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Post by Guest on 05.08.12 19:13

I have just seen this explanation twitter, now we know why there was no DNA of the abductor in the apartment............ the theory being the abductor was never in the apartment, he just opened the window, Madeleine went to have a look, and he snatched her from there without going in



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#McCann I think the stranger abductor opened the window from the outside, Madeleine went to see, and he caught her.






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Post by Nina on 05.08.12 19:18

candyfloss wrote:I have just seen this explanation twitter, now we know why there was no DNA of the abductor in the apartment............ the theory being the abductor was never in the apartment, he just opened the window, Madeleine went to have a look, and he snatched her from there without going in



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#Madeleine #McCann abducted by stranger, who may not have entered apartment 5A. New posts search "Espacio Exterior Abduction Madeleine".



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#McCann I think the stranger abductor opened the window from the outside, Madeleine went to see, and he caught her.







Sadly I think the writer of this codswallop may believe it as a theory tease

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Post by tuom on 05.08.12 19:29

@Nina wrote:
candyfloss wrote:I have just seen this explanation twitter, now we know why there was no DNA of the abductor in the apartment............ the theory being the abductor was never in the apartment, he just opened the window, Madeleine went to have a look, and he snatched her from there without going in



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#Madeleine #McCann abducted by stranger, who may not have entered apartment 5A. New posts search "Espacio Exterior Abduction Madeleine".



H****** [email=J******‏@J*****G]J******‏@J*****G[/email]******

#McCann I think the stranger abductor opened the window from the outside, Madeleine went to see, and he caught her.




Sadly I think the writer of this codswallop may believe it as a theory



Wow!! That is way too complicated , that must be why I never thought of that before
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Post by sharonl on 05.08.12 21:43

Ah Yes of course, that explains everything.

thinking Well, almost everything

Did this abductor have very long arms? Somehow, without entering the apartment, he managed to drug the twins and place cuddlecat on a non-existent high shelf.

Why did Madeleine go so quietly, allowing this stranger to carry her as if she was sleeping?

I wonder how long it will be before the Sun Newspaper reports this one


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Post by tigger on 05.08.12 21:45

I have a better idea: the abductor was dressed in a wetsuit complete with snorkel. Was there a smell of neoprene? flag

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Post by Guest on 05.08.12 21:47

@tigger wrote:I have a better idea: the abductor was dressed in a wetsuit complete with snorkel. Was there a smell of neoprene? flag
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Post by Guest on 05.08.12 21:47

Yes, it does sharonl. So easy, why didn't we think of it before..........only didn't GM say he felt as if the abductor was hiding in the apartment when he did his check? Oh dear
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Post by Guest on 05.08.12 21:48

candyfloss wrote:Yes, it does sharonl. So easy, why didn't we think of it before..........only didn't GM say he felt as if the abductor was hiding in the apartment when he did his check? Oh dear
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Post by Invinoveritas on 05.08.12 21:59

[quote="tigger"]I have a better idea: the abductor was dressed in a wetsuit complete with snorkel. Was there a smell of neoprene? [/quote

Rubbish Tigger, he used a Meccano set and built a crane, this explains why there was no DNA in the bedroom

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Post by tigger on 05.08.12 22:16

[quote="Invinoveritas"]
@tigger wrote:I have a better idea: the abductor was dressed in a wetsuit complete with snorkel. Was there a smell of neoprene? [/quote

Rubbish Tigger, he used a Meccano set and built a crane, this explains why there was no DNA in the bedroom

and no footprints on the bed under the window! A cunning plan!

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Post by Invinoveritas on 05.08.12 22:30

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@tigger wrote:I have a better idea: the abductor was dressed in a wetsuit complete with snorkel. Was there a smell of neoprene? [/quote

Rubbish Tigger, he used a Meccano set and built a crane, this explains why there was no DNA in the bedroom

and no footprints on the bed under the window! A cunning plan!

very cunning, he might have been a Hologramm, we should ask Kryten.

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Post by Spaniel on 05.08.12 23:25

I welcome all new theories no matter how wild. I'm interested in any thoughts whether in the box or sideways.

I feel confident that Madeleine's parents will feel the same. We are after all seaching for her, them included.

What I like about new thoughts from whatever source, is no matter how outlandish it is, it set's off new ideas.

So, Rebelo tried exiting with a bundle through the window. Did the PJ ever send swabs of the window frame/ sill for fibres? Had they done so, the pantomime of leaving via the window with an almost four year old bundle would not have been necessary.

