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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by russiandoll on 27.08.12 12:53

a reminder of A Redwood on Panorama :

“We are here in terms of seeking to bring closure to the case. That would be the ultimate objective and is our ultimate objective.”

Richard Bilton: “What does that mean?”

DCI Redwood: “Well closure means establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann.”

RB: “Solving it?”

DCI Redwood: “Yes, solving it, of course.”

imo Redwood was between a rock and a hard place in this interview. In this interwiew as well as on his Daybreak interview he chose not to elaborate and only did so when pushed and then when asked straight if he thought Madeleine was alive he tied himself up in knots, unable to answer coherently why he has said yes. To have said no would have meant another question......."what has made you conclude that she is not alive? "
He states the obvious, which sounds ridiculous....she could be alive or sadly dead. These 2 states could be a result of various scenarios, including or excluding abduction as alleged by the parents.

Closure then means solving the case, establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann..
To RB's "solving it ?", he does not reply with any of the following ,replies he could have made, had he been accepting the McCann story :

We need to discover who abducted Madeleine McCann. There is a chance she is alive and being cared for as part of a family. The person witnessed by the McCann's friend, who we believe is the abductor, might have meant Madeleine no harm.

On the other hand if evidence points to a predator meaning to harm her, we will sadly will have to conclude that she is no longer alive. This will of course be dreadful news for her parents, but it will draw a line and enable them to move on.

He at no time stated anything about establsihing what happened to her after her abduction, where she was taken after her abduction, who her abductor was and why her abductor took her.
He stated simply " establishing what happened to Madeleine McCann". She could be alive or dead.
This includes abduction ,followed or not followed by murder.
Madeleine being alive after an arranged " abduction" by persons known to her parents who for whatever reason are looking after the child who is known to be safe and well, and the entire story is a hoax for financial gain.
Madeleine McCann either had a fatal accident or was deliberately killed and the alleged abduction was a cover for what had happened.
He never referred once to the McCanns by their first names, unlike tv and radio interviewers who always do so. He acted professionally.

In his Daybreak interview, he never spoke about the review team having anything to do with the release of the age progressed photo, although it was stated to be the case by the interviewer :

It’s a critically important stage for us, if you look at the image, you will see that it has great resemblance to a school photograph, this is the sort of image that every parent proudly presents – on their, on their dining room um you know, you know, your dining room table This image has been carefully prepared by a United Kingdom forensic specialist in human identification and…and art and - close collaboration with Mr and Mrs McCann who agree that this is a close - close resemblance to their, to their daughter - and my appeal to the public today is clear - look at the image carefully please -

he gets tied up in knots here......not surprising as he has mentioned a dining table as being the usual place to display this type of photograph. I have never seen any photographs on a dining table, but plenty on window sills, sideboards and display cabinets.
Did the Met commission this image? Surely not, if they were giving equal weight to Madeleine being alive as being dead, this would have been released as soon as the review began, to aid the search. He did not say " this image was prepared for us/ the review team .." The news media have stated as a fact that is the case. Redwood did not make any allusion to having commissioned this image, also did not deny or confirm the assumptions made by the media.


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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by Cristobell on 27.08.12 13:54

I wonder if SY have reached a conclusion that is unsatisfactory to the politicians and fawning celebrities who have supported the abduction theory throughout? They may possibly have reached an impasse and their investigation may now have to concentrate on the night of May 3rd and the individuals involved. Lack of money to continue is as good an excuse as any, to shelve their findings before going down that road. In these times of austerity, the public are unlikely to cry out for further investment in what appears to be a hopeless case.

I wonder if the McCanns will now revert to their Petition for a review and the 100,000 signatures they were expecting, in order to prevent the Review from closing? Now surely, is the time for them to demand answers? The review has failed to find in its objective, to discover what has happened to Maddie, and it has also failed to clear the McCanns of any involvement.

