09.12 15:02

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Also, relevant in any Court of Law, he admits to being in cahoots with one or more others, cooking the evidence: " WE've chatted about the timings" "WE've looked at the (which?!) photographs"

"Cahoots" being a technical legal term for the more familiar word - Conspiracy ?

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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by Guest on 21.09.12 15:54

@PeterMac wrote:
@Portia wrote:
Also, relevant in any Court of Law, he admits to being in cahoots with one or more others, cooking the evidence: " WE've chatted about the timings" "WE've looked at the (which?!) photographs"

"Cahoots" being a technical legal term for the more familiar word - Conspiracy ?

Roight!

Spot on.
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It's an Imperial world

Post by Tony Bennett on 21.09.12 17:48

@bobbin wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:1,760 yards in a mile.
You're quite right PeterMac, I've been away from the UK far too long. This metric stuff is clouding my memory of yards, feet and inches.
Still off topic, I'm afraid, but for the likes of PeterMac who lives in self-imposed exile from the mother country, it's not hard to retain the memory of Imperial wights and measures over here:

* Hospital scales may give the baby's weight in kilos, but 99% of parents immediately convert that to lbs. and ounces, and that's what appears on the announcement cards

* Drive on Britain's roads, and it'll be 45 miles to London, 150 yards to the main road from the 'Give Way' sign, speed limit 30mph, bridge height 14' 6", and narrow road width limit 6' 6" and so on (metric is permitted in addition to, but not in substitution for, feet and inches on bridge heights and road widths)

* The majority of Brits describe their weight in stones and lbs., and so do all the dieting and slimming ads: 'lose 10lbs in a week', 'inches off your waistline' etc.

* The same applies to height; even the police tell the public the suspect is 5' 9", 6' 2" and so on

* Milk is bought in pints - 2, 4 or 6

* Most motorists think of miles per gallon for petrol consumption, not litres per 100km

* Subway sell 'foot-long' and 'half-foot-long' rolls, pubs sell pints and half pints, McDonalds and Burger King sell quarter-pounders and half-pounders, restaurants sell 8oz or 12oz steaks

* You'll probably ask for a 9" or 12" pizza, and buy 23" or 43" plasma TV screens

* Horse races are run in miles and furlongs

* Allotments are still allocated by the rod, pole or perch (like all property in India, by the way)

* Ask the way to the nearest bank, P.O., garage or pub and you'll probably be told 'x miles or x hundred yards'

* Most agricultural land is advertised and sold by the acre, and office space rentals by the square foot

* Canal speeds are usually in knots

* On a flight, the pilot will usually tell you how many thousands feet high you are flying...

...and so on.

And there are still those who say things like: "Britain went metric 40 years ago".

There is a topic in the 'Games Section': Weights and Measures in our language, here:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t771-weights-and-measures-in-our-language

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Post by christmascake on 21.09.12 17:58

Its a great shame that we haven't gone fully metric. Its a much easier system to understand and use.

It will happen bit by bit, as older people have less influence and the younger generation realises what a good system metrication is.

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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by tiny on 21.09.12 18:10

Oh dear
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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by Guest on 23.09.12 13:33

Getting back to the statistics and the interviews doesn't anyone wonder how these 9 will face the children as teens? I wonder if these children have any recollection of what really happened but they must have some traumatic memories only to be added to by the admission of gross neglect by the parents.

I don't know how a teen would react to the situation especially when you consider the ambiguity of the statements. It makes me wonder if they ever considered how it would be when their children grow up and have minds of their own.
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Post by Guest on 23.09.12 15:59

I guess that none of them [not unlike us] could ever have imagined that this would stay in the spotlights for so long. And I'm absolutely sure that none of them neither has realised that archiving the case in PT would result in publication of the mayor part of the official police files ...
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Post by Guest on 23.09.12 16:53

Finn wrote:Getting back to the statistics and the interviews doesn't anyone wonder how these 9 will face the children as teens? I wonder if these children have any recollection of what really happened but they must have some traumatic memories only to be added to by the admission of gross neglect by the parents.

I don't know how a teen would react to the situation especially when you consider the ambiguity of the statements. It makes me wonder if they ever considered how it would be when their children grow up and have minds of their own.

They went for the quick fix, and then for the quick buck.