These were preliminary checks not involving the UK.

So as daft as the twit is, I am now wondering if a proper inspection of the window ever took place.
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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 05.08.12 23:52

@Spaniel wrote:We are after all seaching for her, them included.

I'm not Spaniel - for a very good reason. If you don't know what that is, ask the dogs. high5
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Post by jd on 06.08.12 1:56

candyfloss wrote:I have just seen this explanation twitter, now we know why there was no DNA of the abductor in the apartment............ the theory being the abductor was never in the apartment, he just opened the window, Madeleine went to have a look, and he snatched her from there without going in

I am not on twitter, but could someone who is, tweet back.....How do they explain the fact (according to the mccanns words) that the twins were drugged by the abductor??? How is this humanely possible if they did not enter the room???? This is what the Paynes and Webster are stating in their RI's that the twins were drugged by the abductor. This is what the mccanns have been stating too that the twins were drugged by the abductor

If we are to believe the jane tanner sighting.. when this abductor was outside the window....so was gerry mccan and jez wilkins!!! Right outside the window chatting just a few yards away, how come neither of them saw this abductor waiting at the window? Not to mention the 'noise' in jemmying the shutters and trying to keep them 'up'. And jane tanner was at the top of the road to witness her sighting...why didn't she see anything? except for robert murat

Not to mention from their statements (their own words) that Maddie would never listen to a stranger!!!!

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Post by jd on 06.08.12 2:00

@Spaniel wrote:I welcome all new theories no matter how wild. I'm interested in any thoughts whether in the box or sideways.

I feel confident that Madeleine's parents will feel the same. We are after all seaching for her, them included.

What I like about new thoughts from whatever source, is no matter how outlandish it is, it set's off new ideas.

So, Rebelo tried exiting with a bundle through the window. Did the PJ ever send swabs of the window frame/ sill for fibres? Had they done so, the pantomime of leaving via the window with an almost four year old bundle would not have been necessary.

These were preliminary checks not involving the UK.

So as daft as the twit is, I am now wondering if a proper inspection of the window ever took place.



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Post by jd on 06.08.12 2:13

Dianne Webster RI...11th April 2008

"I remember I went through into the room where err where Madeleine was sleeping and err and she said you know, somebody, you know, she’s been taken because she said that the shutters and that had been open, the window open. Err the twins were still asleep in the cot and I, with all the noise going on I don’t know how they slept through it which makes me think there was, they must have been err drugged with something."
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Post by jd on 06.08.12 2:16

Dianne Webster Statement....11th May 2007

"She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the
window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.
- However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed"
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Post by tigger on 06.08.12 7:38

@jd wrote:Dianne Webster Statement....11th May 2007

"She added that she did not remember too much detail about the scenario that she found in that bedroom, other that what she said above. However, she states that KATE had repeatedly commented that, on arriving at the bedroom, she had found the
window of the room, with its shutter, both open. Yet, she [DW] did not notice, while at the entrance to the room, if the window was or was not open.
- However, she wants to stress that immediately afterwards, she went outside the apartment in order to ascertain whether she would be able to raise the shutters by hand from the outside, and found it was impossible for her. Consequently she infers that at the time of her arrival at the apartment the window would have been closed"

No Christmas card from the McCanns for her then!

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Post by tigger on 06.08.12 7:42

@Spaniel wrote:I welcome all new theories no matter how wild. I'm interested in any thoughts whether in the box or sideways.

I feel confident that Madeleine's parents will feel the same. We are after all seaching for her, them included.

What I like about new thoughts from whatever source, is no matter how outlandish it is, it set's off new ideas.

So, Rebelo tried exiting with a bundle through the window. Did the PJ ever send swabs of the window frame/ sill for fibres? Had they done so, the pantomime of leaving via the window with an almost four year old bundle would not have been necessary.

These were preliminary checks not involving the UK.

So as daft as the twit is, I am now wondering if a proper inspection of the window ever took place.

Is Rebello the 'twit'? I hope you didn't mean that but it's implied.
The window was very thoroughly examined, how else would they have found Kate's fingerprints? The shutters too were dusted for prints and no doubt for other evidence. Since the PJ reports fibres in the boot of the car that correspond to fibres found in the barn, I'm fully confident that this is a police force whose forensic expertise is more than equal to that of the UK.