Meanwhile, I believe, the Portuguese review continues, hopefully without interference from politicians and media magnates. The Portuguese have been insulted by this case, on so many levels. The campaign to blame the police and criticise the locals began on the night the child vanished. 'No-one is helping us' was TM's mantra, despite the fact that extra police were drafted in and local people were out in force, searching every inch of the area and turning every stone to find the lost child.

What are the chances that the Portuguese will shrink away from publishing their findings?

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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by Cristobell on 27.08.12 14:02

@russiandoll wrote: a reminder of A Redwood on Panorama :

“We are here in terms of seeking to bring closure to the case. That would be the ultimate objective and is our ultimate objective.”

Richard Bilton: “What does that mean?”

DCI Redwood: “Well closure means establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann.”

RB: “Solving it?”

DCI Redwood: “Yes, solving it, of course.”

imo Redwood was between a rock and a hard place in this interview. In this interwiew as well as on his Daybreak interview he chose not to elaborate and only did so when pushed and then when asked straight if he thought Madeleine was alive he tied himself up in knots, unable to answer coherently why he has said yes. To have said no would have meant another question......."what has made you conclude that she is not alive? "
He states the obvious, which sounds ridiculous....she could be alive or sadly dead. These 2 states could be a result of various scenarios, including or excluding abduction as alleged by the parents.

Closure then means solving the case, establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann..
To RB's "solving it ?", he does not reply with any of the following ,replies he could have made, had he been accepting the McCann story :

We need to discover who abducted Madeleine McCann. There is a chance she is alive and being cared for as part of a family. The person witnessed by the McCann's friend, who we believe is the abductor, might have meant Madeleine no harm.

On the other hand if evidence points to a predator meaning to harm her, we will sadly will have to conclude that she is no longer alive. This will of course be dreadful news for her parents, but it will draw a line and enable them to move on.

He at no time stated anything about establsihing what happened to her after her abduction, where she was taken after her abduction, who her abductor was and why her abductor took her.
He stated simply " establishing what happened to Madeleine McCann". She could be alive or dead.
This includes abduction ,followed or not followed by murder.
Madeleine being alive after an arranged " abduction" by persons known to her parents who for whatever reason are looking after the child who is known to be safe and well, and the entire story is a hoax for financial gain.
Madeleine McCann either had a fatal accident or was deliberately killed and the alleged abduction was a cover for what had happened.
He never referred once to the McCanns by their first names, unlike tv and radio interviewers who always do so. He acted professionally.

In his Daybreak interview, he never spoke about the review team having anything to do with the release of the age progressed photo, although it was stated to be the case by the interviewer :

It’s a critically important stage for us, if you look at the image, you will see that it has great resemblance to a school photograph, this is the sort of image that every parent proudly presents – on their, on their dining room um you know, you know, your dining room table This image has been carefully prepared by a United Kingdom forensic specialist in human identification and…and art and - close collaboration with Mr and Mrs McCann who agree that this is a close - close resemblance to their, to their daughter - and my appeal to the public today is clear - look at the image carefully please -

he gets tied up in knots here......not surprising as he has mentioned a dining table as being the usual place to display this type of photograph. I have never seen any photographs on a dining table, but plenty on window sills, sideboards and display cabinets.
Did the Met commission this image? Surely not, if they were giving equal weight to Madeleine being alive as being dead, this would have been released as soon as the review began, to aid the search. He did not say " this image was prepared for us/ the review team .." The news media have stated as a fact that is the case. Redwood did not make any allusion to having commissioned this image, also did not deny or confirm the assumptions made by the media.




Its doubtful Redwood will come out of this with much credibility. Almost £3m for the most asinine police statement in history. Madeleine is alive or dead.

These near retirement police officers, will end their careers with failure writ large on their lifetime's work. I almost pity them.

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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by ShuBob on 27.08.12 14:11

Assuming the review concludes that Maddie was abducted, that may be good news for the McCanns in UK courts but where does it leave them in their case against Amaral or others like him who mention the case unfavourably in books and other media? I doubt Redwood will testify as one of their prosecution witnesses or allow one of his officers to do so (cf. Jose de Freitas).