And, once in, they were lost.
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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by Guest on 17.02.13 10:30

From Wiki on Rogatory Letters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_rogatory

Taking of evidence

Another reason why a court may require assistance from a foreign court is to obtain evidence from a witness. This evidence may be to answer questions relevant to the determination of an issue of fact, or for disclosure of documents.
Courts only have power to subpoena witnesses from within their own country. So for example Alice in the U.S. could not summon Jean from France to the U.S. courthouse. Instead the U.S. court would issue a letter rogatory to a French court, who would then examine Jean in France, and send a deposition back to the requesting court.
Insofar as requests to United States courts are concerned, the use of letters rogatory for requesting the taking of evidence has been replaced in large part by applications under 28 U.S.C. section 1782, or Section 1782 Discovery.
In many cases, the witness is willing to provide the testimony. However, the target court may compel the testimony of a witness who is unwilling to appear.
Generally, the target court will agree to the request unless it violates a policy of the target jurisdiction. For example, in the United States, it is usually appropriate in a civil case to depose every available witness, while in Canada, you may only depose one witness from each party. However, a Canadian court would most likely agree to the pre-trial deposition of a witness who could be compelled to testify in the United States.

I think the rogs are interesting and entertaining to read in that they're an insight into the personalities of T7 and a good indicator of how uncomfortable they were with many questions and issues. But what bothers me is the Portuguese authorities requested answers to very specific questions and all they seemed to receive (in between the ems, you knows etc) was mumbo jumbo and ambiguity.

I'm pretty sure a statement of this type wouldn't be used in the UK courts and am startled that the police didn't pin them down to answer the questions fully and type up a formal statement for the PJ's.

I know we've mentioned before that the Rogs came about because of a McCann request for their defence but does anyone else wonder why the police used this format for the PJ's, it seems disrespectful to me, there's little in the statements that could be used in a legal setting. Was this a "fingers up" to the Portuguese authorities or is it standard practice in Rogatory letters I wonder if anyone knows.
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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by Hobs on 17.02.13 14:49

the phrase "you know" is used to convince and convey
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Re: Word stats for the Tapas 7 Rogatory Interviews

Post by twisted on 10.12.13 12:18

probably just a gauge of how nervous each witness was. As you would expect the old lady comes out best as she was doing no checking or anything like that and she just has to give her impressions of the holiday and what she did with her daughter, the daughter´s husband and the kids,  On a word count basis, the nervous type words as a % of total interview came out as:


Mrs Webster------  2.1%
Jane Tanner -------- 2.98%
Fiona Payne----- 4.23%
Russell O Brien-------4.23%
Matt Oldfield--------- 4.58%
Rachel Oldfield------- 5.78%

David Payne------  7.94%.

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Post by Daisy on 10.12.13 12:26

@ Twisted, if you've painstakingly gone through all those statements counting their nervous type of words you deserve some kind of medal.  big grin

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Post by Miraflores on 10.12.13 12:40

Most motorists think of miles per gallon for petrol consumption, not litres per 100km.
 Not quite - slightly more muddled than that: litres per mile.
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Post by Mirage on 10.12.13 13:43

@Daisy wrote:@ Twisted, if you've painstakingly gone through all those statements counting their nervous type of words you deserve some kind of medal.  big grin



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There should be a statutory star struck statim for sterling statement stats.  big grin 

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Post by Guest on 10.12.13 16:26

@Daisy wrote:@ Twisted, if you've painstakingly gone through all those statements counting their nervous type of words you deserve some kind of medal.  big grin

HELLO, Quote is being interfered with; impossible to access, ADMIN

I have a question, why would doctor David Payne be so much more nervous than the lot of them?

1. he thinks he's guilty;
2. he fears he's going to be apprehended;
3. he knows who dunnit and it worn't him;
4. none of the above

Oh and (5) as a urine specialist, he' knows when to dodge the piss


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Post by Guest on 10.12.13 16:35

Portia, you remind me again of DP's very, very strange reply to the question, if he would have anything else to add to his [rogatory] statement. And he says IIRC [non verbatim]" "Yes, but I don't think this is the right forum to bring it up now" ...
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Post by Daisy on 10.12.13 16:42

@ Portia, I can't say for certain, but I'd hazard a guess at yes to the first 3 options you provided. 

I'm not doubting the stats worked out by Twisted, just saying it's no mean feat to read through all those statements & count every time someone stalls. Kudos!

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Post by Praiaaa on 10.12.13 18:39

[quote="twisted"]probably just a gauge of how nervous each witness was. As you would expect the old lady comes out best]

lol @ describing DW as 'the old lady' she was probably in her 50s  Mr  Mr 

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Post by Praiaaa on 10.12.13 18:40

And very interesting that DP seems to be significantly more nervous than the others.

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Post by Mirage on 10.12.13 18:44

@Praiaaa wrote:
@twisted wrote:probably just a gauge of how nervous each witness was. As you would expect the old lady comes out best]

lol @ describing DW as 'the old lady' she was probably in her 50s  Mr  Mr 


63 at the time IIRC Praiaa. Still not old though!

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