Preliminary checks not involving the UK? What do you mean? The only forensics done by the UK were the DNA samples. The LP was there to liaise with the PJ, not to help them point out how to run an investigation.
The PJ report on the forensic examination of the whole of 5a is available online, they took hundreds of samples.
Paulo Rebelo is a senior criminal investigation co-ordinator at national police headquarters in Lisbon.


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Post by Guest on 06.08.12 8:18

I certainly took Spaniel to mean that the twit is whoever posted the theory on Twitter.

The theory is as sensible as most of Team McCann's statements!
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Post by tigger on 06.08.12 8:58

Jean wrote:I certainly took Spaniel to mean that the twit is whoever posted the theory on Twitter.

The theory is as sensible as most of Team McCann's statements!

The tweet was about not entering the apartment - I can't find a post about Rebello trying to leave via the window with a bundle, that information may be elsewhere but there is no reference.
However, it seems sensible to do at least the one re-enactment that has no need of the McCanns or their friends. Not finding fibres on the window frame in addition to proving by re-enactment that the abduction is impossible by this method would be the logical path to follow for the police.
So having done the forensics, testing the theory empirically is the mark of a thorough investigation imo.

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Top officer Paulo Rebelo checks the window before officers try to climb through the gap

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/73485-maddie-officers-reconstruct-bedroom-snatch#ixzz22keEC3eR





Correio da Manha - 30 October 2007

Paulo Rebelo was yesterday for the first time at the apartment where Madeleine disappeared from, in Praia da Luz. The new coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) of Portimao led a team of six investigators who, throughout the afternoon, tested several scenarios and even made a possible reconstruction of what happened on the evening of May 3, in the apartment no. 5A of the Ocean Club.

In the company of the team members that he brought in from Lisbon - composed of two homicide inspectors, one from sexual abuse, another that is experienced in robberies and two specialists in technical analysis - Paulo Rebelo tried to find details and loose ends that may open new leads or confirm the existing ones.

The investigators entered the apartment around 3 p.m. and soon after opened the shutters of the window to the room where Madeleine was sleeping with her siblings on the night she disappeared. Next, they passed a blue blanket through the window, folded like it was covering a child's body.

Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation. Moments later, the team turned their attention on the rest of the house, and on the veranda and the garden that is located on the back side of the apartment. Here, the inspectors analysed the height of the bushes and the firmness of the balcony, as the leader of the investigation entered and left the apartment several times. One of the inspectors brought a drum into the house, containing a liquid that was not possible to identify.

Halfway through the afternoon, Paulo Rebelo crossed the street into the direction of the area that gives access to Robert Murat's house, as if he were evaluating the distance between the villa and the apartment. When Correio da Manha asked him what the purpose of that diligence was, he just replied he "was working".

It was 5.45 p.m. when the team left the Ocean Club: Rebelo and one inspector then walked into the direction of the Praia da Luz belvedere - walking past the church - where they stood in observation for approximately five minutes. But they did not walk the fastest path, choosing instead to walk down several pedestrian streets of the village.

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Post by sharonl on 06.08.12 20:42

@jd wrote:
I am not on twitter, but could someone who is, tweet back.....How do they explain the fact (according to the mccanns words) that the twins were drugged by the abductor??? How is this humanely possible if they did not enter the room???? This is what the Paynes and Webster are stating in their RI's that the twins were drugged by the abductor. This is what the mccanns have been stating too that the twins were drugged by the abductor

If we are to believe the jane tanner sighting.. when this abductor was outside the window....so was gerry mccan and jez wilkins!!! Right outside the window chatting just a few yards away, how come neither of them saw this abductor waiting at the window? Not to mention the 'noise' in jemmying the shutters and trying to keep them 'up'. And jane tanner was at the top of the road to witness her sighting...why didn't she see anything? except for robert murat

Not to mention from their statements (their own words) that Maddie would never listen to a stranger!!!!

I just tried to answer with your suggested comment but It seems that the tweet came from Dodgy Paula whose account has since been suspended

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Post by jd on 06.08.12 21:12

@sharonl wrote: I just tried to answer with your suggested comment but It seems that the tweet came from Dodgy Paula whose account has since been suspended

Thanks Sharon. There's a surprise the account is now suspended!! Has to be one of the most ridiculous theories so far
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Post by Guest on 06.08.12 21:14

It didn't actually come from that person, it is the one in my opening post the one the writes the foreign blog I think, got a foreign name on twitter.
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