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Post by pauline on 27.08.12 14:22

@ShuBob wrote:Assuming the review concludes that Maddie was abducted, that may be good news for the McCanns in UK courts but where does it leave them in their case against Amaral or others like him who mention the case unfavourably in books and other media? I doubt Redwood will testify as one of their prosecution witnesses or allow one of his officers to do so (cf. Jose de Freitas).

I doubt if the review will conclude that Maddie was abducted because they would have to make a case for that based on the evidence (and there isn't any evidence of an abduction).

Perhaps the review finale will be like Redwood's comment that she could be alive or dead - there may have been an abduction, but then again there may not have been; it is all really a mystery (to use use a very bad word!).
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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by ShuBob on 27.08.12 14:29

@pauline wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:Assuming the review concludes that Maddie was abducted, that may be good news for the McCanns in UK courts but where does it leave them in their case against Amaral or others like him who mention the case unfavourably in books and other media? I doubt Redwood will testify as one of their prosecution witnesses or allow one of his officers to do so (cf. Jose de Freitas).

I doubt if the review will conclude that Maddie was abducted because they would have to make a case for that based on the evidence (and there isn't any evidence of an abduction).

Perhaps the review finale will be like Redwood's comment that she could be alive or dead - there may have been an abduction, but then again there may not have been; it is all really a mystery (to use use a very bad word!).

Indeed but what if? I never expected Redwood to come out and make the comments he made but he did without challenge. So what if they conclude Maddie was abducted? What good will that be to the McCanns except perhaps in the UK courts?

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.08.12 17:48

@russiandoll wrote: a reminder of A Redwood on Panorama :

“We are here in terms of seeking to bring closure to the case. That would be the ultimate objective and is our ultimate objective.”

Richard Bilton: “What does that mean?”

DCI Redwood: “Well closure means establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann.”

RB: “Solving it?”

DCI Redwood: “Yes, solving it, of course.”

imo Redwood was between a rock and a hard place in this interview. In this interwiew as well as on his Daybreak interview he chose not to elaborate and only did so when pushed and then when asked straight if he thought Madeleine was alive he tied himself up in knots, unable to answer coherently why he has said yes. To have said no would have meant another question......."what has made you conclude that she is not alive? "
He states the obvious, which sounds ridiculous....she could be alive or sadly dead. These 2 states could be a result of various scenarios, including or excluding abduction as alleged by the parents.

Closure then means solving the case, establishing what has happened to Madeleine McCann..
To RB's "solving it ?", he does not reply with any of the following ,replies he could have made, had he been accepting the McCann story :

We need to discover who abducted Madeleine McCann. There is a chance she is alive and being cared for as part of a family. The person witnessed by the McCann's friend, who we believe is the abductor, might have meant Madeleine no harm.

On the other hand if evidence points to a predator meaning to harm her, we will sadly will have to conclude that she is no longer alive. This will of course be dreadful news for her parents, but it will draw a line and enable them to move on.

He at no time stated anything about establsihing what happened to her after her abduction, where she was taken after her abduction, who her abductor was and why her abductor took her.
He stated simply " establishing what happened to Madeleine McCann". She could be alive or dead.
This includes abduction ,followed or not followed by murder.
Madeleine being alive after an arranged " abduction" by persons known to her parents who for whatever reason are looking after the child who is known to be safe and well, and the entire story is a hoax for financial gain.
Madeleine McCann either had a fatal accident or was deliberately killed and the alleged abduction was a cover for what had happened.
He never referred once to the McCanns by their first names, unlike tv and radio interviewers who always do so. He acted professionally.

In his Daybreak interview, he never spoke about the review team having anything to do with the release of the age progressed photo, although it was stated to be the case by the interviewer :

It’s a critically important stage for us, if you look at the image, you will see that it has great resemblance to a school photograph, this is the sort of image that every parent proudly presents – on their, on their dining room um you know, you know, your dining room table This image has been carefully prepared by a United Kingdom forensic specialist in human identification and…and art and - close collaboration with Mr and Mrs McCann who agree that this is a close - close resemblance to their, to their daughter - and my appeal to the public today is clear - look at the image carefully please -

he gets tied up in knots here......not surprising as he has mentioned a dining table as being the usual place to display this type of photograph. I have never seen any photographs on a dining table, but plenty on window sills, sideboards and display cabinets.
Did the Met commission this image? Surely not, if they were giving equal weight to Madeleine being alive as being dead, this would have been released as soon as the review began, to aid the search. He did not say " this image was prepared for us/ the review team .." The news media have stated as a fact that is the case. Redwood did not make any allusion to having commissioned this image, also did not deny or confirm the assumptions made by the media.


Redwood was in a very difficult position is evidenced by his ambiguous reply to questions.
So he didn't allude to the Yard having commissioned the image, and maybe it wasn't the Yard who told the media about 196 significant unexplored leads, but neither is there a plausible reason for his premature proclamation.

Did he do it of his own accord or under pressure? If so, from who? Whose line was he toeing?

As if the banal proclamation wasn't enough he even followed that up by subjecting himself to studio sofa sit in interview.
Was it just for satisfaction of a few minutes glory of being honored to head the mccanns' review or something else?

If the Review team has reached an impasse then the mccanns' claim of bungling foreign coppers isn't going to hold water, and there will be red faces all over.

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Post by Cristobell on 27.08.12 18:03

It will be interesting to see if the McCanns campaign to keep the review open.

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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by PeterMac on 27.08.12 18:53

My guess is that they will let it close, and then come out with the "poor us, send us yer munney" line.

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Post by Guest on 27.08.12 19:14

Yes, I have a horrible image of the saintly pair putting on a show which would bring tears to the eyes of a statue.

Please, please help us to top up our pension fund - no, sorry, to keep looking for our daughter. We hate to ask but we're desperate.
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Post by tigger on 27.08.12 19:51

Jean wrote:Yes, I have a horrible image of the saintly pair putting on a show which would bring tears to the eyes of a statue.

Please, please help us to top up our pension fund - no, sorry, to keep looking for our daughter. We hate to ask but we're desperate.

That won't wash with the general public imo. They've had so much money thrown at them and judging by the fact that comments were not allowed on the latest news item about the millions that have already been spent, it's not likely that it will come rolling in. The last few times I checked the comments a lot were negative. Not so many bleeding hearts.

The mcCanns are going to have to face it, they're boring.


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Re: Met chief calls for decision on funding of Madeleine McCann review

Post by Angelique on 27.08.12 22:41

@ShuBob wrote:

Indeed but what if? I never expected Redwood to come out and make the comments he made but he did without challenge. So what if they conclude Maddie was abducted? What good will that be to the McCanns except perhaps in the UK courts?

Indeed ! What if this is the reason why CR have allowed time to run on regardingTB?

Were they waiting for someone to be in the right place, perhaps moved into place, or perhaps were not "where they should be" to enable events to run to allow for the Review to conclude with a favourable result?

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Post by roy rovers on 27.08.12 23:18

A tragic piece in the Daily Mail today about Ruth Ellis - the last woman to be hung in the UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2193353/Ruth-Ellis-death-penalty-Callous-blinded-lust-men-killed-woman-hanged-Britain.html

Look at how keen the police were to secure a conviction. Conviction = success = promotion.

So why in the Mccann case would the police not wish to secure a conviction? Political pressure ? Masonic links? Not on the whole review team surely? No - they are nearing the end of the review where a political / DPP decision has to be taken. Can we realistically convict? Probably not so kick it into the long grass for the moment.

There is no conspracy IMO at the Met. Just the knowledge that without a body, confession etc etc
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